crinkle crags

aj said:

http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

im probably the last person to find out about this but for those who didnt
know..

I didn't know that! Thanks v. much 🙂

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aj said:

http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

im probably the last person to find out about this but for those who didnt
know..

Concerns an electric fence and its effect on compasses.

Wouldn't it be possible to run it as a loop with one wire out and
another back and thus be self cancelling as far as magnetic effects
were concerned?
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Nope, I'm the last person!

This might explain why I got lost at the south end of the Crinkles a few
years ago. I was trying to find the path to Cold Pike after I cut off
accross country in thick cloud, and I got totally lost for only the 2nd time
in my life. Even today I still can't explain what happened. I was on the
main path from Red Tarn, I took a baring, went off across country and
within 5 minutes totally lost!

Although, the description says it effects a 30 metre range and Adam-a-Cove's
probably 500-1000 metres from my last know good point. What the Hell, I'll
blame the electric fence!

Thanks for the info, as Hard Knott in on my last few Wainwrights so I'll
watch out if it's too mucky.

Jhimmy

Quoted message said:

http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

interesting that it messes up the compass.
but I do wish they had more styles over it.
There is one between the Crinckles and Little Stand, that I think is a
RoW
but I have had to jump it to get to Great Knott and between Cold Pike
major and the Cold Pike minors. I had one shock, its not a problem,
but its still unwelcome.
I would have thought in such an area more styles would have been
included.

(carl) said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

Does anyone know what "heaf" means?

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Phil Cook said:

aj said:

http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

im probably the last person to find out about this but for those who didnt
know..

Concerns an electric fence and its effect on compasses.

Wouldn't it be possible to run it as a loop with one wire out and
another back and thus be self cancelling as far as magnetic effects
were concerned?

Probably, but it's a surprise there's a problem at all. Electric
fences I've come across tend to produce a short shock with a long gap
(many seconds) before the next one. This is safer for humans, and
saves the battery. I'd expect the worst effect on a compass to be a
slight flick every time the fence was charged. Even that's unlikely,
as the pulse is probably a short burst of AC which rapidly dies
away. The compass needle can't move as fast as the field changes so it
should barely move at all.

These are also low-current, high-voltage devices. A magnetic field
is generated by current flow rather than voltage so should be pretty
small.

Maybe this is a different sort of fence .. or is faulty. If it's
generating DC at sufficient current to distort the earth's magnetic
field for 30m and also at sufficient voltage to herd sheep, it's
probably unsafe. Perhaps it's more likely that the pulses are just
a bit closely spaced and make the compass flicker too much to
settle properly. That could probably be fixed just by reducing
the shock rate.

-adrian

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(carl) said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

Does anyone know what "heaf" means?

As I understand it this is a local term for getting the flock(s) of
sheep to know their local area and not stray into others over the open
fells.

Traditionally it was an ongoing process but the foot and mouth culls
wiped out whole flocks so the reintroduced sheep had no concept of
staying where they should be - hence the fence.

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Dominic Sexton said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

Does anyone know what "heaf" means?

As I understand it this is a local term for getting the flock(s) of
sheep to know their local area and not stray into others over the open
fells.

Traditionally it was an ongoing process but the foot and mouth culls
wiped out whole flocks so the reintroduced sheep had no concept of
staying where they should be - hence the fence.

Thanks! I thought it must be something like that, but I've never come
across the word before.

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aj said:

http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

im probably the last person to find out about this but for those who didnt
know..

Hey, I knew about that!

....I was expecting being able to loftily add my name to the bottom of
the list saying "no, I didn't kow about it either", but I can't now...
feeling rather disenfranchised tbh :-(
;-)

SteveO

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I noticed that Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from
Adrian Godwin contained the following:

Quoted message said:

Maybe this is a different sort of fence .. or is faulty. If it's
generating DC at sufficient current to distort the earth's magnetic
field for 30m and also at sufficient voltage to herd sheep, it's
probably unsafe.

Yeah, watch out for lost pigeons too...

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:47:23 +0000, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

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(carl) said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

Does anyone know what "heaf" means?

heaf / heafted is the name given to the process/knowledge a sheep
gains to know its way between its high pastures and its lowlands, a
useful trait for finding summer pastures and retreating as the
seasonal weather closes in. There are usually a number of matriarchal
ewes in a flock who are heafted but F&M took care of them. AFAIK its
reckoned to take up to 7 years for a sheep to become heafted.

SteveO

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SteveO said:

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:47:23 +0000, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

(carl) said:

> http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

Does anyone know what "heaf" means?

heaf / heafted is the name given to the process/knowledge a sheep
gains to know its way between its high pastures and its lowlands, a
useful trait for finding summer pastures and retreating as the
seasonal weather closes in. There are usually a number of matriarchal
ewes in a flock who are heafted but F&M took care of them. AFAIK its
reckoned to take up to 7 years for a sheep to become heafted.

But only if they live near Crinkle Crags?
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SteveO said:

There are usually a number of matriarchal
ewes in a flock who are heafted but F&M took care of them. AFAIK its
reckoned to take up to 7 years for a sheep to become heafted.

ICBW, but I seem to recall reports that the newly introduced flocks had
sorted themselves out far faster than anyone had expected. Between that and
other reports of sheep rolling over cattle grids and/or lying down to let
the flock walk over them, it seems they are maybe not as dumb as folklore
would have it.

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SteveO said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

Does anyone know what "heaf" means?

heaf / heafted is the name given to the process/knowledge a sheep
gains to know its way between its high pastures and its lowlands, a
useful trait for finding summer pastures and retreating as the
seasonal weather closes in. There are usually a number of matriarchal
ewes in a flock who are heafted but F&M took care of them. AFAIK its
reckoned to take up to 7 years for a sheep to become heafted.

Tres helpful: TVM! :-)

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John Laird said:

Between that and
other reports of sheep rolling over cattle grids and/or lying down to let
the flock walk over them, it seems they are maybe not as dumb as folklore
would have it.

Sheep rolling over cattle grids?? Please tell me this is true! :-)

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:22:56 +0000, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

John Laird said:

Between that and
other reports of sheep rolling over cattle grids and/or lying down to let
the flock walk over them, it seems they are maybe not as dumb as folklore
would have it.

Sheep rolling over cattle grids?? Please tell me this is true! :-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3938591.stm

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:46:10 +0000, John Laird
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Between that and
other reports of sheep rolling over cattle grids and/or lying down to let
the flock walk over them, it seems they are maybe not as dumb as folklore
would have it.

Sheep rolling over cattle grids?? Please tell me this is true! :-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3938591.stm

Amazing! Thanks 🙂

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Peewiglet said:

(carl) said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

Does anyone know what "heaf" means?

Further to the replies below see this for more sheep terms
http://www.nationalsheep.org.uk/education/Chapter_11.pdf
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Phil Cook said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> http://www.lamrt.org.uk/crinklecrags

Does anyone know what "heaf" means?

Further to the replies below see this for more sheep terms
http://www.nationalsheep.org.uk/education/Chapter_11.pdf

Many thanks 🙂

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