dealing with dogs

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How do you folks here deal with unleashed dogs while you're running?

You are wimp, a target for dogs. Be a man, then they'll run away.

<< Guess I'll have to get some pepper spray??

BTW--I live in a city/suburban area, not the boonies--that said, Animal
Control isn't very visible around here--but on the other hand, it's been a
long time since I've called them.

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Jean S. Barto said:

How do you folks here deal with unleashed dogs while you're running? I've
been charged by dogs twice in the last week--each time they left *their*
property and challenged me in the middle of the street. Yesterday it was
two dogs who ran through a hole in their yard fence--and last week a german
shepard *climbed* a 6 foot wood fence to chase me.

I finished my run yesterday with two large rocks in my hands--in case the
dogs who charged me yesterday came back out on the way home. They
didn't--the owner must have brought them in.

Guess I'll have to get some pepper spray??

BTW--I live in a city/suburban area, not the boonies--that said, Animal
Control isn't very visible around here--but on the other hand, it's been a
long time since I've called them.

Jean in VA

Trying using gels on your runs instead of sirloin.

Ignoramus31939 wrote in message ...

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Jean S. Barto said:

How do you folks here deal with unleashed dogs while you're running?

I've

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been charged by dogs twice in the last week--each time they left *their*
property and challenged me in the middle of the street. Yesterday it was
two dogs who ran through a hole in their yard fence--and last week a

german

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shepard *climbed* a 6 foot wood fence to chase me.

I finished my run yesterday with two large rocks in my hands--in case the
dogs who charged me yesterday came back out on the way home. They
didn't--the owner must have brought them in.

When that happens to me, I STOP, turn towards these dogs, and look
like I want to tear theur guts out of them. It is important to look
straight in their eyes and now show fear. This always stops these
dogs, most American dogs are very timid.

Yes, dogs can smell fear. I find that I usually get along with almost all
dogs, and so I've never had a big problem with them. Sometimes I've walked
for a brief stretch just to calm them down. Other times I've let them come
right up and sniff me. The really aggressive ones are usually the smallest
ones.

Most aggressive dogs won't attack you if you face them. Your best bet is
simply to stop, face them and walk away slowly backwards, and then begin to
slowly jog away backwards. They usually only chase instinctively when you
run *away* from them as you look like prey. Trying to ignore them and keep
running will most likely only make them more aggressive.

I would advise against trying to show anger towards the dog. When you stop
and face it, it will almost always stop advancing, and at that point it will
show its real tendency. An aggressive dog will rarely charge directly if
you face it. Once I was running on country road past a farm and 2 huge
dogs came out aggressively after me. I simply stopped and faced them, and
both of them were disarmed and came right up to me and greeted me, and they
were both about 30" tall at the shoulder. So there are many like these who
see something running as prey until you show you're human. Others who have
been mistreated may advance slowly and angrily, in which case you should try
backing away slowly.

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Guess I'll have to get some pepper spray??

This is better saved for bear country IMO, though it might give you
confidence to carry it, which would help make you less fearful.
Understanding how dogs think works in most situations, though its still
annoying to have to slow down to deal with them.

-Tony

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Not at all a bad idea.

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BTW--I live in a city/suburban area, not the boonies--that said,
Animal Control isn't very visible around here--but on the other
hand, it's been a long time since I've called them.

Even dogs are smart enough to know that joggers stink.

Ignoramus31939 wrote in message ...

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You have not seen dogs in other countries. The dogs in Russia, in
farm villages, are much meaner and would need much more mental effort
to be stopped. Not showing fear is a good start.

No doubt! Also city dogs and dogs kept outside all the time in an
unpleasant setting are meaner (her situation).

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The small dogs I do not give a [censored] about, myself, I figure that they
are all bark and no bite, and if they do bite me, I could just kill
them with my bare hands. So for those, I usually do not even stop. For
the bigger ones, I always stop.

lol I don't stop for them either unless they get close, in which case I
sometimes turn and chase them if I get mad. However, small or medium sized
like pit bulls shouldn't be ignored.

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I would advise against trying to show anger towards the dog. When
you stop and face it, it will almost always stop advancing, and at
that point it will show its real tendency. An aggressive dog will
rarely charge directly if you face it. Once I was running on
country road past a farm and 2 huge dogs came out aggressively after
me. I simply stopped and faced them, and both of them were disarmed
and came right up to me and greeted me, and they were both about 30"
tall at the shoulder. So there are many like these who see
something running as prey until you show you're human. Others who
have been mistreated may advance slowly and angrily, in which case
you should try backing away slowly.

These two dogs were not as bad as they could be...

True, and I could tell from the way they came up to me after I stopped that
it was ok. Actually there was little I could do anyway - there were no
rocks or sticks and they were big dogs. Showing aggression in that
situation would have been a bad move on my part however. Every situation is
unique, as with bears. I've had to deal with black bears when I was living
in the catskill mountains - they would sometimes be there forraging garbage
along the roads I ran and biked. Not the same as Grizzly country however.
I defer to Dot and others on that. Carrying pepper spray (or a gun lol) is
a good idea for smaller women. In many countries women carry guns for other
reasons...

-Tony

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Ignoramus31939 wrote in message ...

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You have not seen dogs in other countries. The dogs in Russia, in
farm villages, are much meaner and would need much more mental effort
to be stopped. Not showing fear is a good start.

No doubt! Also city dogs and dogs kept outside all the time in an
unpleasant setting are meaner (her situation).

The dogs bred for fighting are not to be messed with. The two Presa Canarios
that killed a woman here in SF in the hallway of her own apartment building
for example. That happened a couple of years ago. It was a tragedy, but it
did wake people up around here to the fact that a lot of people breed
agressive dogs for very destructive purposes.

Martha

Go into a good karate stanch, let out a good yell, and that dog will not only
tuck tail and run, but will remember you, and never bother you again. Part of
the problem is running and sweating are both signs of panic in the wild. Hence
a dog can "smell fear", but he's really smelling you in the middle of a 4 mile
run. Show the slightest hesitation or fear in your voice and he'll eat you
alive.I have never been bitten, and this method has never failed me. Also dogs
who the first time charged me, will now cross the street when they see me
coming.

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True, and I could tell from the way they came up to me after I stopped that
it was ok. Actually there was little I could do anyway - there were no
rocks or sticks and they were big dogs. Showing aggression in that
situation would have been a bad move on my part however.

Absolutely true! And I did not mean to imply every dog should be met with
aggression. Most dogs can be won over with a few kind words. It's the ones that
come at you, usually more than one, in a full charge that need to be treated
aggressively. I've turned a pack of 4 running at me in full run with fangs
bared. Dogs are easy. CATS are the deadly ones. 🙂

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Carrying pepper spray (or a gun lol) is
a good idea for smaller women.

Do smaller woman really scare you that much Tony? BIG woman (elephant gun size)
scare me, but not smaller ones.

Jean S. Barto said:

How do you folks here deal with unleashed dogs while you're running? I've
been charged by dogs twice in the last week--each time they left *their*
property and challenged me in the middle of the street. Yesterday it was
two dogs who ran through a hole in their yard fence--and last week a german
shepard *climbed* a 6 foot wood fence to chase me.

If they ran out of a yard, at least you have a good idea where the owner lives.
Which means that you can always call the cops on them. The instance where the
dogs ran through a hole in the fence is just inexcusable -- negligence on the
part of the owner.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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From: "Jean S. Barto"

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How do you folks here deal with unleashed dogs while you're running?

Depends a lot on the type of dog, but for the most part stop running and face
the dog as others have suggested. A loud and stern "No!" and/or "Stay!" will
usually do the trick.

It's hard to tell the dog's true intentions---many want to play, while others
want to chase and "sic"...and sometimes you won't know until it is too late
which might be the case.

Do some Google searches on the topic as well...it has come up many times over
the past few years.

Good luck!

Mike C

Tony said:

I've had to deal with black bears when I was living
in the catskill mountains - they would sometimes be there forraging garbage
along the roads I ran and biked. Not the same as Grizzly country however.
I defer to Dot and others on that. Carrying pepper spray (or a gun lol) is
a good idea for smaller women.

Splurrf... Coke all over my monitor. You realize that the last sentence
above can be parsed two different ways?

What do you recommend for the larger ones? :-)

Jean S. Barto said:

Guess I'll have to get some pepper spray??

My mother always carried a squirt bottle with a 50-50 amonia-water
solution. A few blasts to the eyes one one occasion was enough to make
any given dog leave her alone from then on.

My mother-in-law always carried dog biscuits, and made friends with
them. They left her alone after that, too, except to beg for more
treats!

Cathy Weeks

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Splurrf... Coke all over my monitor. You realize that the last sentence
above can be parsed two different ways?

Hey! I already did that joke.

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What do you recommend for the larger ones? :-)

Muzzles, and a month on the fat farm.

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My mother always carried a squirt bottle with a 50-50 amonia-water
solution. A few blasts to the eyes one one occasion was enough to make
any given dog leave her alone from then on.

While she ran?????????????

FabulustRunner said:

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My mother always carried a squirt bottle with a 50-50 amonia-water
solution. A few blasts to the eyes one one occasion was enough to

make

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any given dog leave her alone from then on.

While she ran?????????????

She's a fast walker, not a runner. I just re-read what I wrote, and
what I meant to say is that she squirted the dogs in the eyes (not her
own eyes).

I've known runners who did this, too. They ususally only did it for a
known problem, when they had a particular dog on a particular route was
posing a problem, and didn't care the squirt bottle regularly.
Cathy Weeks

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I just re-read what I wrote, and
what I meant to say is that she squirted the dogs in the eyes (not her
own eyes).

Thanks a lot! My moms blind now thanks to your advice. You'll be hearing from
our lawyers.

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I've known runners who did this, too.

Squirt themselves in the eyes? Or post bad info? 🙂