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  1. Here is a letter that reflects some of my sentiments.
    George M. Carter

    **A Letter

    I am writing this letter to the people in the red states in the middle
    of the country -- the people who voted for George W. Bush. I am
    writing this letter because I don't think we know each other.

    So I'll make an introduction. I am a New Yorker who voted for John
    Kerry. I used to live in California, and if I still lived there, I
    would vote for Kerry. I used to live in Washington, DC, and if I
    still lived there, I would vote for Kerry. Kerry won in all three of
    those regions.

    Maybe you want to know more about me. Or maybe not; maybe you think
    you know me already. You think I am some anti-American anarchist
    because I dislike George W. Bush. You think that I am immoral and
    anti-family, because I support women's reproductive freedom and gay
    rights. You think that I am dangerous, and even evil, because I do not
    abide by your religious beliefs.

    Maybe you are content to think that, to write me off as a "liberal" --
    the dreaded "L" word -- and rejoice that your candidate has triumphed
    over evil, immoral, anti-American, anti-family people like me. But
    maybe you are still curious. So here goes: this is who I am.

    I am a New Yorker. I was here, in my apartment downtown, on September
    11th. I watched the Towers burn from the roof of my building. I went
    inside so that I couldn't see them when they fell. I had friends who
    were inside. I have a friend who still has nightmares about watching
    people jump and fall from the Towers. He will never be the same.
    How many people like him do you know? People that can't sit in a
    restaurant without plotting an escape route, in case it blows up?

    I am a worker. I work across the street from the Citigroup Center,
    which the government told us is a "target" of terrorism. Later, we
    found out they were relaying very old information, but it was already
    too late. They had given me bad dreams again. The subway stop near
    my office was crowded with bomb-sniffing dogs, policemen in heavy
    protective gear, soldiers. Now, every time I enter or exit my office,
    all of my possessions are X-rayed to make sure I don't have any
    weapons. How often are you stopped by a soldier with a bomb-sniffing
    dog outside your office?

    I am a neighbor. I have a neighbor who is a 9/11 widow. She has two
    children. My husband does odd jobs for her now, like building
    bookshelves. Things her husband should do. He uses her husband's
    tools, and the two little girls tell him, "Those are our daddy's
    tools." How many 9/11 widows and orphans do you know? How often do
    you fill in for their dead loved ones?

    I am a taxpayer. I worked my butt off to get where I did, and so did
    my parents. My parents saved and borrowed and sent me to college. I
    worked my way through graduate school. I won a full tuition
    scholarship to law school. All for the privilege of working 2,600
    hours last year. That works out to a 50 hour week, every week,
    without any vacation days at all. I get to work by 9 am and rarely
    leave before 9 pm. I eat dinner at my office much more often than I
    eat dinner at home. My husband and I paid over $70,000 in federal
    income tax last year. At some point in the future, we will have to
    pay much more -- once this country faces its deficit and the
    impossible burden of Social Security. In fact, the areas of the
    country that supported Kerry -- New York, California, Illinois,
    Massachusetts -- they are the financial centers of the nation. They
    are the tax base o f this country. How much did you pay, Kansas?
    How much did you contribute to this government you support, Alabama?
    How much of this war in Iraq did you pay for?

    I am a liberal. The funny part is, liberals have this reputation for
    living in Never-Neverland, being idealists, not being sensible. But
    let me tell you how I see the world: I see America as one nation in
    a world of nations.. Therefore, I think we should try to get along
    with other nations. I see that gay people exist. Therefore, I think
    they should be allowed to exist, and be treated the same as other
    people. I see ways in which women ar e not allowed to control their
    own bodies. Therefore, I think we should give women more control over
    their bodies. I see that people have awful diseases. Therefore, I
    think we should enable scientists to try to cure them.. I see that we
    have a Constitution. Therefore, I think it should be upheld. I see
    that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

    Therefore, I think that Iraq was not an imminent danger t o me. It
    seems so pragmatic to me. How do you see the world? Do you really
    think voting against gay marriage will keep people from being gay?
    Would you really prefer that people continue to die from Parkinson's
    disease? Do you really not care about the Constitutional rights of
    political detainees? Would you really have supported the war if you
    knew the truth, or would you have wanted to spend more of our money on
    health care, job training, terrorism preparedness?

    I am an American. I have an American flag flying outside my home. I
    love my home more than anything. I love that I grew up right outside
    New York City. I first went to the Statue of Liberty with my 5th
    grade class, and my mom and dad took me to the Empire State Building
    when I was 8. I love taking the subway to Yankee Stadium. I loved
    living in Washington DC and going on dates to the Lincoln Memorial.
    It is because I love this country so much that I argue with my
    political opponents as much I do. I am not safe. I never feel safe.

    My in-laws live in a small town in Ohio, and that town has received
    more federal funding, per capita, for terrorism preparedness than New
    York City has. I take subways and buses every day. I work in a
    skyscraper across the street from a "target." I have emergency
    supplies and a spare pair of sneakers in my desk, in case somethng
    happens while I'm at work. Do you? How many times a month do you
    worry that your subway is going to blow up? When you hear sirens on
    the street, do you run to the window to make sure everything is okay?
    When you hear an airplane, do you flinch? Do you dread beautiful,
    blue-skied September days? I don't know a single New Yorker who
    doesn't spend the month of September on tip-toes, superstitiously
    praying for rain so we don't have to relive that beautiful,
    blue-skied day.

    I am lonely. I feel that we, as a nation, have alienated all our
    friends and further provoked our enemies. I feel unprotected. Most
    of all I feel alienated from my fellow citizens, because I don't
    understand what you are thinking. You voted for a man who started a
    war in Iraq for no reason, against the wishes of the entire world.
    You voted for a man whose lack of foresight and inability to plan has
    led to massive insurgencies in Iraq, where weapons are disappearing
    into the hands of terrorists. You voted for a man who let Osama Bin
    Laden escape into the hills of Afghanistan so that he could start
    that war in Iraq. You voted for a man who doesn't want to let people
    love who they want to love; doesn't want to let doctors cure their
    patients; doesn't want to let women rule their destinies. I don't
    understand why you voted for this man. For me, it is not enough that
    he is personable; it is not enough that he seems like one of the
    guys. Why did you vote for him? Why did you elect a man that lied
    to us in order to convince us to go to war? (Ten years ago you were
    incensed when our president lied about his sex life; you thought it
    was an impeachable offense.) Why did you elect a leader who thinks
    that strength cannot include diplomacy or international cooperaton?
    Why did you elect a man who did nothing except run away and hide on
    September 11?

    Most of all, I am terrified. I mean daily, I am afraid that I will
    not survive this. I am afraid that I will lose my husband, that I
    will never have children, that I will never grow old and watch the
    sunset in a backyard of my own. I am afraid that my career -- which
    should end with a triumphant and good-natured roast at a retirement
    party in 2035 -- will be cut short by an attack on me and my
    colleagues, as we sit sending emails and making phone calls one
    ordinary afternoon. Is your life at stake? Are you terrified?

    I don't think you are. I don't think you realize what you have done.
    And if anything happens to me or the people I love, I blame you. I
    wanted you to know that.

  2. "GMCarter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Here is a letter that reflects some of my sentiments.
    George M. Carter

    **A Letter

    I am writing this letter to the people in the red states in the middle
    of the country -- the people who voted for George W. Bush. I am
    writing this letter because I don't think we know each other.

    One interesting comment was made about the red and the blue states. It is
    said that the blue states are the most productive and profitable states out
    there where as the red states are the ones more poor and dependent on
    government.
    George, you think that the poor are noble and in fact they are the ones that
    voted red. The middle America went all Bush.

  3. On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:25:20 GMT, GMCarter <[email hidden]> posted:

    Quoted message said:

    Here is a letter that reflects some of my sentiments.
    George M. Carter

    Thanks George. That has been passed around with considerable
    appreciation.

    Quoted message said:

    **A Letter

    I am writing this letter to the people in the red states in the middle
    of the country -- the people who voted for George W. Bush. I am
    writing this letter because I don't think we know each other.

    So I'll make an introduction. I am a New Yorker who voted for John
    Kerry. I used to live in California, and if I still lived there, I
    would vote for Kerry. I used to live in Washington, DC, and if I
    still lived there, I would vote for Kerry. Kerry won in all three of
    those regions.

    Maybe you want to know more about me. Or maybe not; maybe you think
    you know me already. You think I am some anti-American anarchist
    because I dislike George W. Bush. You think that I am immoral and
    anti-family, because I support women's reproductive freedom and gay
    rights. You think that I am dangerous, and even evil, because I do not
    abide by your religious beliefs.

    Maybe you are content to think that, to write me off as a "liberal" --
    the dreaded "L" word -- and rejoice that your candidate has triumphed
    over evil, immoral, anti-American, anti-family people like me. But
    maybe you are still curious. So here goes: this is who I am.

    I am a New Yorker. I was here, in my apartment downtown, on September
    11th. I watched the Towers burn from the roof of my building. I went
    inside so that I couldn't see them when they fell. I had friends who
    were inside. I have a friend who still has nightmares about watching
    people jump and fall from the Towers. He will never be the same.
    How many people like him do you know? People that can't sit in a
    restaurant without plotting an escape route, in case it blows up?

    I am a worker. I work across the street from the Citigroup Center,
    which the government told us is a "target" of terrorism. Later, we
    found out they were relaying very old information, but it was already
    too late. They had given me bad dreams again. The subway stop near
    my office was crowded with bomb-sniffing dogs, policemen in heavy
    protective gear, soldiers. Now, every time I enter or exit my office,
    all of my possessions are X-rayed to make sure I don't have any
    weapons. How often are you stopped by a soldier with a bomb-sniffing
    dog outside your office?

    I am a neighbor. I have a neighbor who is a 9/11 widow. She has two
    children. My husband does odd jobs for her now, like building
    bookshelves. Things her husband should do. He uses her husband's
    tools, and the two little girls tell him, "Those are our daddy's
    tools." How many 9/11 widows and orphans do you know? How often do
    you fill in for their dead loved ones?

    I am a taxpayer. I worked my butt off to get where I did, and so did
    my parents. My parents saved and borrowed and sent me to college. I
    worked my way through graduate school. I won a full tuition
    scholarship to law school. All for the privilege of working 2,600
    hours last year. That works out to a 50 hour week, every week,
    without any vacation days at all. I get to work by 9 am and rarely
    leave before 9 pm. I eat dinner at my office much more often than I
    eat dinner at home. My husband and I paid over $70,000 in federal
    income tax last year. At some point in the future, we will have to
    pay much more -- once this country faces its deficit and the
    impossible burden of Social Security. In fact, the areas of the
    country that supported Kerry -- New York, California, Illinois,
    Massachusetts -- they are the financial centers of the nation. They
    are the tax base o f this country. How much did you pay, Kansas?
    How much did you contribute to this government you support, Alabama?
    How much of this war in Iraq did you pay for?

    I am a liberal. The funny part is, liberals have this reputation for
    living in Never-Neverland, being idealists, not being sensible. But
    let me tell you how I see the world: I see America as one nation in
    a world of nations.. Therefore, I think we should try to get along
    with other nations. I see that gay people exist. Therefore, I think
    they should be allowed to exist, and be treated the same as other
    people. I see ways in which women ar e not allowed to control their
    own bodies. Therefore, I think we should give women more control over
    their bodies. I see that people have awful diseases. Therefore, I
    think we should enable scientists to try to cure them.. I see that we
    have a Constitution. Therefore, I think it should be upheld. I see
    that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

    Therefore, I think that Iraq was not an imminent danger t o me. It
    seems so pragmatic to me. How do you see the world? Do you really
    think voting against gay marriage will keep people from being gay?
    Would you really prefer that people continue to die from Parkinson's
    disease? Do you really not care about the Constitutional rights of
    political detainees? Would you really have supported the war if you
    knew the truth, or would you have wanted to spend more of our money on
    health care, job training, terrorism preparedness?

    I am an American. I have an American flag flying outside my home. I
    love my home more than anything. I love that I grew up right outside
    New York City. I first went to the Statue of Liberty with my 5th
    grade class, and my mom and dad took me to the Empire State Building
    when I was 8. I love taking the subway to Yankee Stadium. I loved
    living in Washington DC and going on dates to the Lincoln Memorial.
    It is because I love this country so much that I argue with my
    political opponents as much I do. I am not safe. I never feel safe.

    My in-laws live in a small town in Ohio, and that town has received
    more federal funding, per capita, for terrorism preparedness than New
    York City has. I take subways and buses every day. I work in a
    skyscraper across the street from a "target." I have emergency
    supplies and a spare pair of sneakers in my desk, in case somethng
    happens while I'm at work. Do you? How many times a month do you
    worry that your subway is going to blow up? When you hear sirens on
    the street, do you run to the window to make sure everything is okay?
    When you hear an airplane, do you flinch? Do you dread beautiful,
    blue-skied September days? I don't know a single New Yorker who
    doesn't spend the month of September on tip-toes, superstitiously
    praying for rain so we don't have to relive that beautiful,
    blue-skied day.

    I am lonely. I feel that we, as a nation, have alienated all our
    friends and further provoked our enemies. I feel unprotected. Most
    of all I feel alienated from my fellow citizens, because I don't
    understand what you are thinking. You voted for a man who started a
    war in Iraq for no reason, against the wishes of the entire world.
    You voted for a man whose lack of foresight and inability to plan has
    led to massive insurgencies in Iraq, where weapons are disappearing
    into the hands of terrorists. You voted for a man who let Osama Bin
    Laden escape into the hills of Afghanistan so that he could start
    that war in Iraq. You voted for a man who doesn't want to let people
    love who they want to love; doesn't want to let doctors cure their
    patients; doesn't want to let women rule their destinies. I don't
    understand why you voted for this man. For me, it is not enough that
    he is personable; it is not enough that he seems like one of the
    guys. Why did you vote for him? Why did you elect a man that lied
    to us in order to convince us to go to war? (Ten years ago you were
    incensed when our president lied about his sex life; you thought it
    was an impeachable offense.) Why did you elect a leader who thinks
    that strength cannot include diplomacy or international cooperaton?
    Why did you elect a man who did nothing except run away and hide on
    September 11?

    Most of all, I am terrified. I mean daily, I am afraid that I will
    not survive this. I am afraid that I will lose my husband, that I
    will never have children, that I will never grow old and watch the
    sunset in a backyard of my own. I am afraid that my career -- which
    should end with a triumphant and good-natured roast at a retirement
    party in 2035 -- will be cut short by an attack on me and my
    colleagues, as we sit sending emails and making phone calls one
    ordinary afternoon. Is your life at stake? Are you terrified?

    I don't think you are. I don't think you realize what you have done.
    And if anything happens to me or the people I love, I blame you. I
    wanted you to know that.

  4. On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:14:47 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>
    posted:

    Quoted message said:

    The middle America went all Bush.

    No, 51%. Only 1percent of the population changed to a Bush vote.

  5. On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:56:22 +0800, Dunne E. Dawe <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:25:20 GMT, GMCarter <[email hidden]> posted:

    Quoted message said:

    Here is a letter that reflects some of my sentiments.
    George M. Carter

    Thanks George. That has been passed around with considerable
    appreciation.

    You're welcome. It is to show that there are many of US citizens who
    are disgusted and horrified by the Bush administration.

    I stand against them. They rode in on a wave of ignorance.

    (No, Robert, not poverty. The blue and red states have differential
    proportions of wealth--and one might argue that Kerry won among the
    inner city poor. It would be just as meaningless an argument. A more
    cogent one is that people with higher educations generally voted for
    Kerry. This isn't about elitism--but rather simply awareness. See Bob
    Herbert's op-ed in the Monday, 11/8/04 NY Times).

    George M. Carter

  6. "GMCarter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:56:22 +0800, Dunne E. Dawe <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:25:20 GMT, GMCarter <[email hidden]> posted:

    Quoted message said:

    Here is a letter that reflects some of my sentiments.
    George M. Carter

    Thanks George. That has been passed around with considerable
    appreciation.

    You're welcome. It is to show that there are many of US citizens who
    are disgusted and horrified by the Bush administration.

    I stand against them. They rode in on a wave of ignorance.

    (No, Robert, not poverty. The blue and red states have differential
    proportions of wealth--and one might argue that Kerry won among the
    inner city poor. It would be just as meaningless an argument. A more
    cogent one is that people with higher educations generally voted for
    Kerry. This isn't about elitism--but rather simply awareness. See Bob
    Herbert's op-ed in the Monday, 11/8/04 NY Times).

    George M. Carter

    You need to get over it George. He won and move on with it. It is not the
    end of the world. Wait for the next president you can [censored] at. In a
    democracy it is the majority that rules the country and not those with
    higher education. There are many rich people out there who are educated and
    or elite and or powerful who have a bigger role in running the country. It
    is a symbolic vote and then the president does what he wants to do.
    Kennedy was a conservative. He said "ask not what your country can do for
    you". He was strong on defense and anti-communist stand. Later on he
    starting civil rights. You would have never voted for him today. The point
    is presidents can grow in office.
    You make the best of what you have.

    Quoted message said:
  7. On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:05:21 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    snip

    Quoted message said:

    Kennedy was a conservative. He said "ask not what your country can do for
    you". He was strong on defense and anti-communist stand. Later on he
    starting civil rights. You would have never voted for him today. The point
    is presidents can grow in office.

    Do you just make this nonsense up as you go? Wow. I would have voted
    for JFK or even Robert F. had they not been murdered. I would have
    fought against JFK and LBJ on the matter of Vietnam. I would have
    supported them in civil rights. I would have supported JFK against the
    Soviet Union's threats. The Soviet Union has about as much to do with
    communism as fundamentalists have to do with their religious
    tradition.

    It is a rather tawdry tactic to claim what I would or would not have
    done under hypothetical conditions, in any event.

    Quoted message said:

    You make the best of what you have.

    That doesn't mean one doesn't fight for what is right. Making the best
    of doesn't equate to rolling over and accepting without question.

    George M. Carter

  8. On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:05:21 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>
    posted:

    Quoted message said:


    "GMCarter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:56:22 +0800, Dunne E. Dawe <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:25:20 GMT, GMCarter <[email hidden]> posted:

    >Here is a letter that reflects some of my sentiments.
    >George M. Carter

    Thanks George. That has been passed around with considerable
    appreciation.

    You're welcome. It is to show that there are many of US citizens who
    are disgusted and horrified by the Bush administration.

    I stand against them. They rode in on a wave of ignorance.

    (No, Robert, not poverty. The blue and red states have differential
    proportions of wealth--and one might argue that Kerry won among the
    inner city poor. It would be just as meaningless an argument. A more
    cogent one is that people with higher educations generally voted for
    Kerry. This isn't about elitism--but rather simply awareness. See Bob
    Herbert's op-ed in the Monday, 11/8/04 NY Times).

    George M. Carter

    You need to get over it George. He won and move on with it. It is not the
    end of the world.

    Very difficult even for an Australian. The only upside of Bush's
    re-election is that he will have his own chickens coming home to
    roost. How will he get out of Iraq, and how will he manage tax cuts
    and the record deficit?
    Looks like he has a golden opportunity to distract us all from Iraq
    and Afghanistan with his "New Palestinian State" that he has just
    thought up.

    Quoted message said:

    Wait for the next president you can [censored] at. In a
    democracy it is the majority that rules the country and not those with
    higher education.

    that's one of the many downsides of democracy. Your "democracy" is
    nowhere near as democratic as you appear to think.
    Yours appears more plutocracy.

    The huge number (3 million -- about 1% of the population) that changed
    to Bush thought that gay marriage and women's reproductive freedom
    were the most important issues. Iraq came way down the list.

    Quoted message said:

    There are many rich people out there who are educated and
    or elite and or powerful who have a bigger role in running the country. It
    is a symbolic vote and then the president does what he wants to do.
    Kennedy was a conservative. He said "ask not what your country can do for
    you". He was strong on defense and anti-communist stand.

    He was Catholic. What would you expect?

    Quoted message said:

    Later on he
    starting civil rights. You would have never voted for him today. The point
    is presidents can grow in office.

    Yep, but Bush has such a long way to go before growth can take place.
    He has a solid four years of repair, for a start. Economy and
    International Goodwill.

    Quoted message said:

    You make the best of what you have.

    So why choose the worst?

  9. Dunne E. Dawe said:

    So why choose the worst?

    It's simple. As Frank Zappa once said, before died of cancer, two of the
    most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. For
    another example, why else would a state university sue its own inventors
    on behalf of a cheat, liar, and thief? You guessed it! Good
    old-fashioned stupidity. Let's get this thread back on topic, check out
    the Nimitz letter:

    http://www.nmia.com/~barefoot/TheTruthWillSetYouFree.htm

    --
    _o Kristofer Dale,
    _ \<,_ ragged individualist,
    _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...

    p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org

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