Re: Saturated Fat

"Piezzo Gurl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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She must be in the Guiness book of world records then as being one of the
unusual old people for her time.

The average age expectancy has risen considerably.

Yes "unusualy" old just like any number of random people I can look up
from the 19th, 18th and even 17th century.

Thomas Hobbes: 1588-1679 age 91!!

Robert herrick: 1591-1674 age 83

Isaac Newton: 1642-1727 age 85

Colley Cibber: 1671-1757 age 86

George Frederic Handel: 1685-1759 age 74

John Quincy Adams: 1735-1826 age 91

James Madison: 1751-1836 age 85

Andrew jackson: 1767-1845 age 78

Benjamin Franklin: 1706 - 1790 age 84

Richard Strauss: 1864–1949 age 85

Giacomo Meyerbeer: 1791–1864 age 73

Charles Gounod: 1818–1893 age 75

Lowell Mason: 1792–1872 age 80

John Philip Sousa: 1854–1932 78

I could go on and on but you get the picture. Despite what most
people would believe or assume people DID regularly live to fairly old
ages hundreds of years ago and they did so without all our so called
modern medical wonders because they were in better health than the
elderly people of today. When you look at it rationaly you have to
ask yourself just how far have we really come. If you consider that
people were living to these ages hundreds of years ago with their
primitive medical knowlage it is amazing that any people today should
be dying in their 50s and even 40s of degenerative conditions and now
most medical professionals are predicting a SHORTER life span for the
next generation do to the unbelievably poor health of todays children.
It is a simple fact that our modern society and modern medicine is a
total failure.

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"Piezzo Gurl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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She must be in the Guiness book of world records then as being one of the
unusual old people for her time.

The average age expectancy has risen considerably.

Yes "unusualy" old just like any number of random people I can look up
from the 19th, 18th and even 17th century.

Thomas Hobbes: 1588-1679 age 91!!

Robert herrick: 1591-1674 age 83

Isaac Newton: 1642-1727 age 85

Colley Cibber: 1671-1757 age 86

George Frederic Handel: 1685-1759 age 74

John Quincy Adams: 1735-1826 age 91

James Madison: 1751-1836 age 85

Andrew jackson: 1767-1845 age 78

Benjamin Franklin: 1706 - 1790 age 84

Richard Strauss: 1864?1949 age 85

Giacomo Meyerbeer: 1791?1864 age 73

Charles Gounod: 1818?1893 age 75

Lowell Mason: 1792?1872 age 80

John Philip Sousa: 1854?1932 78

I could go on and on but you get the picture. Despite what most
people would believe or assume people DID regularly live to fairly old
ages hundreds of years ago and they did so without all our so called
modern medical wonders because they were in better health than the
elderly people of today. When you look at it rationaly you have to
ask yourself just how far have we really come. If you consider that
people were living to these ages hundreds of years ago with their
primitive medical knowlage it is amazing that any people today should
be dying in their 50s and even 40s of degenerative conditions and now
most medical professionals are predicting a SHORTER life span for the
next generation do to the unbelievably poor health of todays children.
It is a simple fact that our modern society and modern medicine is a
total failure.

They say that the death rate goes down when doctors go on strike. I
wonder how much of that is attributable to fewer drugs being
prescribed and administered?

TC

Always notice how the ages of these people are listed because it was
exceptional and not the norm.

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She must be in the Guiness book of world records then as being one of

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unusual old people for her time.

The average age expectancy has risen considerably.

Yes "unusualy" old just like any number of random people I can look up
from the 19th, 18th and even 17th century.

Thomas Hobbes: 1588-1679 age 91!!

Robert herrick: 1591-1674 age 83

Isaac Newton: 1642-1727 age 85

Colley Cibber: 1671-1757 age 86

George Frederic Handel: 1685-1759 age 74

John Quincy Adams: 1735-1826 age 91

James Madison: 1751-1836 age 85

Andrew jackson: 1767-1845 age 78

Benjamin Franklin: 1706 - 1790 age 84

Richard Strauss: 1864?1949 age 85

Giacomo Meyerbeer: 1791?1864 age 73

Charles Gounod: 1818?1893 age 75

Lowell Mason: 1792?1872 age 80

John Philip Sousa: 1854?1932 78

I could go on and on but you get the picture. Despite what most
people would believe or assume people DID regularly live to fairly old
ages hundreds of years ago and they did so without all our so called
modern medical wonders because they were in better health than the
elderly people of today. When you look at it rationaly you have to
ask yourself just how far have we really come. If you consider that
people were living to these ages hundreds of years ago with their
primitive medical knowlage it is amazing that any people today should
be dying in their 50s and even 40s of degenerative conditions and now
most medical professionals are predicting a SHORTER life span for the
next generation do to the unbelievably poor health of todays children.
It is a simple fact that our modern society and modern medicine is a
total failure.

They say that the death rate goes down when doctors go on strike. I
wonder how much of that is attributable to fewer drugs being
prescribed and administered?

TC

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They say that the death rate goes down when doctors go on strike. I
wonder how much of that is attributable to fewer drugs being
prescribed and administered?

TC

That is true. Doctors are one of the leading causes of death. Aside
from emergency care for traumatic injuries etc. they do far more harm
than good.

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They say that the death rate goes down when doctors go on strike. I
wonder how much of that is attributable to fewer drugs being
prescribed and administered?

TC

That is true. Doctors are one of the leading causes of death. Aside
from emergency care for traumatic injuries etc. they do far more harm
than good.

Spam from the Christian Scientist Church that Wolfman and TC belong to.
Stop trying to spread your religion on this NG.

"Piezzo Gurl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Always notice how the ages of these people are listed because it was
exceptional and not the norm.

It may not have been the "norm" but it certainly was not rare or
non existant as medical authorities would have us believe and indeed
most people do believe that in those times everyone dropped dead in
their 30s and 40s of heart attacks which is just not true but it
certainly goes a long way in making our modern society out to look
much better than it really is and that suits the authorities just
fine. And as for it not being the norm the reason for that is not
nutritional or health related at all as it is today. It was do to
other reasons that I mentioned before. Today the causes of death are
much different. People do not die in their sleep of old age anymore
the way humans and animals are supposed to, they mostly die from
degenerative conditions caused by poor nutrition and toxic modern
foods. The fact that most people now believe the OUTRAGEOUS and
widespread lie that all these modern diseases are a result of humans
living longer and that humans are SUPPOSED to die eventualy from
things such as heart disease just goes to show you how ignorant and
brainwashed they are and how we have come to accept the fact that our
minds and bodies will deteriorate and we will all end up in rest homes
as normal. People have no clue what the standard for real human
health is because we are surrounded by poor health and have come to
expect it. The truth is that all humans have the potential to live a
very long and HEALTHY life free of degenerative conditions and
retaining physical and mental strength to the day you die (vs.
becoming some wheelchair bound invalid with diminished mental capacity
unable to take care of yourself as is the "norm" today).

The fact is people WERE healthier in the past and lived long
lives and if you were able to give people in the past the modern
technology we have in areas such as sanitation, emergency medicine,
infant mortality reduction, infection and infectious disease control,
then the old ages of 80s, 90s and beyond would not only be the "norm"
it would be expected.

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They say that the death rate goes down when doctors go on strike. I
wonder how much of that is attributable to fewer drugs being
prescribed and administered?

TC

That is true. Doctors are one of the leading causes of death. Aside
from emergency care for traumatic injuries etc. they do far more harm
than good.

Spam from the Christian Scientist Church that Wolfman and TC belong to.
Stop trying to spread your religion on this NG.

Dont you have some drugs to take dumbass?

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They say that the death rate goes down when doctors go on strike. I
wonder how much of that is attributable to fewer drugs being
prescribed and administered?

TC

That is true. Doctors are one of the leading causes of death. Aside
from emergency care for traumatic injuries etc. they do far more harm
than good.

Spam from the Christian Scientist Church that Wolfman and TC belong to.
Stop trying to spread your religion on this NG.

Bless you.

This from someone who refuses to state clearly his affiliations with
the pharma industry.

TC

Are you ashamed of your responses?

Why do you try to hide and make them hard to read by bottom posting? Grow up
and get with the 90s

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Always notice how the ages of these people are listed because it was
exceptional and not the norm.

It may not have been the "norm" but it certainly was not rare or
non existant as medical authorities would have us believe and indeed
most people do believe that in those times everyone dropped dead in
their 30s and 40s of heart attacks which is just not true but it
certainly goes a long way in making our modern society out to look
much better than it really is and that suits the authorities just
fine. And as for it not being the norm the reason for that is not
nutritional or health related at all as it is today. It was do to
other reasons that I mentioned before. Today the causes of death are
much different. People do not die in their sleep of old age anymore
the way humans and animals are supposed to, they mostly die from
degenerative conditions caused by poor nutrition and toxic modern
foods. The fact that most people now believe the OUTRAGEOUS and
widespread lie that all these modern diseases are a result of humans
living longer and that humans are SUPPOSED to die eventualy from
things such as heart disease just goes to show you how ignorant and
brainwashed they are and how we have come to accept the fact that our
minds and bodies will deteriorate and we will all end up in rest homes
as normal. People have no clue what the standard for real human
health is because we are surrounded by poor health and have come to
expect it. The truth is that all humans have the potential to live a
very long and HEALTHY life free of degenerative conditions and
retaining physical and mental strength to the day you die (vs.
becoming some wheelchair bound invalid with diminished mental capacity
unable to take care of yourself as is the "norm" today).

The fact is people WERE healthier in the past and lived long
lives and if you were able to give people in the past the modern
technology we have in areas such as sanitation, emergency medicine,
infant mortality reduction, infection and infectious disease control,
then the old ages of 80s, 90s and beyond would not only be the "norm"
it would be expected.

(tcomeau) said:

They say that the death rate goes down when doctors go on strike. I
wonder how much of that is attributable to fewer drugs being
prescribed and administered?

I thought it was because there was no one to sign the death certificate
during the strike.

Piezzo Gurl said:

She must be in the Guiness book of world records then as being one of the
unusual old people for her time.

The average age expectancy has risen considerably.

Yes, the average age has risen due to advancements in medicine,
however, the incidents of diseases such as CHD and cancer wasn't as
prevalent as it is today. No, she isn't in the Guiness Book of World's
Records. There were centenarians long before you were born Pizza Girl.
;o)

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On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:10:35 GMT, Marcio Watanabe <[email hidden]>

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john <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Wasn't the average mortality rate skewed because it factored in a very
>high infant mortality? {To use a very simplified example, if an
>infant dies at 1 year and an adult dies at 75 years, the the average
>mortality rate is 38. My great-grandmother had 18 children; 6 died in
>childbirth or under the age of one year, but my great grandparents
>lived to their late 80s.}

It never ceases to amaze me that in a sci newsgroup, at all places,
there are so many people who think that just because life expectancy,
for instance, in 1900 was 47 years, people just didn't live till their
70s and 80s.

Agreed.

My great grandmother, who grew up in the 1800's, lived to a ripe old
age of 93. She cooked with lard, ate eggs every day and used cream,
not milk. Her favorite treat was ice cream. Full fat of course. How
did she die? She died peacefully in her sleep. Isn't it odd that those
same foods suddenly became unhealthy in the next century?

Regards.

Rob