Vitamin supplement

Bear wrote:
|| I need to buy more vitamins and wonder if anyone uses or has an
|| opinion on the vitamins that claim to be for lc'ers. Any help
|| appreciated.

Nonsense.

Ignoramus4238 wrote:
|| On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:29:57 -0800, Bear
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
||| I need to buy more vitamins and wonder if anyone uses or has an
||| opinion on the vitamins that claim to be for lc'ers. Any help
||| appreciated.
|||
||
|| I think that we can easily get all "vitamins" from food... if we eat
|| real food.

But the question is do we. Merely eating "real food" is no guarantee of
getting all vitamins.

Bear said:

I need to buy more vitamins and wonder if anyone uses or has an opinion on
the vitamins that claim to be for lc'ers. Any help appreciated.

my opinion is that there's a sucker born every minute. "special"
vitamins for low carbers are an invention of marketing, and there is no
reason to spend the extra money.

Thanks folks.
--
Bear-
Grrrrrrrrrrrr :o)
353/283/210

Ignoramus4238 wrote:
|| On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:37:06 -0500, Roger Zoul
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
||| Ignoramus4238 wrote:
||||| On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:29:57 -0800, Bear
||||| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|||||| I need to buy more vitamins and wonder if anyone uses or has an
|||||| opinion on the vitamins that claim to be for lc'ers. Any help
|||||| appreciated.
||||||
|||||
||||| I think that we can easily get all "vitamins" from food... if we
||||| eat
||||| real food.
|||
||| But the question is do we. Merely eating "real food" is no
||| guarantee of getting all vitamins.
||
|| I eat very simply, mostly meat, eggs, nuts and vegs. I checked my
|| vitamin intake in fitday and was meeting or close to RDA on pretty
|| much everything. I am not making any effort to get vitamins etc.
||
|| I tried to read about vitamins etc, and found no evidence that a
|| person who eats meat and vegs would be deficient in anything.

Okay. However, my comment is a general one that was not meant to address
what you do. The fact is some may eat "real foods" and still not get all of
the RDA amounts, asssuming those are sufficient (and we know these
recommendations can be way off).

The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
|| Bear <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| I need to buy more vitamins and wonder if anyone uses or has an
||| opinion on the vitamins that claim to be for lc'ers. Any help
||| appreciated.
||
|| my opinion is that there's a sucker born every minute. "special"
|| vitamins for low carbers are an invention of marketing, and there is
|| no reason to spend the extra money.

The other day I saw a commerical for one of these LC-specific vits. In this
commerical a normal looking woman was supposely on a LC diet. They depicted
her sitting at a table about to eat. The commentator mentioned how protein
consumption increases on a LC diet. then the showed the lady sitting in from
of a huge steak - one so big that I wouldn't attempt to eat it, even when I
weighed 367 lbs! Oh, and there was nothing else on the plate.

Why anyone would trust such a commerical to decide whether to buy their
vitamin is amazing to me. It is not surprising, however, given that anyone
eating that way on LC is probably clueless about it.

The only differences in supplementation I've heard of are with potassium and
iron. You may want to avoid supplements with iron in them. Potassium can
be checked in blood tests at the doctor's office. You should make sure you
need it, before adding potassium.

I often neglect fruits and vegetables, and I have yet to explore offal, so I
take a bunch of supplements:

Omega 3
CLA
Twinlab Dualtabs (multivitamin & multi-mineral)
Vitamin D
L-Glutamine
Culturelle (probiotic)
Vitamin C (timed release)
Low Carb Isopure (protein powder)
coconut milk
aspirin
glutathione
chromium picolinate

YMMV

Cubit
311/205/165

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Quoted message said:

I need to buy more vitamins and wonder if anyone uses or has an opinion on
the vitamins that claim to be for lc'ers. Any help appreciated.

--
- Bear
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353/283/210

Thanks Dave.
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Quoted message said:

The only differences in supplementation I've heard of are with potassium

and

Quoted message said:

iron. You may want to avoid supplements with iron in them. Potassium

can

Quoted message said:

be checked in blood tests at the doctor's office. You should make sure

you

Quoted message said:

need it, before adding potassium.

I often neglect fruits and vegetables, and I have yet to explore offal, so

I

Quoted message said:

take a bunch of supplements:

Omega 3
CLA
Twinlab Dualtabs (multivitamin & multi-mineral)
Vitamin D
L-Glutamine
Culturelle (probiotic)
Vitamin C (timed release)
Low Carb Isopure (protein powder)
coconut milk
aspirin
glutathione
chromium picolinate

YMMV

Cubit
311/205/165

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I need to buy more vitamins and wonder if anyone uses or has an opinion

on

Quoted message said:

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the vitamins that claim to be for lc'ers. Any help appreciated.

--
- Bear
Grrrrrrrr : o)
353/283/210

Roger Zoul said:

Bear wrote:
|| I need to buy more vitamins and wonder if anyone uses or has an
|| opinion on the vitamins that claim to be for lc'ers. Any help
|| appreciated.

Nonsense.

No, it really would be appreciated, I'm sure.

--
"I went to see my doctor... 'Doctor, every morning when I get up and
look in the mirror...I feel like throwing up. What's wrong with me?'
He said, 'I don't know, but your eyesight is perfect.'"
- Rodney Dangerfield

Tarkus wrote:
|| On 11/24/2004 7:34:20 AM, Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| Bear wrote:
||||| I need to buy more vitamins and wonder if anyone uses or has an
||||| opinion on the vitamins that claim to be for lc'ers. Any help
||||| appreciated.
|||
||| Nonsense.
||
|| No, it really would be appreciated, I'm sure.

🙂

Roger Zoul said:

Ignoramus4238 wrote:
|| On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:37:06 -0500, Roger Zoul
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
||| Ignoramus4238 wrote:
||||| On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:29:57 -0800, Bear
||||| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|||||| I need to buy more vitamins and wonder if anyone uses or has an
|||||| opinion on the vitamins that claim to be for lc'ers. Any help
|||||| appreciated.
||||||
|||||
||||| I think that we can easily get all "vitamins" from food... if we
||||| eat
||||| real food.
|||
||| But the question is do we. Merely eating "real food" is no
||| guarantee of getting all vitamins.
||
|| I eat very simply, mostly meat, eggs, nuts and vegs. I checked my
|| vitamin intake in fitday and was meeting or close to RDA on pretty
|| much everything. I am not making any effort to get vitamins etc.
||
|| I tried to read about vitamins etc, and found no evidence that a
|| person who eats meat and vegs would be deficient in anything.

Okay. However, my comment is a general one that was not meant to address
what you do. The fact is some may eat "real foods" and still not get all of
the RDA amounts, asssuming those are sufficient (and we know these
recommendations can be way off).

There is the common repeated tales that indicate Artic explorers can eat
nothing but rabbits, and unlimited supply, and even though this is "real
food", they will still die from malnutrition.

"Real foods" isn't enough.

Foods containing all the essential nutrients are needed, and they can be
"real foods" because human history says that was possible, before
Kellogs helped make breakfast easier.

It is probably possible to eat nothing but manufactured foods, carefully
selected, and get all of the nutrients too.

It is also probably possible to eat nothing but manufactured foods,
narrowly selected, and lack some or many of the essential nutrients.

"Real Food" means very little by itself. As it actually means almost
nothing because there are so many thousand "real foods".

"When you sell to EVERYBODY, you actually sell to NOBODY." Famous saying
of advertisers to clients who never bother to know their real market.

Jim

Rabbits are 82% protein, which is to say, one may starve for lack of fat.

I don't think they have rabbits in the Artic, but I know what you mean.

One difference in the food of Arctic people is fermentation. I'm not about
to try rotted seal flipper, but the right microbes may produce needed
nutrients.

"jbuch" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

There is the common repeated tales that indicate Artic explorers can eat
nothing but rabbits, and unlimited supply, and even though this is "real
food", they will still die from malnutrition.

All the preceeding messages are fine and dandy wrt vitamins, but what
about calcium?

A diet of meat, veggies and fruits without much dairy will not supply
much calcium. Women need about 1200 mg of elemental calcium per day
for bone protection - not likely to be had on the Atkins diet without
supplementation.

For those who live in northern regions, Vit D is necessary as well in
order to absorb the calcium.

Barry Hardin
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:50:32 GMT, "Bear" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Thanks Dave.

Quoted message said:

The only differences in supplementation I've heard of are with potassium and
iron. You may want to avoid supplements with iron in them. Potassium can
be checked in blood tests at the doctor's office. You should make sure you
need it, before adding potassium.

I buy Costco's "senior" vitamins. No iron, dirt cheap, and the Kirkland Brand
tests well when it comes to having what it should in it. For potassium, I use
lite salt. Those low-carb vitamin commercials [censored] me off too much to buy them.
"We love our low-carb lifestyle, but we know we're not getting everything we
need." Really? And you were when you followed the USDA food-pyramid guideline?
Amazing, since it's not possible. Tyson's chicken has a stupid radio ad on
around here. Talking about how perfect it is for low-carb dieters, since it's
high in protein and low in fat. Because that's all we eat, lots and lots of
protein. And we avoid fat like Susan Powders fans!

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 5'7" 265/159/140
& hubby- 6' 310/188/180
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lcer09/my_photos

Quoted message said:

A diet of meat, veggies and fruits without much dairy will not supply
much calcium. Women need about 1200 mg of elemental calcium per day
for bone protection - not likely to be had on the Atkins diet without
supplementation.

Calcium is abundant in non-dairy foods. Please, by all means post a day's menu
that provides 100% of all RDAs, following the food pyramid. I can following
Atkins induction foods.

LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 5'7" 265/159/140
& hubby- 6' 310/188/180
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lcer09/my_photos

Bear,

I wouldn't spend the extra money to buy the 'low carb' vitamins, IMO. Since
going lc, I take a generic multivitamin w/o iron, 500mg calcium, and
magnesium. I also took a fiber supplement (pill) for a while. I started
out on the Atkins diet, but while reading the book I was kind of put off by
all the subtle 'advertisements' suggesting the high priced Atkins' formulas
supplements.

--
Linda
LC since Oct. 13, 2003
296/185/160
http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html
http://community.webshots.com/user/mslewtoo

"Are you telling me there are dead people in my living room watching
videos?"--Nina (Truly, Madly, Deeply)

"Bear" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I need to buy more vitamins and wonder if anyone uses or has an opinion on
the vitamins that claim to be for lc'ers. Any help appreciated.

--
- Bear
Grrrrrrrr : o)
353/283/210

I agree. There are a lot of good multi's to be found in health food stores
that are much better than the high-priced LC-formulated brands. I also
like them without iron since most people on LC plans are getting enough
iron already with the higher meat and dark green veggie consumption.
My favourite multi is called 'Super Multi - Iron Free' by Natural Factors.
I'm getting enough calcium in my diet but I do take 500mg magnesium/day
too. I've found that the added magnesium has greatly decreased my
menstrual cramps, although that probably won't apply to Bear. :-)

on Sat, 27 Nov 2004 13:29:03 GMT, "Lady o' the house" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bear,

I wouldn't spend the extra money to buy the 'low carb' vitamins, IMO. Since
going lc, I take a generic multivitamin w/o iron, 500mg calcium, and
magnesium. I also took a fiber supplement (pill) for a while. I started
out on the Atkins diet, but while reading the book I was kind of put off by
all the subtle 'advertisements' suggesting the high priced Atkins' formulas
supplements.

-----
Bev

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I need to buy more vitamins and wonder if anyone uses or has an opinion on
the vitamins that claim to be for lc'ers. Any help appreciated.

--
- Bear
Grrrrrrrr : o)
353/283/210

I think each of us has to decide what we need as individuals,a nd what works
best for us. You wouldn't even BELIEVE how many different vitamins and
supplements I take every day. People who know me say I'm crazy! But since
fionding a balance that works for me -- along with my low-carb regimen -- I
completely control my diabetes, cholesterol, triglycerices and GERD with no
medications at all. And my blood pressure is nromal on two lesser-dose
rather than the three higher-dose meds I had been taking.

Peter