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  1. Things are getting ridiculous here in NYC.

    Under Int. No. 497 those bicycling anywhere within the city limits
    (that includes visitors!) without their registration number tag would
    face stiff civil and criminal penalties including:

    - UP TO 15 DAYS IMPRISONMENT and
    - $100 - $300 criminal fine and
    - $100 - $300 civil fine and
    - a misdemeanor charge and
    - confiscation of one's bicycle.

    Why? To what purpose? I don't know.

    Please visit http://www.transalt.org/press/askta/041116bikebill.html
    and send an email to Councilmember Madeline Provenzano to cool it. (A
    little history: a bike lane was striped on Ms. Provenzano's street,
    which she tried to have moved/removed. For some reason, she just
    doesn't like our kind.)

    If you want to call her office, the number is 212-788-7375.

    Thank you!

    /s

  2. supabonbon said:

    Things are getting ridiculous here in NYC.

    Under Int. No. 497 those bicycling anywhere within the city limits
    (that includes visitors!) without their registration number tag would
    face stiff civil and criminal penalties including:

    - UP TO 15 DAYS IMPRISONMENT and
    - $100 - $300 criminal fine and
    - $100 - $300 civil fine and
    - a misdemeanor charge and
    - confiscation of one's bicycle.

    Why? To what purpose? I don't know.

    Please visit http://www.transalt.org/press/askta/041116bikebill.html
    and send an email to Councilmember Madeline Provenzano to cool it. (A
    little history: a bike lane was striped on Ms. Provenzano's street,
    which she tried to have moved/removed. For some reason, she just
    doesn't like our kind.)

    If you want to call her office, the number is 212-788-7375.

    Thank you!

    /s

    With a face like that she'd do anything to get some attention. Eeeewwww!

    This isn't going to work though. You have to make it difficult for
    here. Organize a thousand riders to block her driveway a few times.

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  3. I disagree with you.

    You should support the bill, we have worked hard to bring it forward.
    The NY Bill is a great step in making bicycles more "legal" for use on the
    roadways.

    It discourages theft, and promotes safety.
    We are trying to bring Bicycles out of the "Toy" image and turn it into a
    viable transportation device.

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  4. supabonbon said:

    Things are getting ridiculous here in NYC.

    Under Int. No. 497 those bicycling anywhere within the city limits
    (that includes visitors!) without their registration number tag would
    face stiff civil and criminal penalties including:

    - UP TO 15 DAYS IMPRISONMENT and
    - $100 - $300 criminal fine and
    - $100 - $300 civil fine and
    - a misdemeanor charge and
    - confiscation of one's bicycle.

    Why? To what purpose? I don't know.

    Please visit http://www.transalt.org/press/askta/041116bikebill.html
    and send an email to Councilmember Madeline Provenzano to cool it. (A
    little history: a bike lane was striped on Ms. Provenzano's street,
    which she tried to have moved/removed. For some reason, she just
    doesn't like our kind.)

    If you want to call her office, the number is 212-788-7375.

    Thank you!

    /s


    Boycott New York.

    --
    Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

  5. On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:45:28 -0600, "Dude" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    It discourages theft, and promotes safety.
    We are trying to bring Bicycles out of the "Toy" image and turn it into a
    viable transportation device.

    This is a bad attempt at humor. The funniest part is the 'out of the
    "Toy" image comment, but the 'promotes safety' merits a nod.

    Unfortunately, only people that actually ride bikes will understand
    that this is a joke and realize that a license has no impact at all on
    safety or image, much less making cycling a 'viable transportation
    device' (after all, we all know it already is one). The theft argument
    is a bit more oblique - there haven't really been enough places that
    used them to make this attempt at humor obvious to even the cyclists.

    Also unfortunately, someone may think you are being serious and repeat
    or even support this garbage. Please don't post this joke where the
    wrong people could see it. I think that's how bike lanes got
    started...

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

  6. Hey Jackass,

    If you don't like the law, sue her [censored] ass in court.

    Magilla

    supabonbon said:

    Things are getting ridiculous here in NYC.

    Under Int. No. 497 those bicycling anywhere within the city limits
    (that includes visitors!) without their registration number tag would
    face stiff civil and criminal penalties including:

    - UP TO 15 DAYS IMPRISONMENT and
    - $100 - $300 criminal fine and
    - $100 - $300 civil fine and
    - a misdemeanor charge and
    - confiscation of one's bicycle.

    Why? To what purpose? I don't know.

    Please visit http://www.transalt.org/press/askta/041116bikebill.html
    and send an email to Councilmember Madeline Provenzano to cool it. (A
    little history: a bike lane was striped on Ms. Provenzano's street,
    which she tried to have moved/removed. For some reason, she just
    doesn't like our kind.)

    If you want to call her office, the number is 212-788-7375.

    Thank you!

    /s

  7. Ride-A-Lot said:
    supabonbon said:

    Things are getting ridiculous here in NYC. Under Int. No. 497 those
    bicycling anywhere within the city limits
    (that includes visitors!) without their registration number tag would
    face stiff civil and criminal penalties including:

    - UP TO 15 DAYS IMPRISONMENT and - $100 - $300 criminal fine and - $100
    - $300 civil fine and - a misdemeanor charge and - confiscation of
    one's bicycle. Why? To what purpose? I don't know.

    Please visit http://www.transalt.org/press/askta/041116bikebill.html
    and send an email to Councilmember Madeline Provenzano to cool it. (A
    little history: a bike lane was striped on Ms. Provenzano's street,
    which she tried to have moved/removed. For some reason, she just
    doesn't like our kind.)

    If you want to call her office, the number is 212-788-7375. Thank you!

    /s

    With a face like that she'd do anything to get some attention. Eeeewwww!

    This isn't going to work though. You have to make it difficult for
    here. Organize a thousand riders to block her driveway a few times.


    Take her SUV away and make her ride or walk, depending on how stubborn she
    is.
    Maybe she CAN'T ride herself. Most likely a spoiled rich witch who is used
    to getting her own way.

    --
    Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

  8. How much does the license/registration tag cost?

    Magilla

    supabonbon said:

    Things are getting ridiculous here in NYC.

    Under Int. No. 497 those bicycling anywhere within the city limits
    (that includes visitors!) without their registration number tag would
    face stiff civil and criminal penalties including:

    - UP TO 15 DAYS IMPRISONMENT and
    - $100 - $300 criminal fine and
    - $100 - $300 civil fine and
    - a misdemeanor charge and
    - confiscation of one's bicycle.

    Why? To what purpose? I don't know.

    Please visit http://www.transalt.org/press/askta/041116bikebill.html
    and send an email to Councilmember Madeline Provenzano to cool it. (A
    little history: a bike lane was striped on Ms. Provenzano's street,
    which she tried to have moved/removed. For some reason, she just
    doesn't like our kind.)

    If you want to call her office, the number is 212-788-7375.

    Thank you!

    /s

  9. On 17 Nov 2004 12:20:44 -0800, [email hidden] (supabonbon)

    wrote in message : said:

    Under Int. No. 497 those bicycling anywhere within the city limits
    (that includes visitors!) without their registration number tag would
    face stiff civil and criminal penalties

    Clearly the intention is to make cycling as expensive and inconvenient
    as caging and push all those subversives back into their cars where
    they don't hold up the gridlock. Or something.

    Guy
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  10. On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:45:28 -0600, "Dude" <[email hidden]>

    wrote in message : said:

    You should support the bill, we have worked hard to bring it forward.
    The NY Bill is a great step in making bicycles more "legal" for use on the
    roadways.

    Or not. In the UK bicycles are legal on the roadways, no anti-cycling
    bill necessary. No licenses either.

    You going to license shoes next?

    Guy
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  11. Chris Phillipo said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    rec.bicycles.marketplace

    supabonbon said:

    Things are getting ridiculous here in NYC.

    Under Int. No. 497 those bicycling anywhere within the city limits
    (that includes visitors!) without their registration number tag would
    face stiff civil and criminal penalties including:

    - UP TO 15 DAYS IMPRISONMENT and
    - $100 - $300 criminal fine and
    - $100 - $300 civil fine and
    - a misdemeanor charge and
    - confiscation of one's bicycle.

    Why? To what purpose? I don't know.


    Apparently terrorst bombers don't register their bikes and therefore
    will be easy to spot.

    How about a bike stuffed with C4 rigged to go off when placed in a police
    car?
    Sheeesh, I can't believe NYC.

    --
    Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

  12. Think they could be going after the "Critical Mass"

    --------------------------------

    264 arrested in NYC bicycle protest
    From Jonathan Wald
    CNN
    Saturday, August 28, 2004 Posted: 8:46 PM EDT (0046 GMT)

    NEW YORK (CNN) -- In the first major clampdown on protesters before
    the Republican National Convention, New York police arrested 264
    people Friday night during a mass demonstration.

    About 5,000 cyclists gathered in Union Square Park at 6 p.m. for
    "Critical Mass," a monthly bike ride around Manhattan, sponsored by
    environmental group "Times Up!"

    Police started making arrests at around 8:30 p.m. in several locations
    along the bike route, including Madison Square Garden -- the venue for
    the Republican National Convention. (Special Report: America Votes
    2004, the Republican convention)

    The cyclists caused "massive disruptions including of people trying to
    get to the hospital and so we took appropriate action," said NYPD
    Deputy Commissioner for Public Information, Paul Browne.(Protesters
    use tech to help organize)

    Cyclists said the bike ride was peaceful and the police acted
    unreasonably.

    "It was a very peaceful, friendly occasion, like a parade," said one
    of the cyclists, Ellie Maxwell.

    "Everyone was riding along when police suddenly penned us in and
    started picking people off," Maxwell said.

    "The police actually caused more disruptions than the cyclists because
    they blocked off roads -- at one point for as long as an hour and a
    half -- whereas the cyclists were always moving."

    Most of those arrested were taken for processing to Pier 57 and will
    be charged with disorderly conduct, an NYPD spokesman said.

    The three-story, block-long pier has been converted to a holding pen
    especially for those protesting the convention so that city precincts
    will not be overrun by waves of arrests.

    The pier can hold 1,000 people and will remain in operation until the
    end of the U.S. Tennis Open.

    Police distributed flyers at the start of the ride in Union Square
    warning that anyone breaking traffic laws could be subject to arrest.

    The monthly bike ride drew thousands more than usual due to the number
    of people who wanted to protest against the convention.

    "Critical Mass" takes place on the last Friday of every month to
    promote the interests of bicyclists.

    According to its Web site, "Critical Mass's aim is to make people take
    notice of cyclists as road users."

    "Although some obstruction of 'normal' traffic occurs," says the Web
    site, "we are only seeking to raise the profile of cycling, and put
    cycling and transport issues on the agenda so that they will not be
    ignored."

    An estimated 250,000 protesters are expected to march from Union
    Square on Sunday past Madison Square Garden.

  13. MagillaGorilla said:

    How much does the license/registration tag cost?

    Magilla

    Middle posting here. Who cares about cost? This is just an anti bike
    witch, hunting.
    They should be given tags and money for not polluting. Fine her for the
    pollution she is making and for wasting city council time.

    Quoted message said:


    supabonbon said:

    Things are getting ridiculous here in NYC. Under Int. No. 497 those
    bicycling anywhere within the city limits
    (that includes visitors!) without their registration number tag would
    face stiff civil and criminal penalties including:

    - UP TO 15 DAYS IMPRISONMENT and - $100 - $300 criminal fine and - $100
    - $300 civil fine and - a misdemeanor charge and - confiscation of
    one's bicycle. Why? To what purpose? I don't know.

    Please visit http://www.transalt.org/press/askta/041116bikebill.html
    and send an email to Councilmember Madeline Provenzano to cool it. (A
    little history: a bike lane was striped on Ms. Provenzano's street,
    which she tried to have moved/removed. For some reason, she just
    doesn't like our kind.)

    If you want to call her office, the number is 212-788-7375. Thank you!

    /s

    --
    Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

  14. Bill Baka said:

    On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:14:30 GMT, Chris Phillipo
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Apparently terrorst bombers don't register their bikes and therefore
    will be easy to spot.

    Quoted message said:

    How about a bike stuffed with C4 rigged to go off when placed in a
    police car?

    Funny, I had a sticker awhile back that said "this bike is a pipe bomb" -- which
    was the name of a band I saw several years ago, at Al's Bar in LA. I had it on
    my mountain bike for awhile, but took it off awhile ago -- just to be safe!

    Matt O.

  15. On 17 Nov 2004 12:20:44 -0800, [email hidden] (supabonbon)

    Quoted message said:

    Things are getting ridiculous here in NYC.

    Under Int. No. 497 those bicycling anywhere within the city limits
    (that includes visitors!) without their registration number tag would
    face stiff civil and criminal penalties including:

    - UP TO 15 DAYS IMPRISONMENT and
    - $100 - $300 criminal fine and
    - $100 - $300 civil fine and
    - a misdemeanor charge and
    - confiscation of one's bicycle.

    Why? To what purpose? I don't know.

    Revenue, and the opportunity to have an excuse to throw out or
    incarcerate any of Those People.

    I wonder how they'll "register" bikes that have no serial number...
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  16. Lindsay said:

    Think they could be going after the "Critical Mass"

    --------------------------------

    264 arrested in NYC bicycle protest
    From Jonathan Wald
    CNN
    Saturday, August 28, 2004 Posted: 8:46 PM EDT (0046 GMT)

    NEW YORK (CNN) -- In the first major clampdown on protesters before
    the Republican National Convention, New York police arrested 264
    people Friday night during a mass demonstration.

    About 5,000 cyclists gathered in Union Square Park at 6 p.m. for
    "Critical Mass," a monthly bike ride around Manhattan, sponsored by
    environmental group "Times Up!"

    Police started making arrests at around 8:30 p.m. in several locations
    along the bike route, including Madison Square Garden -- the venue for
    the Republican National Convention. (Special Report: America Votes
    2004, the Republican convention)

    The cyclists caused "massive disruptions including of people trying to
    get to the hospital and so we took appropriate action," said NYPD
    Deputy Commissioner for Public Information, Paul Browne.(Protesters
    use tech to help organize)

    Cyclists said the bike ride was peaceful and the police acted
    unreasonably.

    "It was a very peaceful, friendly occasion, like a parade," said one
    of the cyclists, Ellie Maxwell.

    "Everyone was riding along when police suddenly penned us in and
    started picking people off," Maxwell said.

    "The police actually caused more disruptions than the cyclists because
    they blocked off roads -- at one point for as long as an hour and a
    half -- whereas the cyclists were always moving."

    Most of those arrested were taken for processing to Pier 57 and will
    be charged with disorderly conduct, an NYPD spokesman said.

    The three-story, block-long pier has been converted to a holding pen
    especially for those protesting the convention so that city precincts
    will not be overrun by waves of arrests.

    The pier can hold 1,000 people and will remain in operation until the
    end of the U.S. Tennis Open.

    Police distributed flyers at the start of the ride in Union Square
    warning that anyone breaking traffic laws could be subject to arrest.

    The monthly bike ride drew thousands more than usual due to the number
    of people who wanted to protest against the convention.

    "Critical Mass" takes place on the last Friday of every month to
    promote the interests of bicyclists.

    According to its Web site, "Critical Mass's aim is to make people take
    notice of cyclists as road users."

    "Although some obstruction of 'normal' traffic occurs," says the Web
    site, "we are only seeking to raise the profile of cycling, and put
    cycling and transport issues on the agenda so that they will not be
    ignored."

    An estimated 250,000 protesters are expected to march from Union
    Square on Sunday past Madison Square Garden.


    Sure glad I didn't vote for [censored] weed.
    Sure sad he sacked the election again.
    Sadder still that 50% of Americans were stupid enough to give him the
    chance.
    Learn to goosestep and say "Heil Bush".

    --
    Bill (politically correct) Baka

  17. Matt O'Toole said:
    Bill Baka said:

    On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:14:30 GMT, Chris Phillipo
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Apparently terrorst bombers don't register their bikes and therefore
    will be easy to spot.

    Quoted message said:

    How about a bike stuffed with C4 rigged to go off when placed in a
    police car?

    Funny, I had a sticker awhile back that said "this bike is a pipe bomb"
    -- which
    was the name of a band I saw several years ago, at Al's Bar in LA. I
    had it on
    my mountain bike for awhile, but took it off awhile ago -- just to be
    safe!

    Matt O.


    I keep spare money, $100 bills, rolled up and about 5 each in a piece of
    1/2" pipe threaded with caps on both ends. Each of these is a $500 stash.
    I don't even remember where I tossed some of them, but I do take a few
    tossed in my car on trips, just in case. If a cop ever pulled me over and
    demanded to see my trunk would they blow up my car?
    This country is getting stranger by the day. I wonder if we will have a
    new, Republican written Constitution by the time Bush get done with it.

    --
    Bill (not always politically correct) Baka

  18. "supabonbon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Things are getting ridiculous here in NYC.

    Under Int. No. 497 those bicycling anywhere within the city limits
    (that includes visitors!) without their registration number tag would
    face stiff civil and criminal penalties including:

    - UP TO 15 DAYS IMPRISONMENT and
    - $100 - $300 criminal fine and
    - $100 - $300 civil fine and
    - a misdemeanor charge and
    - confiscation of one's bicycle.

    Why? To what purpose? I don't know.

    Please visit http://www.transalt.org/press/askta/041116bikebill.html
    and send an email to Councilmember Madeline Provenzano to cool it. (A
    little history: a bike lane was striped on Ms. Provenzano's street,
    which she tried to have moved/removed. For some reason, she just
    doesn't like our kind.)

    If you want to call her office, the number is 212-788-7375.

    Thank you!

    /s

    Let me play devil's advocate here:

    1) Bicycles are used on public streets, just like cars.

    2) I have to register my car each year, and make sure I have proof of
    registration when I drive.

    Is the registration requirement for motorized vehicles "anti-car"?

    Given the similar requirements for motorized vehicles, how is a bicycle
    registration requirement "anti-bicycling"?

    GG

  19. On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:45:28 -0600, "Dude" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    I disagree with you.

    You should support the bill, we have worked hard to bring it forward.
    The NY Bill is a great step in making bicycles more "legal" for use on the
    roadways.

    As written, it sucks. It needs explicit exemptions for riders who are
    from outside the regulated area, and it needs to have a requirement
    that the NYPD or other siezing agency must follow an explicit set of
    consistent rules for notice to owners when a stolen or improperly
    parked bike is recovered; the rules are not stated in the present
    wording, just required without any schedule or procedure. It has
    other major flaws as well. This, in short, is a hastily-written and
    badly flawed piece of law. It should not be enacted.

    Quoted message said:

    It discourages theft,

    How? Thieves care nothing for *obeying* the law, and this one
    actually works in their favor. There is no provision for recording of
    serial numbers of bikes (many of which *don't have* serial numbers) as
    part of the registration process; as written, a thief need only keep a
    bike tag in his pocket, and clip it to the seat just before riding off
    with it, to render this "protection" in his own favor.

    Quoted message said:

    and promotes safety.

    Once again, how? Nothing in it requires competency or mandates the
    presence of safety equipment (as if that was really going to make a
    difference anyway), nothing gives bikes explicit rights of the road
    beyond that granted by state statutes, there is no provision for an
    increase in designated bike rights-of-way or even for the allocation
    of revenues collected from fines to that purpose. No, this law has
    nothing in it whatsoever to promote safety.

    Quoted message said:

    We are trying to bring Bicycles out of the "Toy" image and turn it into a
    viable transportation device.

    Then get your beloved Councilperson to write some laws that *would*
    have that effect...if she can, which I doubt. All that the one cited
    will do is reduce the number of riders on the street due to the legal
    harassment that will be made possible through it. It will not produce
    any benefit for the bike-riding public.

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  20. MagillaGorilla said:

    How much does the license/registration tag cost?

    <mode="NYC">

    How much you got?

    </mode>
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