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  1. Hey ASDLCers,

    As I believe I've mentioned, one of the great joys of my new location is
    that there's a multi-vendor fish market within comfortable walking
    distance of my building (walking along the waterfront is a perfect cool
    down after my evening swim).

    The problem is that while I'm an adventurous eater, I'm a somewhat timid
    cook. I know what to do with fish sliced into steaks, e.g. tuna, but I
    have no idea what I'd do with eels, or squid or even croaker. So, I've
    been sticking to the stuff I know how to cook or that they'll cook for me,
    which isn't exactly a hardship but woman doesn't live by lobster alone.

    So, does anyone have any recommendations for the complete how to cook fish
    book? I'd prefer something that has an emphasis on the basics of how you
    cook different types of fish (and how you eat them if that might not be
    obvious) rather than a lot of specific recipes. There's a place that will
    clean the fish for you so I don't have to worry about that part, just what
    to do with the fish after it's basically in a state ready to be cooked.

    Another thing that would be useful is if anyone can point me to a list of
    which fish are safe to eat in any quantities and which should be limited
    because of contamination or other issues.

    Thanks,

    Martha who knows that fish is brain food, 'cause look at Jeeves.

    --
    Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can
    go. (T.S. Eliott)

  2. Not sure I can help you with the cooking part, as there are so many fish
    I've never cooked, but I've been an avid fisherman for many years in the
    Great Lakes region. Here as in everywhere, certain fish are labeled as not
    safe to eat in certain quantities. the thing to note here is that the main
    concern is where the fish come from. Lake trout from Lake Michigan are
    labeled as unsafe to eat for the most part, but in other bodies of water,
    they are perfectly safe. The best thing to do is know where the fish are
    coming from. The species is also a concern to a degree, but for example,
    there are several species that are perfectly safe to eat out of the Great
    Lakes. Others are frowned upon. The main reasons that the contamination
    levels differ among different fish are the fish's diet, the fat content of
    the meat, and to some degree, the age of the fish. Fish that are older,
    larger, have a higher fat content and/or feed off the bottom are generally
    more likely to contain contaminants. A good rule of thumb is to always trim
    off the belly fat from the filets or steaks, and also remove the lateral
    line. The is a dark line that runs parallel to the fish's spine, but is on
    the outside of the rib cage and right under the skin. these two areas almost
    always contain higher amounts of the contaminants found in fish. The lateral
    line is easily removed by making a small V cut and lifting the small piece
    out of the groove made with the knife.

    HTH
    Chris

    "Martha Gallagher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hey ASDLCers,

    As I believe I've mentioned, one of the great joys of my new location is
    that there's a multi-vendor fish market within comfortable walking
    distance of my building (walking along the waterfront is a perfect cool
    down after my evening swim).

    The problem is that while I'm an adventurous eater, I'm a somewhat timid
    cook. I know what to do with fish sliced into steaks, e.g. tuna, but I
    have no idea what I'd do with eels, or squid or even croaker. So, I've
    been sticking to the stuff I know how to cook or that they'll cook for me,
    which isn't exactly a hardship but woman doesn't live by lobster alone.

    So, does anyone have any recommendations for the complete how to cook fish
    book? I'd prefer something that has an emphasis on the basics of how you
    cook different types of fish (and how you eat them if that might not be
    obvious) rather than a lot of specific recipes. There's a place that will
    clean the fish for you so I don't have to worry about that part, just what
    to do with the fish after it's basically in a state ready to be cooked.

    Another thing that would be useful is if anyone can point me to a list of
    which fish are safe to eat in any quantities and which should be limited
    because of contamination or other issues.

    Thanks,

    Martha who knows that fish is brain food, 'cause look at Jeeves.

    --
    Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can
    go. (T.S. Eliott)

  3. Martha Gallagher said:


    So, does anyone have any recommendations for the complete how to cook
    fish book? I'd prefer something that has an emphasis on the basics of
    how you cook different types of fish (and how you eat them if that
    might not be obvious) rather than a lot of specific recipes.


    [snip]

    I can't be of much help here, because I am not a big fish person, so I don't
    have what you are looking for in my collection. But: do you have any
    edition of the Joy of Cooking? That's always a good resource for the kind
    of information you are asking for.

    Quoted message said:

    Another thing that would be useful is if anyone can point me to a
    list of which fish are safe to eat in any quantities and which should
    be limited because of contamination or other issues.


    Have a look at Monterey Bay Aquarium's Seafood Watch program.
    http://www.mbayaq.org/cr/seafoodwatch.asp They have online and downloadable
    cards that can help you select fish based upon environmental (and to a
    lesser extent, health) concerns. They have national and regional cards. On
    the online version, if you click on the name of a fish, you can learn more
    about why it was placed where it was on the chart.

    --
    carla
    http://geekofalltrades.typepad.com/geek

  4. "carla" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Have a look at Monterey Bay Aquarium's Seafood Watch program.
    http://www.mbayaq.org/cr/seafoodwatch.asp They have online and


    downloadable

    Quoted message said:

    cards that can help you select fish based upon environmental (and to a
    lesser extent, health) concerns. They have national and regional cards.


    On

    Quoted message said:

    the online version, if you click on the name of a fish, you can learn more
    about why it was placed where it was on the chart.

    Wow, thanks. This is a great resource!

    HG

  5. Martha Gallagher wrote:
    <snipped>

    Quoted message said:

    I have no idea what I'd do with eels, or squid or even croaker.


    <snipped>

    All fish are good for steaming or poaching or baking (wrapped in tin foil placed
    in oven like Jamie Oliver always does). Don't know about croakers (what are
    they anyway?) but I know about eeeeels coz I used to eat them a lot when I was
    in Hong Kong.

    You can chop the eeeel into inch long chunks, arrange the chunks on a plate (it
    doesn't matter whether the skin part is facing you or the flesh part is facing
    you), cover them with crushed black beans and garlic and steam it. Once they're
    cooked, put some freshly sliced spring onions and pour hot oil over it. Do not
    use ginger on fish that spend lots of time squiggling around in the bottom of
    the sea, I was told that using ginger on them would bring out a soil like taste
    from creatures who spend too much time in soil/sand.

    My mum has this theory that you should place some spring onions on the plate
    before you place the fish on them, saying that gives the fish better texture,
    less tough, she says.

    Squids - calamari breaded with pork rinds????????? You can use them in stir fry
    too.

  6. Ada Ma said:

    Squids - calamari breaded with pork rinds????????? You can use them in stir fry
    too.

    Maybe one day I'll get up the nerve to try calamari. (My only use for
    them to date is fish bait for catching grouper!)

  7. sh0rtcircuit (Deb) said:
    Ada Ma said:

    Squids - calamari breaded with pork rinds????????? You can use them in stir fry
    too.

    Maybe one day I'll get up the nerve to try calamari. (My only use for
    them to date is fish bait for catching grouper!)

    Properly cooked, calamari melts in the mouth and is wonderful. Poorly
    cooked and it's like chewing rubber bands. Fortunately I have a
    restaurant nearby that cooks it beautifully. Well, I did - they're
    currently closed for kitchen renovations <WAH>. I can't wait until
    they open again.

    They did a MEAN beef-and-reef. Steak (I like mine still mooing)
    topped with lightly pan-tossed calamari, scallops and prawns (big
    shrimp). Heavenly with a crisp green salad.

    Aramanth

  8. Aramanth Dawe said:
    sh0rtcircuit (Deb) said:
    Ada Ma said:

    Squids - calamari breaded with pork rinds????????? You can use them in stir fry
    too.

    Maybe one day I'll get up the nerve to try calamari. (My only use for
    them to date is fish bait for catching grouper!)

    Properly cooked, calamari melts in the mouth and is wonderful. Poorly
    cooked and it's like chewing rubber bands. Fortunately I have a
    restaurant nearby that cooks it beautifully. Well, I did - they're
    currently closed for kitchen renovations <WAH>. I can't wait until
    they open again.

    They did a MEAN beef-and-reef. Steak (I like mine still mooing)
    topped with lightly pan-tossed calamari, scallops and prawns (big
    shrimp). Heavenly with a crisp green salad.

    Aramanth

    You do make calamari sound delicious. I would definitely have to try
    it prepared by a good seafood chef (I'm *not* one). Surf & turf is our
    term for your beef-and-reef, and it's my favorite meal. I like my
    steak "still mooing," too.

    Sh0rtcircuit (Deb)

  9. Martha Gallagher <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    So, does anyone have any recommendations for the complete how to cook fish
    book?

    I've got Cookwise (Shirley O. Corriher author) right next to me here,
    it's got a lot of good information in it. From the index (I left out
    the page numbers):

    Fish
    At a glance summary chart
    Bones in
    Cooked, internal temperature of
    'cooking' of, by citrus juice
    ....some recipies
    fish stock
    grain of flesh of
    marinating
    muscles of
    poaching
    rigor in
    steaming
    substitutions of species of
    tenderness of
    also see specific types of fish

  10. Werdna said:

    Martha Gallagher <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    So, does anyone have any recommendations for the complete how to cook fish
    book?

    I've got Cookwise (Shirley O. Corriher author) right next to me here,
    it's got a lot of good information in it. From the index (I left out
    the page numbers):

    Fish
    At a glance summary chart

    Cool. Both this and Joy of Cooking are now on my list to pick up when I
    see them. When I stopped in Olssons, what did I see on the shelf but Mark
    Bittman's Complete Guide to Buying and Cooking Fish. Being a major Bittman
    fan, I naturally picked it up. It looks to be a major resource for me.

    The one thing I'm still missing is a comprehensive list of which fish are
    safe to eat. There are a number of sites that rank mercury buildup, but it
    seems other contaminants vary too widely according to where the fish were
    caught. I guess I'll stick mostly to the smaller fish as they seem to be
    less impacted overall. I was a little bummed to note that lobster was
    fairly high on the list, but one of the sites mentioned that the meat is
    actually safe, you should just avoid the green stuff. While I like the
    green stuff, if that's the only thing making lobster risky, I guess I can
    pass on it.

    Thanks to all,
    Martha

    --
    "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can
    go." -- T.S. Eliot

  11. For salmon fillets we do this:

    Preheat bbq to hot, then turn down to low.

    Place water *saturated* hickory chips in tin foil bowl on briquets.

    When wood starts to smoke place fillet on tin foil on bbq rack. (Fillet
    should have been rubbed with garlic and onion powder and black pepper
    before).

    When meat is almost finished (check by trying to seperate with a fork
    and by look/color, it should be flakey and spongy with almost no visible
    moisture) smear top side with parsley flakes that were saturated with
    melted butter. (Amount varies based on taste and size of fish, but you
    want to cover the top of the fish almost completely with it.)

    Turn off grill and let sit in hot grill for 10-15 minutes.

    The skin should stick to the tin foil and let you lift the meat right
    off onto a serving platter.

    Not fancy, but probably our favorite way to have fish.

    Lurker

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