"Wolfbrother" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:Do people not understand that these so called healthy polyunsaturated
vegetable oils DO NOT EXIST IN NATURE in the form and amounts we
consume them now and did not exist in the human diet at all until very
recently.
It's true that walnuts have never existed, and that the half the
mediterranea has only used walnut oil (along with olive oil and mutton fat
and butter) for a mere few millenia. Anyway, it's not like these people eat
a large quantity of walnuts, they barely ever approach the things. It's also
true that India has only used home-pressed colza oil (thankfully, American
companies have explained to their government how unhealthy this was, they
are now using industrial-grade canola instead) for the past few millenia.
All that is so very recent...
Quoted message said:To claim they are good for us is INSANE. From less than 1
pound per person per year in 1900 to over 30 pounds per person per
year today.
That's speaking for the USA. The rest of the world has been at much more
stable numbers for a long while. It's also mostly in the USA that oils mean
highly processed ones. Just compare the daily trans fat intake in the USA to
the rest of the western world... You're making generalizations based on your
own hyper-industrialized food industry. You can't compare hydrogenated
canola and cold-extracted walnut oil that is kept in the fridge and eaten
within a couple of months.
Quoted message said:Consider also that heart disease, diabetes and most other
modern degenerative conditions were RARE 100 years ago.
Living longer tends to cause this kind of disease. Being the most obese
nation in the world doesn't help either. Eating tons of highly processed
food and corn syrup is probably not helping much too. No need to blame that
on oils.
Quoted message said:Consider also that the so
called dangerous "artery clogging" saturated animal fats and tropical
oils(regarding their use in cooking) have gone from over 20 pounds per
person per year to almost 0 and butter has gone from 18 pounds to 4
pounds per person per year, replaced by hydrogenated vegetable
shortenings and margarine.
Trans fats are still saturated fats, they're certainly not polyunsaturated
ones... The consumption of saturated fat has not gone to 0 in the USA, it
has *increased* because everything is loaded with trans fats.
Natural animal fat is not that saturated, just check the values for farm
ducks or traditionnal pork that is fed with acorns (like old style Spanish
black pork) or even the industrial porks that are fed with flax (usually
they have a balanced 1/3 from SF,MUF and PUF along with high omega-3
content). The animal fat you have nowadays has nothing to do with the one we
had a couple of centuries ago or that traditionnal cultures still have.
Maybe it was healthy back then, but I doubt getting 100% of your fat from
modern animal fat is healthy.
Margarine replacing butter is also a very American phenomenon. Same for
using shortenings instead of plain old peanut oil to fry things.
It's not a problem with the fats, it's a problem with how you use them.
Butter is for spreading/cooking, olive oil or eventually peanut is for
cooking/seasonning/frying and walnut/colza is for seasonning (or slow
cooking in the case of colza). That's how these fats have been used for
millenia.
