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  1. In my Raleigh Banana story
    http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page470.htm
    The consensus was that the forks were buckled.

    I just received this interesting e-mail from an engineer :

    A comment about one of your photo captions: "This picture put up on
    Usenet brought the unanimous conclusion that the front forks were
    buckled." I must disagree with the unanimous conclusion. The front
    fork has not buckled, but bent; most likely caused from an horizontal
    impact on the front wheel. Why do I say that, you may ask. Well, for
    two reasons. One, is because I am a structural engineer bent (sorry
    about that!) on educating people on the distinction between "buckling"
    and "bending". Buckling is an instability phenomenon and occurs
    suddenly, as when you step on a beer can and suddenly its sides collapse
    (load is applied perpendicular to deformation), while bending occurs
    more gradually, in proportion to the load (load is in the same direction
    of deformation). These explanations are very simplified, of course and
    I am always willing to expound forth - but no one ever asks.

    But the main reason is that because back in circa 1969, while cycling
    from New York to Philadelphia with a friend of mine, I momentarily
    looked back to spot my friend and I ran into a parked car while
    traveling around 25 mph. My front wheel hit the car bumper square on
    and I was ejected over the car, landing on my soft bottom a few feet
    ahead of the car. I believe I must have equaled Beamer's broad jump in
    Mexico City, and I was at sea level practically. I had not a scratch
    nor any bruising or pain, I was just a little dazed to our amazement.

    I picked up my bike to resume our trip and gave it a thorough inspection
    and could not find anything wrong with it. That is, until I tried to
    mount it: the front wheel would not straighten. The front tire was
    touching the front diagonal tube of the frame. But everything looked
    all right! It was only after we placed our bicycles side by side that
    we realized that my front fork developed an extra bend - exactly where
    your photo shows. But this bent was more severe, as the wheel was
    displaced backwards at least 1", maybe almost 2". The front fork was
    almost a perfect shallow "S" shape. The bends were perfectly and
    absolutely symmetric, smooth as if carefully formed that way on purpose
    and the paint did not even peel. The solution was to flip the wheel 180
    degrees relative to the handlebar, and off we went on our trip after
    being delayed less than one hour

  2. On 15/11/04 1:32 pm, in article [email hidden], "Simon

    Mason said:

    In my Raleigh Banana story
    http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page470.htm
    The consensus was that the forks were buckled.

    I just received this interesting e-mail from an engineer :

    A comment about one of your photo captions: "This picture put up on
    Usenet brought the unanimous conclusion that the front forks were
    buckled." I must disagree with the unanimous conclusion. The front
    fork has not buckled, but bent; most likely caused from an horizontal
    impact on the front wheel.

    Snip lots..

    I have a fork like that.. It was on the front part of Igor and has been
    resigned to the scrap bits pile..

    ...d

  3. Simon Mason said:

    I picked up my bike to resume our trip and gave it a thorough inspection
    and could not find anything wrong with it. That is, until I tried to
    mount it: the front wheel would not straighten. The front tire was
    touching the front diagonal tube of the frame.

    I don't know if anyone has had the chance to ride bikes with the forks bent
    both inwards and outwards, but its great fun!

    When I worked in a bike hire shop we would often recover abused bikes.
    When the forks were bent out it became the "harley" position, where turning
    the bars has very little effect, and it was often possible to turn without
    any change of direction. Forks bent inwards was the opposite, with even a
    1mm movement of the bars producing a massive change in direction (twitch
    cycling)

    Its all fine till you try a tricycle with the forks bent out, tricycles are
    a [censored] to steer at the best of times, but this thing led me straight into
    a ditch with the bars at 45' trying desperately to get any movement at all.

    Steve

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