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  1. I'd appreciate some advice from the resident experts ......

    my calorie distribution over the last week has been:

    62% fat
    12% carb
    23% protein
    3 % alcohol

    Am I anywhere near a proper distribution? Are there other factors I should
    be weighing into this equation? I am keeping track of vitamins and
    nutrients, etc. and am eating plenty of green veggies. Just wondering if
    the above is worth tracking and, if so, worth adjusting.

    Thanks.

    --
    John V.
    LC - as of 1/2/04, rededicated 9/04
    262/247/241 goal for Oct./175

  2. Percents are the wrong way to look at it. You need a *specific*
    amount of carbohydrates and protein each day. Fat is adjusted to meet
    total caloric need. Percents are irrelevent, grams are more
    important.

    See http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm for details.

  3. "DJ Delorie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Percents are the wrong way to look at it. You need a *specific*
    amount of carbohydrates and protein each day. Fat is adjusted to meet
    total caloric need. Percents are irrelevent, grams are more
    important.

    See http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm for details.

    Not to be argumentative ... just exploring, but the middle aged lady in your
    online example had a meal plan that amounted to

    57% fat
    16% carb
    27% protein .....

    The example at least suggests that this distribution would be normative for
    a person like her ..... does it follow that attention to this distribution
    would amount to eating the right number of carbs and protein grams for her
    plan? It just seems that percents and gram counting are two different ways
    of looking at the same issue, rather than one being relevant and one being
    irrelevant.

    I'll be anxious to hear more......

    --
    John V.
    LC - as of 1/2/04, rededicated 9/04
    262/247/241 goal for Oct./175

  4. Sounds good to me. Fat could be a bit higher.

    "John V" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'd appreciate some advice from the resident experts ......

    my calorie distribution over the last week has been:

    62% fat
    12% carb
    23% protein
    3 % alcohol

    Am I anywhere near a proper distribution? Are there other factors I


    should

    Quoted message said:

    be weighing into this equation? I am keeping track of vitamins and
    nutrients, etc. and am eating plenty of green veggies. Just wondering if
    the above is worth tracking and, if so, worth adjusting.

    Thanks.

    --
    John V.
    LC - as of 1/2/04, rededicated 9/04
    262/247/241 goal for Oct./175

  5. John V said:
    Quoted message said:

    Percents are the wrong way to look at it. You need a *specific*
    amount of carbohydrates and protein each day. Fat is adjusted to meet
    total caloric need. Percents are irrelevent, grams are more
    important.

    See http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm for details.

    Not to be argumentative ... just exploring, but the middle aged lady in your
    online example had a meal plan that amounted to

    57% fat
    16% carb
    27% protein .....

    The example at least suggests that this distribution would be normative for
    a person like her ..... does it follow that attention to this distribution
    would amount to eating the right number of carbs and protein grams for her
    plan? It just seems that percents and gram counting are two different ways
    of looking at the same issue, rather than one being relevant and one being
    irrelevant.

    I'll be anxious to hear more......

    Jumping in here....The thing is, if your caloric requirements were
    higher, or your protein needs were higher, your carb percentage would
    be much, much lower. For example, if you want to stick to 30g carbs
    (120 Kcals), but you need 2500 total calories and 180g protein (720
    Kcals), that leaves 1660 Kcals (= 184g) fat, with these resulting
    percentages:
    66.4% fat
    28.8% protein
    4.8% carbs

    So your distribution of
    62% fat
    12% carb
    23% protein
    3 % alcohol
    would be seriously at variance in the carb department. It really all
    depends on what your total caloric intake is, and whether that's
    enough protein for you, or the right amount of carbs to keep you
    losing weight (assuming you want to lose weight; not all low-carbers
    do).

    ..:. Craig

  6. Quoted message said:

    Jumping in here....The thing is, if your caloric requirements were
    higher, or your protein needs were higher, your carb percentage would
    be much, much lower. For example, if you want to stick to 30g carbs
    (120 Kcals), but you need 2500 total calories and 180g protein (720
    Kcals), that leaves 1660 Kcals (= 184g) fat, with these resulting
    percentages:
    66.4% fat
    28.8% protein
    4.8% carbs

    So your distribution of
    62% fat
    12% carb
    23% protein
    3 % alcohol
    would be seriously at variance in the carb department. It really all
    depends on what your total caloric intake is, and whether that's
    enough protein for you, or the right amount of carbs to keep you
    losing weight (assuming you want to lose weight; not all low-carbers
    do).

    Ah, I am with you now ..... it appears to be all very subjective .... thanks
    for the post.

    --
    John V.
    LC - as of 1/2/04, rededicated 9/04
    262/247/241 goal for Oct./175

  7. John V said:

    Ah, I am with you now ..... it appears to be all very subjective ....

    I get how you'd see it that way, but it's really not all that
    subjective. The basic rules are pretty fixed:

    1. Determine how many calories you need to keep your current weight,
    and if you want to lose weight, eat between 500 and 1000 fewer
    calories than that, but in any event not less than a 20% reduction in
    calories.

    2. Determine your protein needs (.36 x current body weight plus 45g
    for brain functioning). Multiply by 4 to convert to calories.

    3. Determine your carb level (start at 25 or 30g per day for a couple
    of weeks, then add 5g each week until you either stop losing weight or
    start getting cravings, then subtract 5g, and stay at that level until
    you lose all the weight you want). Multiply by 4 to convert to
    calories.

    4. Subtract your protein and carb calories from the total in #1, and
    eat that many calories of fat (divide by 9 to determine the number of
    fat grams).

    THEN, if you want to see what percentages this works out to for you,
    that's all fine and good, and it may be a nice shorthand for you.

    That said, some dietary approaches, like the Zone, are big on
    percentages; they feel it's the *ratio* that matters, rather than
    specific amounts. Personally, because I need my carbs to be
    significantly lower than is allowed on the Zone, the approach that
    Jenny the Bean details on her website makes more sense to me.

    ..:. Craig

  8. John V said:
    DJ Delorie said:

    Percents are the wrong way to look at it. You need a *specific*
    amount of carbohydrates and protein each day. Fat is adjusted to meet
    total caloric need. Percents are irrelevent, grams are more
    important.

    Quoted message said:

    See http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm for details.

    does it follow that attention to this distribution would amount to
    eating the right number of carbs and protein grams for her plan?

    It does NOT follow. If your body does best at 90 grams of carb
    per day and 110 grams of protein, you could eat 1500 calories one
    day and eat (1500-(90*4)-(110*4))/9 = 78 grams of fat. The next
    day you could eat 2500 calories (2500-(90*4)-(110*4))/9 = 189
    grams of fat. The two percentages are VERY different.

    Now extend that to how much you might weigh and how many calories
    might be est for you. My examples above would work okay from a
    calorie-only viewpoint for a person wh weighs 150 pounds and a
    person who weighs 250 pounds respectively.

    Te body should have some number of grams of protein, which can be
    figured out, and some number of grams of carb, which can be
    figured out. Once those numbers are figured out, you can get
    your own percentages, but they will NOT be anyone else's percentages.

    Quoted message said:

    It just seems that percents and gram counting are two different
    ways of looking at the same issue, rather than one being relevant
    and one being irrelevant.

    If your best percentages aren't anyone else's best percentages,
    and if your best percentages change as your weight changes, then
    percentages are irrelevant.

    One way to figure out your best number of protein grams is from
    Protein Power by Drs Eades. One way to figure out your best
    number of carb grams is from Doctor Atkins New Diet Revolution by
    Dr Atkins. There are other ways, but those two give numbers that
    are specifically customized to your own body. The Atkins method
    is also experimentally determined using your own body's reactions
    as the guide.

  9. "Doug Freyburger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    It does NOT follow. If your body does best at 90 grams of carb
    per day and 110 grams of protein, you could eat 1500 calories one
    day and eat (1500-(90*4)-(110*4))/9 = 78 grams of fat. The next
    day you could eat 2500 calories (2500-(90*4)-(110*4))/9 = 189
    grams of fat. The two percentages are VERY different.

    Now extend that to how much you might weigh and how many calories
    might be est for you. My examples above would work okay from a
    calorie-only viewpoint for a person wh weighs 150 pounds and a
    person who weighs 250 pounds respectively.

    Te body should have some number of grams of protein, which can be
    figured out, and some number of grams of carb, which can be
    figured out. Once those numbers are figured out, you can get
    your own percentages, but they will NOT be anyone else's percentages.

    Thanks, Doug. This is helpful ... I appreciate the post

    --
    John V.
    LC - as of 1/2/04, rededicated 9/04
    262/247/241 goal for Oct./175

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