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  1. I see there has been another thread on building your own light system but I
    need to buy one and want some suggestions based on how I'll use them.

    Most of my riding is done on bike trails during day light hours. I never
    considered buying lights until I misjudged how long it would take to return
    to the car last weekend and had to ride the last few miles in the dark. I
    was a little nervous as this trail is along a river<g> I would like to have
    a system that can easily be removed from the bike and possibly stored in a
    bag until needed. There are so many different types and I'm not sure what
    the pros and cons are for them. Any suggestions on buying a good lighting
    system that won't be used too often? I'll be going to the LBS later this
    week and would like to have some idea on what to purchase. I would like to
    stay below $100 for the system. Am I going to be able to purchase a good
    system in this price range?

    TIA
    Beverly

  2. Beverly said:

    I see there has been another thread on building your own light system
    but I need to buy one and want some suggestions based on how I'll use
    them.

    Most of my riding is done on bike trails during day light hours. I
    never considered buying lights until I misjudged how long it would
    take to return to the car last weekend and had to ride the last few
    miles in the dark. I was a little nervous as this trail is along a
    river<g> I would like to have a system that can easily be removed
    from the bike and possibly stored in a bag until needed. There are
    so many different types and I'm not sure what the pros and cons are
    for them. Any suggestions on buying a good lighting system that
    won't be used too often? I'll be going to the LBS later this week
    and would like to have some idea on what to purchase. I would like
    to stay below $100 for the system. Am I going to be able to purchase
    a good system in this price range?

    Yes.

    Of course the simplest is a small, AA-powered handlebar light like a Cateye
    Micro, or the new Cateye EL500. These sell for $15-40. However, for dark roads
    and trails I don't think they give enough light.

    The next step up would probably be a 10W system with a separate battery pack.
    You can definately get these for under $100. The cheaper ones have lead-acid
    batteries which are heavier, but better for occasional use, especially if they
    come with a "smart" charger. More expensive systems come with nicad or NiMH
    batteries, which are much lighter and more compact, but don't take as well to
    occasional use. Most systems have a quick release mount for the lamp, while the
    battery is either in a little velcroed-on bag, or a hard case that slips into
    your water bottle cage. So they can be unmounted and slipped into your bag in
    seconds, rather than left unattended.

    Here's one:

    http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=17690&estore_ID=113

    Great value, smart charger and all.

    Performance has as good a selection as any, so browse around a little. Don't
    forget a taillight too!

    Matt O.

  3. Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:40:43 GMT,
    <[email hidden]>, "Beverly"

    Quoted message said:

    Most of my riding is done on bike trails during day light hours. I never
    considered buying lights until I misjudged how long it would take to return
    to the car last weekend and had to ride the last few miles in the dark. I
    was a little nervous as this trail is along a river<g> I would like to have
    a system that can easily be removed from the bike and possibly stored in a
    bag until needed.

    I'd recommend a fork-mounted integral headlight and generator.
    Something like these http://bikelite.com
    It's not removable so wouldn't be in the bag you need it on the bike.
    The batteries wouldn't be flat. . . ever.
    --
    zk

  4. Beverly said:

    I see there has been another thread on building your own light system but I
    need to buy one and want some suggestions based on how I'll use them.

    Most of my riding is done on bike trails during day light hours. I never
    considered buying lights until I misjudged how long it would take to return
    to the car last weekend and had to ride the last few miles in the dark. I
    was a little nervous as this trail is along a river<g> I would like to have
    a system that can easily be removed from the bike and possibly stored in a
    bag until needed. There are so many different types and I'm not sure what
    the pros and cons are for them. Any suggestions on buying a good lighting
    system that won't be used too often? I'll be going to the LBS later this
    week and would like to have some idea on what to purchase. I would like to
    stay below $100 for the system. Am I going to be able to purchase a good
    system in this price range?

    Here are your choices - three broad categories:

    1) "Flashlight" style units, clip onto handlebars, batteries in the
    unit. Typical cost is $10 to $30. Typically 1.25 to 2.4 watts. The
    newest designs have LEDs instead of halogen bulbs. These are OK for
    occasional use, but marginal at best for anything over, say, 15 mph
    unless there are lots of street lights.

    2) Generator lights. Typical prices are $15 to $50. Almost all are
    2.4 to 3 watts. No battery worries, and usually lots better optics than
    any other type of light. Good for almost all riding, except night
    mountain biking. But installation is more difficult and semi-permanent.
    Good up to 20 mph, at least.

    3) "Big" rechargeable battery units. Separate battery, almost always
    powering a headlight based on an MR-11 or MR-18 lamp, as sold at your
    hardware store. Typically 10 watts to 35 watts. Typical prices are
    maybe $75 to $200. Brightest of the lot, but worst optics of the lot,
    so you're paying big bucks for the priveledge of lighting the trees
    overhead. The batteries have finite life (maybe a few years), and are
    expensive to replace (maybe $50).

    You can find extremes in each category, but those are typical.

    For your use, if it's really just occasional, I'd get a Type 1 light
    (the Cateye Micro II is about the best - see Andrew Muzi at the Yellow
    Jersey online, or Peter White Cycles online), plus a rear LED blinky,
    and I'd ride slow.

    If this became a habit, I'd install a generator. They last forever and
    are always ready. (Well, you may have to replace the bulb someday.)

    If you plan to ride twisty dirt paths at night, or plan to exceed 30 mph
    regularly, or are a "more is always better" type of person, then get the
    Type 3 light. Don't ever mess up your recharging regime, or you'll
    either be riding in the dark, or shelling out for another battery.

    I've long thought that there should be a unit that uses the headlight
    shell from a generator set (with their typically excellent optics) with
    a (say) 5 to 10 watt bulb, to save the battery life, and allow a smaller
    & less expensive battery. This would be for people who prefer tending
    (& replacing) a rechargeable battery to installing a generator, or for
    people whose night vision is bad. I can't understand why the priciest
    lights have the worst optics!

    --
    --------------------+
    Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
    replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

  5. Zoot Katz said:

    I'd recommend a fork-mounted integral headlight and generator.
    Something like these http://bikelite.com
    It's not removable so wouldn't be in the bag you need it on the bike.

    pardon the cynic in me, but yea .. it'll be on someone else's bike. in mpls
    everything that wasn't taken with you was eventually stolen.

    Quoted message said:

    The batteries wouldn't be flat. . . ever.

    true.
    --
    david reuteler
    [email hidden]

  6. 01 Nov 2004 05:30:17 GMT,
    <[email hidden]>,
    David Reuteler <[email hidden]> wrote:
    \snip

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The batteries wouldn't be flat. . . ever.

    true.

    That's what makes dynamos ideal for cyclists who use their lights only
    occasionally. It also makes them ideal for cyclists who rely on their
    lights daily.
    --
    zk

  7. On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:40:43 GMT, "Beverly" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Most of my riding is done on bike trails during day light hours. I never
    considered buying lights until I misjudged how long it would take to return
    to the car last weekend and had to ride the last few miles in the dark. I
    was a little nervous as this trail is along a river<g> I would like to have
    a system that can easily be removed from the bike and possibly stored in a
    bag until needed.

    And what makes you think that, had you bought such a system, it would
    not have been tucked away in its little bag last weekend? ;-)

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  8. "Beverly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I see there has been another thread on building your own light system but I
    need to buy one and want some suggestions based on how I'll use them.

    Most of my riding is done on bike trails during day light hours. I never
    considered buying lights until I misjudged how long it would take to return
    to the car last weekend and had to ride the last few miles in the dark. I
    was a little nervous as this trail is along a river<g> I would like to have
    a system that can easily be removed from the bike and possibly stored in a
    bag until needed. There are so many different types and I'm not sure what
    the pros and cons are for them. Any suggestions on buying a good lighting
    system that won't be used too often? I'll be going to the LBS later this
    week and would like to have some idea on what to purchase. I would like to
    stay below $100 for the system. Am I going to be able to purchase a good
    system in this price range?

    The Performance Viewpoint Gen3 sounds like it would be a good
    light for you. It's on sale for $45 and runs on 4 AA batteries.
    You could also use AA NiMH rechargables if you used it often.

    <http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=18633&subcategory_ID=4320>

  9. "Beverly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Most of my riding is done on bike trails during day light hours. I never
    considered buying lights until I misjudged how long it would take to


    return

    Quoted message said:

    to the car last weekend and had to ride the last few miles in the dark.

    I'd get the Cat Eye Opticube HL-EL 300 Headlight (~$35.00). It's cheap, and
    the batteries last *forever*. I used one for wintertime commuting and never
    had to change the batteries all season. It's fine as an emergency light, or
    for when your route is familiar and has street lighting (like my commute).

    Another possibility is the Cat Eye HL-EL 500 Power Opticube Headlight
    (~$50.00) which claims the same battery life, and 1000 candlepower, but I
    have no experience with it.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    please substitute yahoo for mousepotato to reply
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    http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm
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  10. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:40:43 GMT, "Beverly" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Most of my riding is done on bike trails during day light hours. I never
    considered buying lights until I misjudged how long it would take to


    return

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the car last weekend and had to ride the last few miles in the dark.


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was a little nervous as this trail is along a river<g> I would like to


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a system that can easily be removed from the bike and possibly stored in


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bag until needed.

    And what makes you think that, had you bought such a system, it would
    not have been tucked away in its little bag last weekend? ;-)

    Guy

    I should have been a little clearer. I intend to keep it in the bike bag.
    Everything is kept in this little bag and I just remove everything but the
    essentials needed for the current ride. I'll never take those lights out
    when I'm going for an afternoon ride<G>

    Beverly

    Quoted message said:

    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  11. On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:40:43 GMT, "Beverly" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I see there has been another thread on building your own light system but I
    need to buy one and want some suggestions based on how I'll use them.

    Most of my riding is done on bike trails during day light hours. I never
    considered buying lights until I misjudged how long it would take to return
    to the car last weekend and had to ride the last few miles in the dark. I
    was a little nervous as this trail is along a river<g> I would like to have
    a system that can easily be removed from the bike and possibly stored in a
    bag until needed. There are so many different types and I'm not sure what
    the pros and cons are for them. Any suggestions on buying a good lighting
    system that won't be used too often? I'll be going to the LBS later this
    week and would like to have some idea on what to purchase. I would like to
    stay below $100 for the system. Am I going to be able to purchase a good
    system in this price range?

    TIA
    Beverly

    Look at the Planet Bike Super Spot. I've used it on dark streets in a
    city park and it worked well. Not enough for high-speed in the dark,
    but good enough for decent speed. A single LED with a good lens that
    gives a good-sized center area with peripheral lighting. $30 or so and
    would fit in a saddle bag.

    http://www.planetbike.com/frontlights.html#

  12. "Beverly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    I'll be going to the LBS later this
    week and would like to have some idea on what to purchase. I would like


    to

    Quoted message said:

    stay below $100 for the system. Am I going to be able to purchase a good
    system in this price range?

    Yes, but maybe not from an LBS, unless you have an exceptionally good one.

    For battery powered systems, look at
    http://aebike.com/site/page.cfm?PageID=30&SKU=LT7814 and
    http://store.yahoo.com/phattire1/sigspormirxb.html for the front, and
    http://harriscyclery.net/site/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1578 for the rear. You'll
    be at right around $100 with shipping. Another option for the rear is the
    Trek Disco Inferno. Go to a Trek dealer and ask them to order you TREK
    part# 69575. This will cost around $25. A big advantage of these front
    systems is the one piece reflector/bulb combination, which results in very
    good optics. Optics are important when on bicycle lights, since you need to
    use the available power efficiently.

    There used to be two good handlebar mount lights with internal batteries,
    one from Specialized (5W), one from Performance (6W), but both have been
    discontinued; there are no longer any good handlebar mount lights with
    internal batteries; the highest power ones that are still available are a
    mere 2.4W, which isn't enough. I think that the problem was that the
    run-time was just too short with AA batteries and 5 or 6 watts

    There is also the option of a dynamo powered system. There are some
    mid-quality ones are available for around $50, but the top quality ones will
    set you back at least $200. Dynamo's are not well-suited for slow riding,
    which is often necessary on multi-use paths.

    Avoid front LED lamps for a "seeing" light, though they are fine for "being
    seen."

    You might also consider a Two-Fish Lock Block and a Maglite S2C016 2 C-Cell
    Flashlight. These aren't that powerful, but they do have adjustable optics.

  13. Steven M. Scharf said:

    there are no longer any good handlebar mount lights with
    internal batteries; the highest power ones that are still available are a
    mere 2.4W, which isn't enough.

    Not enough *in your opinion* that is. For an emergency lighting
    system for occasional use, the Cateye HL500 is cheap and cheerful and
    does the job. You won't be able to ride fast, but you will get home.
    OptiCube based LED systems are also good emergency backup lights, but
    probably not bright enough for a riverside trail. Remember, the OP
    did say that this was for occasional / emergency use only.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  14. "Beverly" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Most of my riding is done on bike trails during day light hours. I never
    considered buying lights until I misjudged how long it would take to


    return

    Quoted message said:

    to the car last weekend and had to ride the last few miles in the dark. I
    was a little nervous as this trail is along a river<g> I would like to


    have

    Quoted message said:

    a system that can easily be removed from the bike and possibly stored in a
    bag until needed. There are so many different types and I'm not sure what
    the pros and cons are for them. Any suggestions on buying a good lighting
    system that won't be used too often? I'll be going to the LBS later this
    week and would like to have some idea on what to purchase. I would like


    to

    Quoted message said:

    stay below $100 for the system. Am I going to be able to purchase a good
    system in this price range?

    TIA
    Beverly


    If the light is truly for occasional use, you might want to consider
    climbing/mountaineering/caving headlamp (Petzl, Black Diamond, Princeton).
    In this context "headlamp" means "light that straps onto your head", not
    "light on the front of a vehicle". It might take a little fiddling to get
    the light to fit around or on your cycling helmet if you cycle with a
    helmet, but you would have a light that would work for hiking after dark and
    camping/backpacking trips as well as something that would get you home from
    an afternoon bike ride that lasted a little longer than expected.

    If you insist on something that mounts on the bicycle, the Cateye EL series
    lights are nice. Mine has five focused LEDs, and is just adequate for low
    speeds on unlit bike paths. Mine runs on 4 AA batteries and was about $35 at
    REI.
    --
    mark

  15. "Beverly" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    I should have been a little clearer. I intend to keep it in the bike bag.
    Everything is kept in this little bag and I just remove everything but the
    essentials needed for the current ride. I'll never take those lights out
    when I'm going for an afternoon ride<G>

    Hmmm.. that makes no sense ... you "remove everything but the essentials
    needed for the current ride" and I assume leave those non-essentials home
    .... BUT... if you don't remove your lighting system (but leave it in the
    bag) then you can't use it (because it's in the bag) <G>

    Richard in Boston, MA, USA

  16. "Richard Amirault" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Beverly" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    I should have been a little clearer. I intend to keep it in the bike


    bag.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Everything is kept in this little bag and I just remove everything but


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    essentials needed for the current ride. I'll never take those lights


    out

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    when I'm going for an afternoon ride<G>

    Hmmm.. that makes no sense ... you "remove everything but the essentials
    needed for the current ride" and I assume leave those non-essentials home
    ... BUT... if you don't remove your lighting system (but leave it in the
    bag) then you can't use it (because it's in the bag) <G>

    Richard in Boston, MA, USA


    I think you're beginning to confuse me<g> The 'bag' is always with me on
    the back of the bike. Some things always stay in the bag - pump, spare
    tube, patch kit, tools. Some things in the bag aren't necessities and get
    removed unless I think I'll need them - rain coat, reading glasses (needed
    only on Sunday morning ride to get breakfast and read paper), sunscreen(only
    needed on sunny days), patrol equipment(maps, brochures,flashing
    lights,etc - only needed when I'm on patrol) and a few other items. The
    lights would fall into the "not a necessary" item and would be removed
    unless I feel I might be late getting home. Gee, after all this maybe I'll
    just mount them permanently and never leave them at home<G>

    Beverly - who is leaning toward a battery operated light since this one
    incident was the first time in years of riding that I misjudged time and
    distance and got caught in the dark.

  17. "Steven M. Scharf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Beverly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    I'll be going to the LBS later this
    week and would like to have some idea on what to purchase. I would like


    to

    Quoted message said:

    stay below $100 for the system. Am I going to be able to purchase a


    good

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    system in this price range?

    Yes, but maybe not from an LBS, unless you have an exceptionally good one.


    I'll check some of these out when I visit the LBS. It's a Trek dealer and
    with my discount I can often get things just as cheap as ordering from the
    internet.

    Beverly

    Quoted message said:

    For battery powered systems, look at
    http://aebike.com/site/page.cfm?PageID=30&SKU=LT7814 and
    http://store.yahoo.com/phattire1/sigspormirxb.html for the front, and
    http://harriscyclery.net/site/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1578 for the rear. You'll
    be at right around $100 with shipping. Another option for the rear is the
    Trek Disco Inferno. Go to a Trek dealer and ask them to order you TREK
    part# 69575. This will cost around $25. A big advantage of these front
    systems is the one piece reflector/bulb combination, which results in very
    good optics. Optics are important when on bicycle lights, since you need


    to

    Quoted message said:

    use the available power efficiently.

    There used to be two good handlebar mount lights with internal batteries,
    one from Specialized (5W), one from Performance (6W), but both have been
    discontinued; there are no longer any good handlebar mount lights with
    internal batteries; the highest power ones that are still available are a
    mere 2.4W, which isn't enough. I think that the problem was that the
    run-time was just too short with AA batteries and 5 or 6 watts

    There is also the option of a dynamo powered system. There are some
    mid-quality ones are available for around $50, but the top quality ones


    will

    Quoted message said:

    set you back at least $200. Dynamo's are not well-suited for slow riding,
    which is often necessary on multi-use paths.

    Avoid front LED lamps for a "seeing" light, though they are fine for


    "being

    Quoted message said:

    seen."

    You might also consider a Two-Fish Lock Block and a Maglite S2C016 2


    C-Cell

    Quoted message said:

    Flashlight. These aren't that powerful, but they do have adjustable


    optics.

    Quoted message said:


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