Winter Jacket

(J. VerSchave) said:

I am looking to buy an all-purpose jacket this year for my
snowboarding and mountain biking activities. I am assuming I should
get a separate shell and liner.

Shell
------
- water-proof
- wind-resistant
- reflective (scotchlight or equivalent) stripe across the check, back
and on the sleeves (sometimes I bike in the city and would prefered
not to get hit by a car)
- not bulky
- breathable

Liner
-----
- warm
- breathable
- fast drying
- not bulky

Anyone have any recommendations for the shell and/or the liner.
Thanks.

-jean

I would think that you need a warmer jacket for snow boarding than mountain
biking unless you only drive down hill.

Ben

[email hidden] (J. VerSchave) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I am looking to buy an all-purpose jacket this year for my
snowboarding and mountain biking activities. I am assuming I should
get a separate shell and liner.

Shell
------
- water-proof
- wind-resistant
- reflective (scotchlight or equivalent) stripe across the check, back
and on the sleeves (sometimes I bike in the city and would prefered
not to get hit by a car)
- not bulky
- breathable

Liner
-----
- warm
- breathable
- fast drying
- not bulky

Anyone have any recommendations for the shell and/or the liner.
Thanks.

-jean

If you wear a helmet an attached hood is annoying.

J. VerSchave said:

I am looking to buy an all-purpose jacket this year for my
snowboarding and mountain biking activities. I am assuming I should
get a separate shell and liner.

See www.mec.ca, they'll have what you need, as well as lots of
information explaining the various products.

Neil

"J. VerSchave" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I am looking to buy an all-purpose jacket this year for my
snowboarding and mountain biking activities. I am assuming I should
get a separate shell and liner.

Liner? Why?

A good outfit consists of a base layer, a fleece jacket (I have 3
different ones and that's the only thing that changes according to
the weather), and a shell.

There's a Salomon Somatic shell jacket on sierratradingpost.com
for $140 now, that's what I used for a good part of last season and the
3 days I was out this season (~30 days total) and I highly recommend it.
But it doesn't have anything reflective on it.

Goot points about it are:
- no liners or any other junk manufacturers like to attach inside
- no hood
- very simple and functional design

The only bad thing is that the front zipper likes to bite parts
of the shell and get stuck, but it doesn't happen too often to
be a big issue.

Basically it's an almost exact analog of the top-dog shells
like Arc'teryx Alpha SV, but for half the price and no damn hood.

Dmitry said:

"J. VerSchave" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I am looking to buy an all-purpose jacket this year for my
snowboarding and mountain biking activities. I am assuming I should
get a separate shell and liner.

Liner? Why?

I think he met shell and seperate insulation layer, like a fleece.

Anyways, go to the aforementioned Mountain Equipment Coop Site
(www.mec.ca) and look for the Zik jacket (under men's cycling clothing).
The hood is zip-off, which is good when you're using helmets. It's
made of Gore-Tex XCR, the best of the waterproof-breathables. It has
reflective strips. You could easily use it on the mountain too. You'll
need to get a fleece to wear underneath it for colder conditions.

Neil

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Dmitry said:

"J. VerSchave" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I am looking to buy an all-purpose jacket this year for my
snowboarding and mountain biking activities. I am assuming I should
get a separate shell and liner.

Liner? Why?

I think he met shell and seperate insulation layer, like a fleece.

Anyways, go to the aforementioned Mountain Equipment Coop Site
(www.mec.ca) and look for the Zik jacket (under men's cycling clothing).
The hood is zip-off, which is good when you're using helmets. It's
made of Gore-Tex XCR, the best of the waterproof-breathables. It has
reflective strips. You could easily use it on the mountain too. You'll
need to get a fleece to wear underneath it for colder conditions.

I think shells suck. They all trap sweat like crazy, even the "breathable"
ones. Unless it's raining, I'm wearing fleece with a wind vest, much
cheaper and tune-able. In the rain, it doesn't matter, you'll get wet
either way. You just want to keep running water off your body.

Peter Cole said:

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Dmitry said:

"J. VerSchave" <[email hidden]> wrote

>I am looking to buy an all-purpose jacket this year for my
>snowboarding and mountain biking activities. I am assuming I should
>get a separate shell and liner.

Liner? Why?

I think he met shell and seperate insulation layer, like a fleece.

Anyways, go to the aforementioned Mountain Equipment Coop Site
(www.mec.ca) and look for the Zik jacket (under men's cycling clothing).
The hood is zip-off, which is good when you're using helmets. It's
made of Gore-Tex XCR, the best of the waterproof-breathables. It has
reflective strips. You could easily use it on the mountain too. You'll
need to get a fleece to wear underneath it for colder conditions.

I think shells suck. They all trap sweat like crazy, even the "breathable"
ones. Unless it's raining, I'm wearing fleece with a wind vest, much
cheaper and tune-able. In the rain, it doesn't matter, you'll get wet
either way. You just want to keep running water off your body.

If you leave word where you'll be skiing in the backcountry, we can
collect the body in the Spring.

"Peter Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I think shells suck. They all trap sweat like crazy, even the "breathable"
ones. Unless it's raining, I'm wearing fleece with a wind vest, much
cheaper and tune-able.

You got to be kidding. Or your "unless" should include
"cold and/or windy". Where do you ski?

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In the rain, it doesn't matter, you'll get wet
either way. You just want to keep running water off your body.

Not true. I boarded in the pouring rain last season
wrapped in good shells (jacket - Salomon Somatic, pants -
Arc'teryx Minuteman) and all of my layers other than the
shell were dry after two hours of this misery 🙂

On 14 Nov 2004 17:24:12 -0800, [email hidden] (J.

VerSchave) said:

I am looking to buy an all-purpose jacket this year for my
snowboarding and mountain biking activities. I am assuming I should
get a separate shell and liner.

Shell
------
- water-proof
- wind-resistant
- reflective (scotchlight or equivalent) stripe across the check, back
and on the sleeves (sometimes I bike in the city and would prefered
not to get hit by a car)
- not bulky
- breathable

Liner
-----
- warm
- breathable
- fast drying
- not bulky

Anyone have any recommendations for the shell and/or the liner.
Thanks.

-jean

Spyder

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"J. VerSchave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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I am looking to buy an all-purpose jacket this year for my
snowboarding and mountain biking activities.

What kind of conditions?

For cycling, I rarely want more than a long-sleeved wool jersey and a
windbreaker with maybe a base layer when it's really cold. I've probably
worn Polertec 200 fleece cycling a couple of times. I can't imagine riding
someplace where that stuff isn't enough (and I'm not going to icebike.com
to help my imagination). If raining, a shell on the breathable side of the
waterproof/breathable tradeoff instead of a windbreaker, and maybe a
lighter jersey instead long-sleeved wool.

For boarding (at resorts), I'm not so concerned, since if conditions change,
I too can change. My MEC Northernlight Pullover works pretty well,
like a fleece + windbreaker, and doesn't hold water, but isn't the best for when
you get hot. I've got a Bipolar 300 fleece jacket with full front zip, and side vents
that's my favorite for boarding as it covers a broad temp range. I'm sure
boarding-specific stuff has advantages, but that stuff works for me so far.

My cousin never rides in more than a t-shirt and hooded windbreaker, which seems
like a true "cotton kills" outfit, but this is resort boarding, and it works for him.

"David" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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My cousin never rides in more than a t-shirt and hooded windbreaker,

Oops. I meant a thin hooded sweatshirt. Probably a cotton poly blend.
Dunno how he does it, but he's been riding a long time, and it doesn't
seem to bother him.

"lal_truckee" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I think shells suck. They all trap sweat like crazy, even the

"breathable"

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ones. Unless it's raining, I'm wearing fleece with a wind vest, much
cheaper and tune-able. In the rain, it doesn't matter, you'll get wet
either way. You just want to keep running water off your body.

If you leave word where you'll be skiing in the backcountry, we can
collect the body in the Spring.

The idea of wearing the same stuff for cycling and snowboarding is really
dumb. It's hard to think of any other 2 winter sports with such different
requirements.

"Dmitry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Peter Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I think shells suck. They all trap sweat like crazy, even the

"breathable"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ones. Unless it's raining, I'm wearing fleece with a wind vest, much
cheaper and tune-able.

You got to be kidding. Or your "unless" should include
"cold and/or windy". Where do you ski?

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In the rain, it doesn't matter, you'll get wet
either way. You just want to keep running water off your body.

Not true. I boarded in the pouring rain last season
wrapped in good shells (jacket - Salomon Somatic, pants -
Arc'teryx Minuteman) and all of my layers other than the
shell were dry after two hours of this misery 🙂

Problem with crossposts. I was talking cycling, not skiing. Goretex is
great for skiing, sucks for cycling. I've also skied all day in the rain
with it. Only problem I had was that it is way too slippery on wet packed
snow. I fell at high speed and continued to go, even accelerating, on my
back, tobogganing for the woods, head-first. Fortunately the trail was a
broad bowl, and I banked back into the center. Scared me to death.

Dmitry said:

"Peter Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I think shells suck. They all trap sweat like crazy, even the "breathable"
ones. Unless it's raining, I'm wearing fleece with a wind vest, much
cheaper and tune-able.

You got to be kidding. Or your "unless" should include
"cold and/or windy". Where do you ski?

Quoted message said:

In the rain, it doesn't matter, you'll get wet
either way. You just want to keep running water off your body.

Not true. I boarded in the pouring rain last season
wrapped in good shells (jacket - Salomon Somatic, pants -
Arc'teryx Minuteman) and all of my layers other than the
shell were dry after two hours of this misery 🙂

I'm with Dmitry. I use a shell and up to three layers underneath plus
balaclava, if necessary. I carry a daypack that I use to stash layers
as the day goes on and retrieve layers for the last few runs, as
necessary. The shell and the 1st layer remain constant, but your shell
should have good pit vents to give you that warm and fuzzy feeling.

Skiing with a daypack is a whole other subject, so those of you who are
about to dis me for skiing with a pack inbounds... bite me!!

RAC

RAC

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Peter Cole said:

I think shells suck. They all trap sweat like crazy, even the "breathable"
ones. Unless it's raining, I'm wearing fleece with a wind vest, much
cheaper and tune-able. In the rain, it doesn't matter, you'll get wet
either way. You just want to keep running water off your body.

I agree, to an extent. I've got a cheap-o windshell from MEC.
No pit zips or any other frills, except for a long bum-flap
that keeps hooking on the back of my saddle whenever I want to
stand on the pedals. Shells suck, but shell-suck sucks even
worse. Mine's one of those yellow, "security guard" ones; that
colour aesthetically sucks even further.

But for short-haul utility runs in light drizzle where putting
on the rain cape would be more hassle than it's worth, and in
cooler temps where the ride is too short to get warmed up by
riding, the shell does the trick. And it's brightly coloured,
and it has reflective striping on it, so I'm keeping the
damn thing.

Short rides suck, too.

cheers,
Tom

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and it has reflective striping on it,

You lose big points wearing something with that [censored] stuck
on it.

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Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

"Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message .local...

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and it has reflective striping on it,

You lose big points wearing something with that [censored] stuck
on it.

No sweat. You can have 'em. The points, that is.
The last thing I need is 'points'.

So, how's it going with your new Cuisinart Grind-'n-Brew?

cheers,
Tom

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Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

"Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message .local...

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and it has reflective striping on it,

You lose big points wearing something with that [censored] stuck
on it.

I guess you don't think much of tying AOL cds to the back of your bike
then...

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The Real Bev said:

I guess you don't think much of tying AOL cds to the back of your bike
then...

I don't think Flabs has scored high enough on the socio-economic scale
to be sent any anyway ;-)

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