Australian Design Standards ( Helmets )

"Ian Jey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On a recent trip to the USA I bought myself a Giro Atmos Helmet, and a

much

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cheaper price than I would get it here.
However after reading some posts a while back, it seems that this helmet

is

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not approved for Australian Roads.

However I have a Giro Eclipse which is ?
Whats the story with this issue.

Why wouldn't the top of the line helmet not meet Australian standards.

I mean , I am sure it is very safe in the event of a crash, as I am sure
Lance Armstrong wouldn't wear it if it were dangerous.

Whats the issue, and what implications do I have if I wear this helmet and
have an accident ?

Thanks for any feedback on this.

Ian

Hmm
This question seems to pop up every week.

The general answer is that it hasn't been approved because it hasn't been
submitted for approval. It hasn't been submitted for approval because it
costs about $30 000 to go through the testing and approval process and the
manufacturers/suppliers don't think they'll sell enough to cover the costs.
However, just because it isn't approved doesn't mean it isn't a good helmet
or won't meet the Australian Standards.

Marty

Ian Jey said:

On a recent trip to the USA I bought myself a Giro Atmos Helmet, and a much
cheaper price than I would get it here.
However after reading some posts a while back, it seems that this helmet is
not approved for Australian Roads.

However I have a Giro Eclipse which is ?
Whats the story with this issue.

Why wouldn't the top of the line helmet not meet Australian standards.

I mean , I am sure it is very safe in the event of a crash, as I am sure
Lance Armstrong wouldn't wear it if it were dangerous.

Whats the issue, and what implications do I have if I wear this helmet and
have an accident ?

Thanks for any feedback on this.

Ian

The helmet probably does meet the Australian Standard but the distributor or manufacturer has to pay to get the particular model certified. (which means you don't know if it complies or not).

If you are injured and your helmet does not comply, it gives an insurer a reason to deny you a claim.

Ritch

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 at 04:21 GMT, ritcho (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Ian Jey said:

Whats the issue, and what implications do I have if I wear this helmet
and
have an accident ?

Thanks for any feedback on this.

Ian

The helmet probably does meet the Australian Standard but the
distributor or manufacturer has to pay to get the particular model
certified. (which means you don't know if it complies or not).

If you are injured and your helmet does not comply, it gives an insurer
a reason to deny you a claim.

Read also the issue ~ lastweek with the person who got pulled over and
booked by the Police because the helmet didn't satisfy the .au
standards.

--
TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
Er, RFC 882 put the dot in .com.

Ian Jey said:

On a recent trip to the USA I bought myself a Giro Atmos Helmet, and a much
cheaper price than I would get it here.
However after reading some posts a while back, it seems that this helmet is
not approved for Australian Roads.

However I have a Giro Eclipse which is ?
Whats the story with this issue.

Why wouldn't the top of the line helmet not meet Australian standards.

I mean , I am sure it is very safe in the event of a crash, as I am sure
Lance Armstrong wouldn't wear it if it were dangerous.

Whats the issue, and what implications do I have if I wear this helmet and
have an accident ?

Thanks for any feedback on this.

Ian

Hi Ian
I see that the Giro helmets meet US and European standards.

According to the Qld TORUM Regulations:
"approved bicycle helmet" means a helmet that complies with --
(a) AS 2063.1 and 2063.2; or
(b) another standard the chief executive considers is at least equal to
that standard.

I don't think there is an AS 2063.1 any more. When I looked on the
Australian Standards site AS 2063.1 had become AS 2063. I've written to
Qld Transport to ask whether the chief executive has approved any other
standards.

It doesn't appear that the minister has to approve of this change.

I'd be writing to my local state/territory MP if I was you. Tell him/her
that you have this top notch helmet from the US but can't be sure
whether you can wear it in Australia. Ask whether helmets conforming
with the United States CPSC safety standard for bicycle helmets and/or
the the European Personal Protective Equipment Directive 89/686/EEC are
approved for use in your state/territory. If they aren't, ask "why not?"

From what I understand, the history of the Australian standard has been
to act as more of a trade barrier and protect local manufacturers than
to provide additional safety protection to cyclists.

Peter

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Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

quote='Peter McCallum'Ian Jey said:

On a recent trip to the USA I bought myself a Giro Atmos Helmet, and a much
cheaper price than I would get it here.
However after reading some posts a while back, it seems that this helmet is
not approved for Australian Roads.

However I have a Giro Eclipse which is ?
Whats the story with this issue.

Why wouldn't the top of the line helmet not meet Australian standards.

I mean , I am sure it is very safe in the event of a crash, as I am sure
Lance Armstrong wouldn't wear it if it were dangerous.

Whats the issue, and what implications do I have if I wear this helmet and
have an accident ?

Thanks for any feedback on this.

Ian

Hi Ian
I see that the Giro helmets meet US and European standards.

According to the Qld TORUM Regulations:
"approved bicycle helmet" means a helmet that complies with --
(a) AS 2063.1 and 2063.2; or
(b) another standard the chief executive considers is at least equal to
that standard.

I don't think there is an AS 2063.1 any more. When I looked on the
Australian Standards site AS 2063.1 had become AS 2063. I've written to
Qld Transport to ask whether the chief executive has approved any other
standards.

It doesn't appear that the minister has to approve of this change.

I'd be writing to my local state/territory MP if I was you. Tell him/her
that you have this top notch helmet from the US but can't be sure
whether you can wear it in Australia. Ask whether helmets conforming
with the United States CPSC safety standard for bicycle helmets and/or
the the European Personal Protective Equipment Directive 89/686/EEC are
approved for use in your state/territory. If they aren't, ask "why not?"

From what I understand, the history of the Australian standard has been
to act as more of a trade barrier and protect local manufacturers than
to provide additional safety protection to cyclists.

Peter

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Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA[/QUOTE]

Bugger, did we not get Giro Bike Helmets into the US/Australian Free Trade Agreement negotiations?

SteveA

SteveA said:

Bugger, did we not get Giro Bike Helmets into the US/Australian Free
Trade Agreement negotiations?

SteveA

No, I think you'll find they were blocked by the changes in regard to
the PBS.

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Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 at 07:37 GMT, Peter McCallum (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

SteveA said:

Bugger, did we not get Giro Bike Helmets into the US/Australian Free
Trade Agreement negotiations?

SteveA

No, I think you'll find they were blocked by the changes in regard to
the PBS.

Yay! Another effect of the senate being rendered useless after July
next year is that they will probably just go back to the original
agreement, fsck over PBS, fsck over the Australian computer industry
(same IP issue - the computer industry in America is the only industry
that has the burden being subject of two Intellectual Property laws -
patents are unnecessary and an enormous burden on software
development; now Australia is going to have to put up with them as
well).

How's this for scary?:
http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/ip-health/2004-January/005844.html

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"If you already know what recursion is, just remember the answer. Otherwise,
find someone who is standing closer to Douglas Hofstadter than you are; then
ask him or her what recursion is." -- Andrew "Zarf" Plotkin

"Peter McCallum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

SteveA said:

Bugger, did we not get Giro Bike Helmets into the US/Australian Free
Trade Agreement negotiations?

SteveA

No, I think you'll find they were blocked by the changes in regard to
the PBS.

--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

Doesn't Australia make better helmets anyway?

Marty

"Marty Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Doesn't Australia make better helmets anyway?

Yay, Rosebank!! Much better than Met or Bell (NOT!)

Cheers
Peter

I rather be wearing a Giro Atmos than a K-mart Mongoose $30 Helmet when I
hit the deck .....
"Marty Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Peter McCallum" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

SteveA said:

Bugger, did we not get Giro Bike Helmets into the US/Australian Free
Trade Agreement negotiations?

SteveA

No, I think you'll find they were blocked by the changes in regard to
the PBS.

--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

Doesn't Australia make better helmets anyway?

Marty

Jimmy said:

I rather be wearing a Giro Atmos than a K-mart Mongoose $30 Helmet when I
hit the deck .....

Oh, yes! Wouldn't be seen dead in one of those.

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Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

"TimC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 at 07:37 GMT, Peter McCallum (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

SteveA said:

Bugger, did we not get Giro Bike Helmets into the US/Australian Free
Trade Agreement negotiations?

SteveA

No, I think you'll find they were blocked by the changes in regard to
the PBS.

Yay! Another effect of the senate being rendered useless after July
next year is that they will probably just go back to the original
agreement, fsck over PBS, fsck over the Australian computer industry
(same IP issue - the computer industry in America is the only industry
that has the burden being subject of two Intellectual Property laws -
patents are unnecessary and an enormous burden on software
development; now Australia is going to have to put up with them as
well).

The computer industry in the US is doing so badly, isn't it? LOL.

Actually, the best part of the unrepresentative swill being reduced to a
rubber stamp is all of those wonderful lefty whinges will be shown to be
lies. again.

The Draft won't be reinstated, the ABC won't be closed down, Medicare won't
be gutted, PBS won't be stuffed, etc, etc etc.

Given that the coalition can do pretty much as it pleases as of July, what
will you whine about then?