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  1. I thought I'd write up the story of Claude's knee. Especially for any of
    you that may end up having to have this done also. My husband Claude has
    been my running companion for years now. But he's almost always had
    small, nagging knee pains. He went to the podiatrist, who found that his
    leg bones are a bit misaligned and got custom orthotics. That helped,
    but the pain wasn't completely gone.

    A couple of years ago, he tripped on the Thanksgiving CC Classic and
    hurt his ankle and knee. The ankle was worse, but healed. The knee
    quit hurting as much but never quite was the same. But he was still
    able to run, up to half-marathons. And then, this last April, while
    we were in Germany he slipped going down a steep, muddy hill. His
    knee hurt quite a bit then, but did get better over time. However,
    after this incident there was a "clunking" on the the inside, and
    you could feel a lump of something. But still, he was able to run
    fairly well with only occaisional pain. Until a few weeks ago.....

    He was working, and tripped going up the stairs to the cafeteria. It
    wasn't much more than a toe snag, but he torqued the knee outward.
    From then on, the knee was acutely painful. I suggested that he call
    the sports med clinic, and he did. They saw him pretty quickly. The
    doctor manipulated the knee, and thought he probably tore the lateral
    meniscus. But first it had to be verified by MRI. That, of course, took
    another week to schedule, then a few more days to get the results
    and the consultation. It was a torn meniscus. So surgery was scheduled
    for the following week.

    We had to be there at 6AM for the surgery, Claude without having eaten
    or drank for 12 hours. I tried not to eat anything or complain until
    he was in for surgery (though I was starving). They of course shaved
    the knee area, and marked a large "X" on it. Both the doctor and the
    anesthesiologist came out and talked to us. Then they took him away.
    I ofcourse raided the hospital kitchen. It was only half an hour later
    that the doctor came out to say he was done with the surgery, and
    had brought the pictures he took through the arthroscope. He'd trimmed
    back 3mm of torn out meniscus. But the really great news was that the
    surfaces of Claude's bones looked super, absolutely smooth yet without
    any signs of arthritis. And the ligaments also all looked excellent.
    Claude came out of the anesthesia about a half hour later, and we were
    able to leave to go home a while after that. He was able to walk on it
    immediately. The bandaging was incredible, all the way from his groin
    to his ankle!

    Tomorrow will be one week. The bandages all came off last Friday,
    revealing just two small slits where the arthroscope went in. The area
    has some discoloration and swelling. But Claude has been walking on
    it, and said it's the first time in years he's been able to go up and
    down stairs without pain. The followup appt was yesterday, and the doc
    wants him to do as much walking, biking, or swimming as he wants. But
    no running until December. (What, a week away!) After that, slow
    buildup, then basically as much running as he wants, as long as it
    doesn't hurt. Doc thinks it will be fine. And Claude is already
    amazed at how much better it is. Seems there may have been a little
    tear in there for awhile. I'm very thrilled that it looks like he may
    be able to be pain-free!

    Sorry if this rambled a bit, but I'm trying to crank it out rather
    quickly....

    Teresa in AZ

  2. Teresa Bippert-Plymate <[email hidden]> wrote in news:co05ne$8r0$1
    @onion.ccit.arizona.edu:

    Quoted message said:

    I thought I'd write up the story of Claude's knee. Especially for any of
    you that may end up having to have this done also.

    Teresa:

    Thanks for the info on Claude's experience. My general doc has been
    suspicious of my meniscus for several months, but my ortho has found the
    MRIs to be inconclusive and has basically told me to monitor the situation
    and see him if it gets better or worse (in fact, strength and weight
    training have helped considerably, but my knee still gets sore sometimes).
    I've resisted because of the unknowns. This info resolves some of them...

    And good luck to you and Claude.

  3. Wow. I needed that success story, as I undergoing the knife
    in January. (foot surgery)
    Good luck with the continued recovery!

    Leo

    Quoted message said:


    Tomorrow will be one week. The bandages all came off last Friday,
    revealing just two small slits where the arthroscope went in. The area
    has some discoloration and swelling. But Claude has been walking on
    it, and said it's the first time in years he's been able to go up and
    down stairs without pain. The followup appt was yesterday, and the doc
    wants him to do as much walking, biking, or swimming as he wants. But
    no running until December. (What, a week away!) After that, slow
    buildup, then basically as much running as he wants, as long as it
    doesn't hurt. Doc thinks it will be fine. And Claude is already
    amazed at how much better it is. Seems there may have been a little
    tear in there for awhile. I'm very thrilled that it looks like he may
    be able to be pain-free!

    Sorry if this rambled a bit, but I'm trying to crank it out rather
    quickly....

    Teresa in AZ

  4. Teresa Bippert-Plymate <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I thought I'd write up the story of Claude's knee.

    PLEASE spare us? Who cares? Nobody but Clud and the Dr's that'll be
    going to hawaii because of Cluds knee.

  5. Glad the post may have helped. We were given a disc of the MRI shots,
    interesting but really hard to get what's going on. Though the doc could
    see and point out the tear (it was *barely* visible on the MRI), we
    couldn't find it later for the life of us. But it was extremely
    obvious on the arthroscopy pics, especially the second one, after the
    doc had pulled all the loose stuff forward (ick!!). Hope you can also
    get to the root of the problem and find a resolution!!

    Teresa in AZ

    Newsdude said:

    Teresa Bippert-Plymate <[email hidden]> wrote in news:co05ne$8r0$1
    @onion.ccit.arizona.edu:

    Quoted message said:

    I thought I'd write up the story of Claude's knee. Especially for any of
    you that may end up having to have this done also.

    Teresa:

    Thanks for the info on Claude's experience. My general doc has been
    suspicious of my meniscus for several months, but my ortho has found the
    MRIs to be inconclusive and has basically told me to monitor the situation
    and see him if it gets better or worse (in fact, strength and weight
    training have helped considerably, but my knee still gets sore sometimes).
    I've resisted because of the unknowns. This info resolves some of them...

    And good luck to you and Claude.

  6. Best of luck, Leo! I'll be interested in your story, as my problem
    seems to be my feet. (PF probs). Recovery is going great. I think
    I can look forward to having my husband blow my doors off in future
    races! ;-)

    Teresa in AZ

    Leo Reed said:

    Wow. I needed that success story, as I undergoing the knife
    in January. (foot surgery)
    Good luck with the continued recovery!

    Leo

    Quoted message said:


    Tomorrow will be one week. The bandages all came off last Friday,
    revealing just two small slits where the arthroscope went in. The area
    has some discoloration and swelling. But Claude has been walking on
    it, and said it's the first time in years he's been able to go up and
    down stairs without pain. The followup appt was yesterday, and the doc
    wants him to do as much walking, biking, or swimming as he wants. But
    no running until December. (What, a week away!) After that, slow
    buildup, then basically as much running as he wants, as long as it
    doesn't hurt. Doc thinks it will be fine. And Claude is already
    amazed at how much better it is. Seems there may have been a little
    tear in there for awhile. I'm very thrilled that it looks like he may
    be able to be pain-free!

    Sorry if this rambled a bit, but I'm trying to crank it out rather
    quickly....

    Teresa in AZ

  7. I had surgery on both feet for tumors that were growing in the
    PF. My right foot got horribly infected and scarred badly, in the arch
    area. After 10 plus years of dealing with a huge scar and having to cut
    out pieces of my shoes....I finally found a surgeon who thinks
    he can do a graft.

    The problem is not cosmetic, its the fact that this huge scar rubs
    on the shoe, abrades, bleeds, heals and re-scars.

    I will be on my back for a week, crutches for at least 3 weeks
    and maybe 6. If it works, it will be worth the trouble.

    Check out my home page, pictures to see the scar. The pics
    don t do it justice as it is nearly 3/4 inch thick.

    http://home.insightbb.com/~reed/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

    Teresa Bippert-Plymate said:

    Best of luck, Leo! I'll be interested in your story, as my problem
    seems to be my feet. (PF probs). Recovery is going great. I think
    I can look forward to having my husband blow my doors off in future
    races! ;-)

    Teresa in AZ

    Leo Reed said:

    Wow. I needed that success story, as I undergoing the knife
    in January. (foot surgery)
    Good luck with the continued recovery!

    Leo

    Quoted message said:


    Tomorrow will be one week. The bandages all came off last Friday,
    revealing just two small slits where the arthroscope went in. The area
    has some discoloration and swelling. But Claude has been walking on
    it, and said it's the first time in years he's been able to go up and
    down stairs without pain. The followup appt was yesterday, and the doc
    wants him to do as much walking, biking, or swimming as he wants. But
    no running until December. (What, a week away!) After that, slow
    buildup, then basically as much running as he wants, as long as it
    doesn't hurt. Doc thinks it will be fine. And Claude is already
    amazed at how much better it is. Seems there may have been a little
    tear in there for awhile. I'm very thrilled that it looks like he may
    be able to be pain-free!

    Sorry if this rambled a bit, but I'm trying to crank it out rather
    quickly....

    Teresa in AZ


  8. Glad to hear that he is doing fine and is actually better than before.

    Quoted message said:

    ... The bandages all came off last Friday, revealing just two
    small slits where the arthroscope went in. The area has some
    discoloration and swelling...

    Those discolored marks will eventually fade. I had a knee surgery done
    around 7 years ago. Lately, I discover that they are barely visible
    now.

    One question though:
    Seem like he has a tendency to trip and fall. What is going on? I
    am wondering if the muscles around his knee is not strong enough to
    stablize the knee. I am just guessing here; but I still feel that he
    trips and falls too often; something is not right. Note I am not
    trying to make fun of him.

    Jay Chan

  9. Holy Cow! I can see that looks like it might cause some problems.

    Best of luck with the surgery, if he can fix it you'll be soooo
    much happier, I'm sure!

    Teresa in AZ

    Leo Reed said:

    I had surgery on both feet for tumors that were growing in the
    PF. My right foot got horribly infected and scarred badly, in the arch
    area. After 10 plus years of dealing with a huge scar and having to cut
    out pieces of my shoes....I finally found a surgeon who thinks
    he can do a graft.

    The problem is not cosmetic, its the fact that this huge scar rubs
    on the shoe, abrades, bleeds, heals and re-scars.

    I will be on my back for a week, crutches for at least 3 weeks
    and maybe 6. If it works, it will be worth the trouble.

    Check out my home page, pictures to see the scar. The pics
    don t do it justice as it is nearly 3/4 inch thick.

    http://home.insightbb.com/~reed/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

    Teresa Bippert-Plymate said:

    Best of luck, Leo! I'll be interested in your story, as my problem
    seems to be my feet. (PF probs). Recovery is going great. I think
    I can look forward to having my husband blow my doors off in future
    races! ;-)

    Teresa in AZ

    Leo Reed said:

    Wow. I needed that success story, as I undergoing the knife
    in January. (foot surgery)
    Good luck with the continued recovery!

    Leo

    >
    > Tomorrow will be one week. The bandages all came off last Friday,
    > revealing just two small slits where the arthroscope went in. The area
    > has some discoloration and swelling. But Claude has been walking on
    > it, and said it's the first time in years he's been able to go up and
    > down stairs without pain. The followup appt was yesterday, and the doc
    > wants him to do as much walking, biking, or swimming as he wants. But
    > no running until December. (What, a week away!) After that, slow
    > buildup, then basically as much running as he wants, as long as it
    > doesn't hurt. Doc thinks it will be fine. And Claude is already
    > amazed at how much better it is. Seems there may have been a little
    > tear in there for awhile. I'm very thrilled that it looks like he may
    > be able to be pain-free!
    >
    > Sorry if this rambled a bit, but I'm trying to crank it out rather
    > quickly....
    >
    > Teresa in AZ
    >


  10. Well, er, he does seem to trip a bit. He is a very tall guy with largish
    feet. Mostly, though, it seems his proprioception (sp?) isn't so good.
    He doesn't always seem to place his feet well while running. He does
    bicycle and lift weights, including leg weights (we have a machine).
    Though lately he hasn't been cycling much due to the knee. I expect
    we'll be cycling again much more after the rehab is over. He did run
    with a patellar strap for a long time, but then found it really didn't
    help much. So I don't really know about that. But is is supposed to
    see some PTs, so hopefully they'll be able to check it out and give
    him exercises if he needs it. And I'll mention it to him to ask them
    about it....

    Teresa in AZ

    Jay Chan said:

    Glad to hear that he is doing fine and is actually better than before.

    Quoted message said:

    ... The bandages all came off last Friday, revealing just two
    small slits where the arthroscope went in. The area has some
    discoloration and swelling...

    Those discolored marks will eventually fade. I had a knee surgery done
    around 7 years ago. Lately, I discover that they are barely visible
    now.

    One question though:
    Seem like he has a tendency to trip and fall. What is going on? I
    am wondering if the muscles around his knee is not strong enough to
    stablize the knee. I am just guessing here; but I still feel that he
    trips and falls too often; something is not right. Note I am not
    trying to make fun of him.

    Jay Chan

  11. Teresa Bippert-Plymate said:

    I thought I'd write up the story of Claude's knee.

    ....

    Quoted message said:

    But Claude has been walking on
    it, and said it's the first time in years he's been able to go up and
    down stairs without pain.

    .....

    Seems there may have been a little

    Quoted message said:

    tear in there for awhile. I'm very thrilled that it looks like he may
    be able to be pain-free!

    Sorry if this rambled a bit, but I'm trying to crank it out rather
    quickly....

    Teresa, This is really good news! It's nice to see some success
    stories in these situations. Bet I know what you'll be thankful for
    tomorrow 😉

    And tomorrow's the pumpkin pie race, right? (although I think you refer
    to it as a cross-country race 😉 Good luck!

    Dot

    --
    "The eagle, who believed he was a chicken, wasn't. However, until he
    discovered what he was, he was limited to live as one."
    -Unknown but quoted from Lisa Butler on ultra list

  12. "Teresa Bippert-Plymate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The followup appt was yesterday, and the doc
    wants him to do as much walking, biking, or swimming as he wants. But
    no running until December. (What, a week away!) After that, slow
    buildup, then basically as much running as he wants, as long as it
    doesn't hurt. Doc thinks it will be fine.

    Sorry to be blunt, but the Doc is out of his mind if he recommended running
    in a week or so. Take it from people who have been through this and other
    scopes, Claude needs to build up the muscle mass around the knee to help
    stabilize it and to take some of the not only running but also everyday
    impact off the meniscus. It's fairly evident he didn't have sufficient
    strength before the surgery. It's really that simple. When a healthy active
    person tears a meniscus it is generally because the knee lacked sufficient
    strength to protect the cartilage in the first place. If he doesn't spend
    the necessary time building strength around the knee the likelihood off
    returning for scopes in the future is greatly increased. I'll bet you that
    one week after his surgery his quad is at least 1/2 less in circumference,
    his calf 1/4" or more and the musculature around the knee itself
    significantly reduced. I'd also bet the opposing leg is tighter and will
    develop aches and pains he never had in that leg before. And frankly, it
    will only get worse the more activity the unbalanced strength of the two
    legs is subjected to.

    I wish him the best, but I know his Doc's recommendations are not in the
    best interests of an active runner.

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