restoring rain jackets

<< This indicated that the durable water repellant treatment ("DWR"😉 was
worn down. So the next step was to re-apply the DWR. There are two
ways to do this -- either get a spray-on version or a wash-in. I went
for the spray-on. >>

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Allen Greenman   September 17, 2004

I have owned my Beaufort for nearly 10 years and it has aged just beautifully.
Caught in a storm just the other day it held off the rain like it was new. I
never have re-treated my Beaufort. Forest walks with bramble thorns, and
scrapes against stone have done little damage. This remarkable coat will travel
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Settle down Buttercup...........it's only water.

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Settle down Buttercup...........it's only water. >>

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<Settle down Buttercup...........it's only water. >

"A type of small wildflower with a yellow bloom, 1777, from a merger of two
older names, gold-cups and butterflower."

Wearing a necklace of bright green, tender leaves, the size and scent of
wintergreen mint, a spray of buttercups splashed precariously -- but
effervescently -- around wrought iron breakfast table, sited thoughtfully next
to reflecting pool, now dappeled with early morning light.

A basquet of croisant, a silver pitcher de cafe, strawberry preserves, and
creme frassche arranged themselves, with due care, for breakfast diners. Linen
napkins, each rolled into a sterling sliver napkin ring, each ring monogramed
with its owner's monogram, readied themselves for a dap, strawberry-stained
lips, a spot of misapplied cream.

Sparkling water...poured, laced with fresh-squeezed orange juice, into tall,
slender Waterford glasses...

Morning Wood ~
8 am ~
Reflecting pool ~
Breakfast Served.
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<Settle down Buttercup...........it's only water. >

"A type of small wildflower with a yellow bloom, 1777, from a merger of two
older names, gold-cups and butterflower."

Wearing a necklace of bright green, tender leaves, the size and scent of
wintergreen mint, a spray of buttercups splashed precariously -- but
effervescently -- around wrought iron breakfast table, sited thoughtfully next
to reflecting pool, now dappled with early morning light.

A basquet of croissant, a silver pitcher de cafe, strawberry preserves, and
creme frassche arranged themselves, with due care, for breakfast diners. Linen
napkins, each rolled into a sterling sliver napkin ring, each ring monogramed
with its owner's monogram, readied themselves for a dap, strawberry-stained
lips, a spot of misapplied cream.

Sparkling water...poured, laced with fresh-squeezed orange juice, into tall,
slender Waterford glasses...

Morning Wood ~
8 am ~
Reflecting pool ~
Breakfast Served.
Start Your Morning Well.

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Donovan Rebbechi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

After my jacket had taken a winter of abuse,

Fer gawds sakes Donnie? Man, can't you see you need help? First your
socks, then when they got stuck together, you moved on to your winter
jacket? No offense man, but your sick. Please get counseling before
this leads to something even more serious, like say adult diaper
abuse.

Donovan Rebbechi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

After my jacket had taken a winter of abuse, I found that it was
no longer waterproof, perhaps not even worthy of the term "water
resistant". (...)

You don´t mention giving the jacket an ironing or a heat
treatment in the tumble dryer. Depending on the treatment,
it alone can do the trick of reproofing the garment.

Anders

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

After looking into it, I first washed the garment.

Is there some reason you waited so long to wash it? The material may
repel moisture but this does not mean that sweat does not adhere to the
inside and hold a funky smelly residue. I tend to wash mine after a run
or two(cold water etc).

Quoted message said:

This indicated that the durable water repellant treatment ("DWR"😉 was
worn down. So the next step was to re-apply the DWR. There are two
ways to do this -- either get a spray-on version or a wash-in. I went
for the spray-on.

I have a very old gortex jacket that needs to be retreated, is there any
particular store or family of stores that sells DWR?

-DougF

Quoted message said:

I have a very old gortex jacket that needs to be retreated

df, how many seasons of service did you get out of that jacket? do you run in
a actual jacket (layered, etc.) or a shell?

my stay-warm strategy is centered on simple basic cheap thermal tops w/a
running shell on top. i feel no upper body restriction w/this. i have a ton
of shells but no gortex shell. i'm thinking about sprining for a quality
gortex shell this year.

i just gotta wrap my head around spending $150-$300 on a quality shell suitable
for running.

is "restoring" really cost effective? might you just be throwing good money in
a bad directon? does anyone know of a retreated jacket actually performing
close to as new for a few more seasons?

Doug Freese said:

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

After looking into it, I first washed the garment.

Is there some reason you waited so long to wash it? The material may

I'd washed it before.

Quoted message said:

repel moisture but this does not mean that sweat does not adhere to the
inside and hold a funky smelly residue. I tend to wash mine after a run
or two(cold water etc).

I don't sweat much -- I only wear it when it's cold.

Quoted message said:

I have a very old gortex jacket that needs to be retreated, is there any
particular store or family of stores that sells DWR?

campmor.com (Nikwax)

altrec.com also has similar items.

so does REI.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Lanceandrew said:

Quoted message said:

I have a very old gortex jacket that needs to be retreated

df, how many seasons of service did you get out of that jacket? do you run in
a actual jacket (layered, etc.) or a shell?

my stay-warm strategy is centered on simple basic cheap thermal tops w/a
running shell on top. i feel no upper body restriction w/this. i have a ton
of shells but no gortex shell. i'm thinking about sprining for a quality
gortex shell this year.

I'd recommend going with a windproof top instead. These are more breathable
than a rain jacket, and also give you enough protection for light rain. Out
of all the garments in my running wardrobe, the one that's given me the most
bang for buck is the sporthill explorer top. One layer, and it's good down 10
degrees or so.

Quoted message said:

i just gotta wrap my head around spending $150-$300 on a quality shell
suitable for running.

Not necessary to spend anywhere near this much, you could get one of those
flashy marmot or arcteryx jackets of ebay for that sort of money but I take it
that's not what you had in mind. Insport's Goretex jacket goes for $99- on
their website.

But what makes you think a goretex shell would be any better anyway (for you,
I mean) ? It's not going to be any more breathable than a cheap poly jacket.

Quoted message said:

is "restoring" really cost effective? might you just be throwing good money
in a bad directon?

Put it this way -- it costs about $5- to treat a garment.

Quoted message said:

does anyone know of a retreated jacket actually performing
close to as new for a few more seasons?

Good question. Read the reviews for Nikwax on altrec.com

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Doug Freese said:

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

After looking into it, I first washed the garment.

Is there some reason you waited so long to wash it? The material may
repel moisture but this does not mean that sweat does not adhere to the
inside and hold a funky smelly residue. I tend to wash mine after a run
or two(cold water etc).

More importantly, at least with some fabrics (and I don't remember which
ones since I haven't kept up with things), the dirt affects the
waterproof ability of the fabric.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This indicated that the durable water repellant treatment ("DWR"😉 was
worn down. So the next step was to re-apply the DWR. There are two
ways to do this -- either get a spray-on version or a wash-in. I went
for the spray-on.

I have a very old gortex jacket that needs to be retreated, is there any
particular store or family of stores that sells DWR?

Most outdoor stores, like REI, will have some, but you might want to
check the directions that came with your jacket (yea, I know 😉 since
some work better than others on certain fabrics. While some of this
might also be name-brand pushing, some of the explanations I've seen do
seem to make sense.

http://tinyurl.com/4pxa3

Here's a couple sets of directions and other people's experiences
http://www.getlostmagazine.com/mcbee/2000/0003wp/wp.html
http://www.go4awalk.com/gear/aftercare.php

If you wash a gore-tex jacket with breathable liner in some dwr
treatment, it may also coat the liner, thus reducing what little bit of
breathability there is. The liners vary a lot among the different
fabrics / garments.

My gore-tex doesn't get used enough to worry about it. Actually, if it's
cold enough for my gore-tex, it's too cold for rain where I am (unless
freezing rain) 😉 (Winter ultras up here recommend against gore-tex
because of it's lack of breathability, although newer versions may be
more breathable.) Although I did notice in a store the other day, that
some newer versions are much lighter than my 3-yr old jacket.

YMMV.

Dot

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"Lanceandrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have a very old gortex jacket that needs to be retreated

df, how many seasons of service did you get out of that jacket?

Did? I still use it. I'd say it's likely 15 years old - an old Sub-4
Gortex. I also have a reletivcely new Bill Rogers Gortex.

Quoted message said:

do you run in a actual jacket (layered, etc.) or a shell?

On cold days like 10 to -15F or 30-40 and raining, I wear Gortex. With
the repellent nature of the old one questionalble, I don't wear it when
liquid comes down. Under the jacket I wear Drylene, Drylite to wick
away. If it's real cold I may wear a thin thermal poly yada on top of
the Dry*. My winter runs are up to 5 hours and I'm very comfortable.

FWIW, I hands are very sensitive to cold and wear and excessively heavy
mittens.

Quoted message said:

my stay-warm strategy is centered on simple basic cheap thermal tops
w/a
running shell on top. i feel no upper body restriction w/this. i
have a ton
of shells but no gortex shell. i'm thinking about sprining for a
quality
gortex shell this year.

I could probbaly wear a bunch of thermal tops and a shell but never if
it was going to rain/snow.

Quoted message said:

i just gotta wrap my head around spending $150-$300 on a quality shell
suitable
for running.

I understand. I droped a hint to Santa some years back. The best time
to buy one is in March, before they close their books for taxes.

Quoted message said:

is "restoring" really cost effective? might you just be throwing good
money in
a bad directon?

I'm going to wear the old jacket for another 20 years and the new one
for 30 that gets me to 90 and I don't think I'll worry past that. If
the stuff in under $10 I'll give it a try. If over I'll stay the course.

-DF

Doug Freese said:

"Lanceandrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

i just gotta wrap my head around spending $150-$300 on a quality shell
suitable
for running.

I understand. I droped a hint to Santa some years back. The best time
to buy one is in March, before they close their books for taxes.

End-of-season closeouts is a great time to get stuff for about 30-60%
off. My first year I got stuff to get by on, and have been acquiring
some better gear at sale prices as time goes by, and I find the limiting
factors of the cheap stuff. But those same limiting factors may also be
present in the expensive stuff. For me, it's a matter of identifying
weaknesses, then filling in those gaps at 1/2 price 😉 None of my new
gear is worth full price, but at 1/2 price, it works 😉 (weight, bulk,
breathability are the main issues I'm trying to improve on)

Dot

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"So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog

Doug Freese said:

"Lanceandrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

i just gotta wrap my head around spending $150-$300 on a quality shell
suitable
for running.

I understand. I droped a hint to Santa some years back. The best time
to buy one is in March, before they close their books for taxes.

End-of-season closeouts is a great time to get stuff for about 30-60%
off. My first year I got stuff to get by on, and have been acquiring
some better gear at sale prices as time goes by, and I find the limiting
factors of the cheap stuff. But those same limiting factors may also be
present in the expensive stuff. For me, it's a matter of identifying
weaknesses, then filling in those gaps at 1/2 price 😉 None of my new
gear is worth full price, but at 1/2 price, it works 😉 (weight, bulk,
breathability are the main issues I'm trying to improve on)

Dot

--
"So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog

Doug Freese said:

"Lanceandrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

i just gotta wrap my head around spending $150-$300 on a quality shell
suitable
for running.

I understand. I droped a hint to Santa some years back. The best time
to buy one is in March, before they close their books for taxes.

End-of-season closeouts is a great time to get stuff for about 30-60%
off. My first year I got stuff to get by on, and have been acquiring
some better gear at sale prices as time goes by, and I find the limiting
factors of the cheap stuff. But those same limiting factors may also be
present in the expensive stuff. For me, it's a matter of identifying
weaknesses, then filling in those gaps at 1/2 price 😉 None of my new
gear is worth full price, but at 1/2 price, it works 😉 (weight, bulk,
breathability are the main issues I'm trying to improve on)

Dot

--
"So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog

Lanceandrew said:

i just gotta wrap my head around spending $150-$300 on a quality shell suitable
for running.

no, check this out, $59.99:

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