WEIGHT - v - LIGHTWEIGHT

John Spencer-Mallory said:

Why the obsession with lightweight?....(That's the serious question)

Bad knees. I used to carry a lot of weight. Always hated it.

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Now I regularly go out backpacking for 1, 2 or 3 weeks at a time and
don't thing about the weight. I happily carry 30 - 40 kilos and
really enjoy my walking.

You must be really strong and fit then.

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NO I'm not superman or anything else.

Actually you are. You're in denial.

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I don't worry how many miles or kilometers I walk every day. What
the hell, today I do 40 Km (a long day), or 20 Km (an easy day),

And that proves it.

Are you related to Roger by any chance?

Paul
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http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

John Spencer-Mallory said:

Why the obsession with lightweight?....(That's the serious question)

Are you a Troll?

"Why the obsession with lightweight?" I'm certainly not obsessed. I
know this because I do not cut extra straps off rucksacks. I don't
trim down my toothbrush or spoon etc.

However, I'm not a Pongo (Apologies if you were a Bootneck or a Crab).
I enjoy being outside for the sake of it. I don't need to carry a
weapon or ammunition; I don't need to walk a certain distance to meet
the Command's objective. I just like being out there ..... and, since
I'm not the biggest or strongest wee girly you'll ever meet, that
means I have to keep the weight on my back down to something I can
manage.

You do 20 km on an easy day? You're either a troll, a psycho or, most
probably, a lot fitter than me!

That's why.

Judith

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"Why the obsession with lightweight?" I'm certainly not obsessed. I
know this because I do not cut extra straps off rucksacks.

Why not? Takes no effort, saves maybe 100g in a few seconds and they're
just nasty horrible flappy things that hit you in the face or get caught up
in stuff if you don't. Go on, do it, you know you want to really.

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Why not? Takes no effort, saves maybe 100g in a few seconds and they're
just nasty horrible flappy things that hit you in the face or get caught up
in stuff if you don't. Go on, do it, you know you want to really.

I tuck them in, neatly. That way I can use them if I need them.

Do not try to make me obsessive. I already get strange looks in the
pub when I tell complete strangers how much their jacket weighs!

Judith

"John Spencer-Mallory" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Why the obsession with lightweight?....(That's the serious question)

There's no such thing as lightweight with regards to backpacking and walking
up hills. There's just normal and needlessly heavy.

"Judith" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Do not try to make me obsessive. I already get strange looks in the
pub when I tell complete strangers how much their jacket weighs!

Ok, Mountain Equipment Makalu 2000 mens size small? (With a trimmed
drawcords ofcourse)..... Just testing.

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I already get strange looks in the

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pub when I tell complete strangers how much their jacket weighs!

Ok, Mountain Equipment Makalu 2000 mens size small? (With a trimmed
drawcords ofcourse)..... Just testing.

Ooh, well. About 740g ? Depends what he's got in his pockets,
really. Do you mind if I have a look?

Judith

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Now I regularly go out backpacking for 1, 2 or 3 weeks at a time and don't
thing about the weight. I happily carry 30 - 40 kilos and really enjoy my
walking.

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I don't worry how many miles or kilometers I walk every day. What the
hell, today I do 40 Km (a long day),

If weight carried and distance covered is of no concern to you, how come you
know what you are carrying and how far you are going?

"Judith" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I already get strange looks in the

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pub when I tell complete strangers how much their jacket weighs!

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Ok, Mountain Equipment Makalu 2000 mens size small? (With a trimmed
drawcords ofcourse)..... Just testing.

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Ooh, well. About 740g ? Depends what he's got in his pockets,
really. Do you mind if I have a look?

Close enough mine's exactly 700g. The only things that I keep in the
pockets are my hands usually so you won't find much of interest. Excellent
talent, I can say the alphabet backwards and balance snooker cues on one
finger but that's about it.

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Are you a Troll?

Errrr.......no I don't think so.

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However, I'm not a Pongo (Apologies if you were a Bootneck or a Crab).

Neither...something far far better!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - a Pilgrim

You do 20 km on an easy day? You're either a troll, a psycho..........

Errrrr...Not a Troll but my shrink says I am probably psychopathic......It
goes with the terratory I once inhabited.

John

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Now I regularly go out backpacking for 1, 2 or 3 weeks at a time and
don't
thing about the weight. I happily carry 30 - 40 kilos and really enjoy
my
walking.

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I don't worry how many miles or kilometers I walk every day. What the
hell, today I do 40 Km (a long day),

If weight carried and distance covered is of no concern to you, how come
you
know what you are carrying and how far you are going?

It's called navigation.....................WITHOUT GPS!
John S-M

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"John Spencer-Mallory" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Why the obsession with lightweight?....(That's the serious question)

There's no such thing as lightweight with regards to backpacking and
walking
up hills. There's just normal and needlessly heavy.

Weight on the back...like pain......is a state of mind.

John S-M

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If weight carried and distance covered is of no concern to you, how come you
know what you are carrying and how far you are going?

You don't need to know if you're trolling, you just make it up.
;-)

I don't believe him. Can we set up a test course for him? Pennine
Way is attractive at this time of year, but don't expect me to be the
checkpoint on Black Hill.
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Gordon

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Are you related to Roger by any chance?

Can't be. I hate carrying excess weight and didn't like 30lbs when I
used to back pack. 30 to 40 kilos would be absolute misery even on an
absolutely level track.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 79 summits
New - 51 (Marilyns 14, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 39)
Repeats - 28 (Marilyns 11, Sweats 21, Wainwrights 16, Outlying Fells 1)

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Weight on the back...like pain......is a state of mind.

Weight on the back is a pain. Carrying unnecessary weight is just wasted
effort. Carry less and go proportionately further, faster, or both.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 79 summits
New - 51 (Marilyns 14, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 39)
Repeats - 28 (Marilyns 11, Sweats 21, Wainwrights 16, Outlying Fells 1)

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During one of my previous incarnations (as a man in a dpm uniform)...and
many times I performed the Fan dance....

Forgive my ignorance. dpm? Fan dance?

Regards, Paul (R)
My Lake District walking site:
www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

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Now here's a question......or two...or three.

At the risk of being branded an heretic and having the u.k.w. Inquisition
sent out here to the wild of the Gedney Marsh, I have a serious question

to

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ask and a serious proposition to put.

Why the obsession with lightweight?....(That's the serious question)

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During one of my previous incarnations (as a man in a dpm uniform)...and
many times I performed the Fan dance.... I and my 3 team members

regularly

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carried 60+ kilos of equipment essential to our very survival (and I

don't

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mean only food {MRE =meals ready to eat} or {= meals recycled

excrement}),

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but things like 500 rounds of 5.56mm amunition - across desert or arctic
terrain.

OK so we trained and trained......and trained, but all the training in

the

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world does not overcome the psychological barriers.

Now I regularly go out backpacking for 1, 2 or 3 weeks at a time and

don't

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thing about the weight. I happily carry 30 - 40 kilos and really enjoy

my

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walking.

NO I'm not superman or anything else. I'm knocking on 60 years old, I

keep

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reasonable fit, but I just don't think about the weight on my back. WHY?
Because what I put in my pack is what I WANT to carry for my PERSONAL
COMFORT. If I think I want x, y, or z, then I carry it.

I don't worry how many miles or kilometers I walk every day. What the
hell, today I do 40 Km (a long day), or 20 Km (an easy day), or something

in

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between. Whatever, I ENJOY my walking/backpacking and I think that when

I

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pack my bag I take what I want to take for my personal comfort.

Currently I ALWAYS take either a 60 or 70 Litre pack. Narmally it's

full.

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I do make concessions to modernity - MSR Ti Kewttley things and MSR Ti

Titan

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pans, MSR Pocket Rocket (since my trip 'over the pond I'm now trying out

a

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very fat but squat 500 gram butane/isobutane/propane gas cylinder - magic
stability {as good as a trangia!!!!}) - but I'm not making a fetish of
weight.

Bye the bye...for some correspondents to the group......welcome to the

TGO

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Challenge...I may make myself known to you..🙂

Cheers all and happy trails,

John S-M

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Weight on the back is a pain. Carrying unnecessary weight is just wasted
effort. Carry less and go proportionately further, faster, or both.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 79 summits
New - 51 (Marilyns 14, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 39)
Repeats - 28 (Marilyns 11, Sweats 21, Wainwrights 16, Outlying Fells

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TABLES ??????????????

At the risk of being branded an heretic and having the u.k.w. Inquisition
sent out here to the wild of the ........................

Why the obsession with tables?

(this is the serious proposition)....
During one of my previous incarnations (as a man in a dpm uniform)...and
many times I performed the Fan dance.... I and my 3 team members regularly
done all the tables every day! OK so we trained and trained......and
trained, but all the training in the
world does not overcome the psychological barriers.

Now I regularly go out tableiling for 1, 2 or 3 weeks at a time and don't
think about the numbers

NO I'm not superman or anything else. I'm knocking on ?? years old, I keep
reasonable fit, but I just don't think about the tables, tables never ever
cross my mind

I don't worry how many tables I complete every day. What the
hell, today I do 40 Munros (a long day), or 20 corbetts (an easy day), or
something in
between.

Currently I havent thought of a table for years

Bye the bye...for some correspondents to the group......welcome to the
Donalds

Cheers all and happy tables,

112 / 284 Winter
210 / 284 Spring
180 / 284 Summer
70 / 284 Autumn

34 donalds
96 Corbetts
97 grahams

and everything in the cheviots twice

Tables and lists ....kg & km..... not for me!

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During one of my previous incarnations (as a man in a dpm uniform)...and
many times I performed the Fan dance....

Forgive my ignorance. dpm? Fan dance?

DPM: Disruptive pattern material: Brit Cammo
Fab Dance: Route across Pen-Y-Fan much beloved of SAS selection etc

part of the fun of walking on the Beacons in winter is to be startled by
some guy in cammo carrying a rifle and a huge rucksack who trudges out of
the cloud... try offering them a Werther's... they never seem to accept.....

Andrew

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I don't worry how many tables I complete every day. What the
hell, today I do 40 Munros (a long day), or 20 corbetts (an easy day), or
something in
between.

Argh! Another superman.

I OTOH am a mere mortal who has never ever done more than one Corbett in
a single day or, for that matter, more than 11 of those ridiculously
easy Munros.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 79 summits
New - 51 (Marilyns 14, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 39)
Repeats - 28 (Marilyns 11, Sweats 21, Wainwrights 16, Outlying Fells 1)