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Jennifer S. said:

Do you follow a carb restricted diet?
If you don't then why do you keep posting to this low carb newsgroup?

Jennifer S.
206/160/135

Let's ask him.

Btw, there is much ng chatter that has nothing at all to do with
low-anything much less low-carb.

Perhaps your post might be considered low-nothing, eh?

Jennifer S. said:

Do you follow a carb restricted diet?
If you don't then why do you keep posting to this low carb newsgroup?

Jennifer S.
206/160/135

Let's ask him.

Btw, there is much ng chatter that has nothing at all to do with
low-anything much less low-carb.

Perhaps your post might be considered low-nothing, eh?

MU said:

Jennifer S. said:

Do you follow a carb restricted diet?
If you don't then why do you keep posting to this low carb newsgroup?

Jennifer S.
206/160/135

Let's ask him.

I follow the 2PD Approach which is:

Low carb, low protein, *and* low fat.

Truth is simple.

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MU said:

Jennifer S. said:

Do you follow a carb restricted diet?
If you don't then why do you keep posting to this low carb newsgroup?

Jennifer S.
206/160/135

Let's ask him.

I follow the 2PD Approach which is:

Low carb, low protein, *and* low fat.

Truth is simple.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

Low carb, low protein, and low fat means.....

Low calorie. Your body is devouring your muscle as much as it is your fat.

You're right, truth is simple. But it will allow you to meet the humblest
person in the universe sooner than you may have expected.

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" schrieb:

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MU said:

Jennifer S. said:

Do you follow a carb restricted diet?
If you don't then why do you keep posting to this low carb newsgroup?

Jennifer S.
206/160/135

Let's ask him.

I follow the 2PD Approach which is:

Low carb, low protein, *and* low fat.

A diet low in protein is an important risk factor for heart disease:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/protein.html:

"In the Nurses' Health Study, women who ate the most protein (about 110
grams per day) were 25 percent less likely to have had a heart attack or
to have died of heart disease than the women who ate the least protein
(about 68 grams per day) over a 14-year period. "

This refers to:

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/70/2/221

(Dietary protein and risk of ischemic heart disease in women - Hu et
al.)

So many people don't consume enough protein even in their normal diet.
If they go on a low calorie diet and don't change the proportion of
protein in their diet, they will be severly deficient in protein. That
is probably one of the main reasons why weight loss through dieting is
not associated with a reduction in mortality in many studies.

Thorsten

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MU said:

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:19:41 GMT, Jennifer S. wrote:

> Do you follow a carb restricted diet?
> If you don't then why do you keep posting to this low carb newsgroup?
>
> Jennifer S.
> 206/160/135

Let's ask him.

I follow the 2PD Approach which is:

Low carb, low protein, *and* low fat.

Truth is simple.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

Low carb, low protein, and low fat means.....

Low calorie. Your body is devouring your muscle as much as it is your fat.

The body has no reason to break down structural proteins unless it
needs to do so for the carb side chains of amino acids (when carb
deficient) or for essential amino acids (when protein deficient).

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You're right, truth is simple.

The credit for the truth belongs to my heavenly Father whom I love
with all my heart, soul, and mind.

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But it will allow you to meet the humblest
person in the universe sooner than you may have expected.

I've already met Him sooner than expected (and not from being at ideal
body weight) and He brought me back.

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.

Please consider the following to save yourself:

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Quoted message said:

But it will allow you to meet the humblest
person in the universe sooner than you may have expected.

I've already met Him sooner than expected (and not from being at ideal
body weight) and He brought me back.

Interesting. You had clinical death experience?

Mirek

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Low carb, low protein, and low fat means.....

Low calorie. Your body is devouring your muscle as much as it is your fat.

The body has no reason to break down structural proteins unless it
needs to do so for the carb side chains of amino acids (when carb
deficient) or for essential amino acids (when protein deficient).

Protein is one thing you DON'T want to restrict, unless you want your
muscles to be eaten away.

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Quoted message said:

You're right, truth is simple.

The credit for the truth belongs to my heavenly Father whom I love
with all my heart, soul, and mind.

Quoted message said:

But it will allow you to meet the humblest
person in the universe sooner than you may have expected.

I've already met Him sooner than expected (and not from being at ideal
body weight) and He brought me back.

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.

Are you some sort of whacko?

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Low carb, low protein, and low fat means.....

Low calorie. Your body is devouring your muscle as much as it is your fat.

The body has no reason to break down structural proteins unless it
needs to do so for the carb side chains of amino acids (when carb
deficient) or for essential amino acids (when protein deficient).

Protein is one thing you DON'T want to restrict, unless you want your
muscles to be eaten away.

Physicians do it all the time especially in folks with failing kidneys.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You're right, truth is simple.

The credit for the truth belongs to my heavenly Father whom I love
with all my heart, soul, and mind.

Quoted message said:

But it will allow you to meet the humblest
person in the universe sooner than you may have expected.

I've already met Him sooner than expected (and not from being at ideal
body weight) and He brought me back.

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.

Are you some sort of whacko?

No.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

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Quoted message said:

But it will allow you to meet the humblest
person in the universe sooner than you may have expected.

I've already met Him sooner than expected (and not from being at ideal
body weight) and He brought me back.

Interesting. You had clinical death experience?

Yes.

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"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" schrieb:

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MU said:

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:19:41 GMT, Jennifer S. wrote:

> Do you follow a carb restricted diet?
> If you don't then why do you keep posting to this low carb newsgroup?
>
> Jennifer S.
> 206/160/135

Let's ask him.

I follow the 2PD Approach which is:

Low carb, low protein, *and* low fat.

A diet low in protein is an important risk factor for heart disease:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/protein.html:

"In the Nurses' Health Study, women who ate the most protein (about 110
grams per day) were 25 percent less likely to have had a heart attack or
to have died of heart disease than the women who ate the least protein
(about 68 grams per day) over a 14-year period. "

Your cited study is not relevant because for the 2PD Approach, the "low" comes
from an across-the-board reduction in macronutrients.

This works out to an average of 300 gms daily intake each of carbs, proteins
and fat for a total daily intake of 900 gms of food.

300 gms of protein is less protein than the average intake (i.e. it is low
protein) for most Americans but more than adequate amount of protein for
addressing concerns brought up by the Nurse's Health Study.

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This works out to an average of 300 gms daily intake each of carbs,

proteins

Quoted message said:

and fat for a total daily intake of 900 gms of food.

300 gms of protein is less protein than the average intake (i.e. it is

low

Quoted message said:

protein) for most Americans but more than adequate amount of protein

for

Quoted message said:

addressing concerns brought up by the Nurse's Health Study.

Dear Andrew, I sense some problem in your calculation.

Please tell what kind of food contains 300gms of carbs/protein/fat in
900g package.

Only possibility seems 300gms of protein powder, 300gms of refined sugar
and 300gms of vegetable oil.

Am I right that this is the stuff you are supposed to eat on 2PD?

And, BTW, 300gms of proteins is WAY too much. Not less than average
intake.

Mirek

Mirek Fidler said:

Quoted message said:

This works out to an average of 300 gms daily intake each of carbs,

proteins

Quoted message said:

and fat for a total daily intake of 900 gms of food.

300 gms of protein is less protein than the average intake (i.e. it is

low

Quoted message said:

protein) for most Americans but more than adequate amount of protein

for

Quoted message said:

addressing concerns brought up by the Nurse's Health Study.

Dear Andrew, I sense some problem in your calculation.

Please tell what kind of food contains 300gms of carbs/protein/fat in
900g package.

An assorted variety.

Quoted message said:

Only possibility seems 300gms of protein powder, 300gms of refined sugar
and 300gms of vegetable oil.

Only for the untruthful.

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Am I right that this is the stuff you are supposed to eat on 2PD?

No.

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And, BTW, 300gms of proteins is WAY too much. Not less than average
intake.

Average typical daily American intake probably exceeds 1 pound of meat daily
(many American folks will routinely eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just
dinner). This would be more than 450 grams.

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MU said:

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:19:41 GMT, Jennifer S. wrote:

> Do you follow a carb restricted diet?
> If you don't then why do you keep posting to this low carb newsgroup?
>
> Jennifer S.
> 206/160/135

Let's ask him.

I follow the 2PD Approach which is:

Low carb, low protein, *and* low fat.

Low in intelligence, low in common sense, low in scientific support,
low in credibility.

Your judgment.

Sorry the truth behind the 2PD Approach bothers you.

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In alt.support.diet.low-carb Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Mirek Fidler said:

Dear Andrew, I sense some problem in your calculation.

Please tell what kind of food contains 300gms of carbs/protein/fat in
900g package.

Quoted message said:

An assorted variety.

Hasn't anyone else done the math on this?
300 g protein = 1200 calories
300 g fats = 2700 calories
300 g carbs = 1200 calories
For whopping total of 5100 calories

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And, BTW, 300gms of proteins is WAY too much. Not less than average
intake.

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Average typical daily American intake probably exceeds 1 pound of meat daily
(many American folks will routinely eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just
dinner). This would be more than 450 grams.

Way, way, way wrong. According to the USDA, the average protein intake is
75 g per day. The only claims otherwise come off radical vegan sites that
jack this number up for reasons of their own. The current recommended
protein intake for a healthy person is between 40-60g per day.

And while I'm at it, I'm a Christian and have been known to share my
beliefs with friends and colleagues who expressed an interest, but I must
say I find your rude and pushy proselytizing obnoxious and inappropriate
on this ng. And turning the other cheek and gushing about how you love
someone you've never met doesn't make your pushiness any less rude.

Dan
325/199/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

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Average typical daily American intake probably exceeds 1 pound of meat

daily

Quoted message said:

(many American folks will routinely eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just
dinner). This would be more than 450 grams.

OF MEAT.

That is average 120g of protein and 100g of fat (40g saturated, 50g MUFA
and 10g PUFA).

I thought you might want to know it.

In fact, I would hardly be arguing if you would stated that you are
supposed to eat e.g. 300g of meat, 300g of bread and 300g of e.g. nuts
(as fat source) on 2PD.

But for the cardiologist relying on every mg of LDL your statements are
very, well, unprecise.

Mirek

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Mirek Fidler said:

Quoted message said:

This works out to an average of 300 gms daily intake each of
carbs, proteins and fat for a total daily intake of 900 gms of
food.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

300 gms of protein is less protein than the average intake
(i.e. it is low protein) for most Americans

Note below that Chung says "average typical American intake *probably*
exceeds 1 pound of meat daily" as his index. [asterisk emphasis mine]
He doesn't know, makes an unsubstantiated guess, and equates meat with
protein at 100%.

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but more than adequate amount of protein for addressing
concerns brought up by the Nurse's Health Study.

300 grams of protein is several times

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Dear Andrew, I sense some problem in your calculation.

Please tell what kind of food contains 300gms of
carbs/protein/fat in 900g package.

An assorted variety.

Not responsive. Not accurate. Not a chance unless severely processed.

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Only possibility seems 300gms of protein powder, 300gms of
refined sugar and 300gms of vegetable oil.

Only for the untruthful.

Only for the unscientific. Only for the dissemblers who can't deal
with facts and speak rashly without information. Only for the frauds
who make stupid statements to "win" an argument.

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Am I right that this is the stuff you are supposed to eat on 2PD?

No.

Quoted message said:

And, BTW, 300gms of proteins is WAY too much. Not less than
average intake.

Average typical daily American intake probably

"probably"=guesswork.

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exceeds 1 pound of meat daily (many American folks will routinely
eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just dinner). This would be more than
450 grams.

It would be from 340 to 454 grams of *meat* not protein.

A well-trimmed, raw prime-grade strip steak weighing one pound, 16
ounces - 454 grams - will contain less than 100 grams of protein. It
will contain more than 65% - 300 grams - of water. And about 850
calories. 100 grams of protein=400 cal. 50 grams of fat=450 cal. For a
comparable, cooked-weight, one-pound steak, the balance changes
because of dehydration to about 130 grams protein and 60 grams fat for
actual caloric value of 1110. These numbers will vary significantly
depending on the cut of meat, the animal it comes from and cooked
versus raw weight, but never will they come anywhere near equating
meat=protein.

According to Chung's silly statement, there's apparently no water or
fat or anything else in beef, and the caloric content of that raw
steak would be 1800 calories versus the actual 850.

Now let's watch him fimble and fumble saying that dieters shouldn't be
told the truth and the estimates are valid for weight loss and yadda
yadda...

It's not bad enough that Chung has done his insane mathematics about
calories in bread and potatoes, now it's grams of protein. For him,
meat=protein. Like potatoes=100% carbs. Like bread=4000 cal/2 pounds.

This is how Chung proves, shows, demonstrates his quackery. He
pretends to knowledge he doesn't have and he guesses, all the while
claiming to be a scientist and merely trying to "win" another dispute
of his own making.

Bob

Mirek Fidler said:

Quoted message said:

Average typical daily American intake probably exceeds 1 pound of meat

daily

Quoted message said:

(many American folks will routinely eat a 12-16 oz of steak for just
dinner). This would be more than 450 grams.

OF MEAT.

That is average 120g of protein and 100g of fat (40g saturated, 50g MUFA
and 10g PUFA).

Not for 450 grams of *cooked* lean meat. What you describe as more than 40%
fat (by weight) would not be usual.

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I thought you might want to know it.

It is not clear to me what you want me to know.

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In fact, I would hardly be arguing if you would stated that you are
supposed to eat e.g. 300g of meat, 300g of bread and 300g of e.g. nuts
(as fat source) on 2PD.

I suspect otherwise.

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But for the cardiologist relying on every mg of LDL your statements are
very, well, unprecise.

Your judgment.

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OF MEAT.

That is average 120g of protein and 100g of fat (40g saturated, 50g

MUFA

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and 10g PUFA).

Not for 450 grams of *cooked* lean meat. What you describe as more

than 40%

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fat (by weight) would not be usual.

Well, now you are starting to be precise. Good!

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I thought you might want to know it.

It is not clear to me what you want me to know.

That 450g of meat is not 450g of pure protein. Or, because of course you
know it very well, that your post might made audience think you are
living in such error and that makes you look stupid, which of course you
are not.

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In fact, I would hardly be arguing if you would stated that you are
supposed to eat e.g. 300g of meat, 300g of bread and 300g of e.g.

nuts

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(as fat source) on 2PD.

I suspect otherwise.

Why? While I have some reservation to 2PD, I do not have time and energy
to repeat myself.

But I had to tell you when you look stupid.

BTW, I would think that 2PD would not be such a bad idea, IF you would
make some better rules for including more vegetables. In fact, people
really do not need and should not need to eat more than 2PD of
bread/pasta/meat/.... (add all food groups with more than 1kcal/g or
something like that.

Mirek