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  1. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you think that 6 days a week you are "unfree" but for one cherished


    day you have "freedom", dieting will get you nowhere.

    What is the reason for your plan to drop weight. Do you want to look
    good, to live long, to feel better, or what?<<

    I so agree with that - when I started LCing at the advice of my doctor, I fully
    intended eating pasta (my personal weekness) at least 3 times a week (as
    opposed to 7). I have not had regular pasta in two and a half months, since I
    knew full well I wouldn't be able to control myself. I have had, however, the
    Dreamfields, which I religously measured out. I was able to eat my one serving
    and was satisfied.

  2. I will try dreamfields.

    I was kind of disappointed at the initial response of some people here. I'm
    a beginner asking for advice and the response seemed to be that I'm a loser
    that doesn't know diddly. This was actually why I was asking for help. If
    I was a pro no carber, I could understand. I said that I had only invested
    two weeks and that I am willing to learn.

    "Acertaingirl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you think that 6 days a week you are "unfree" but for one cherished


    day you have "freedom", dieting will get you nowhere.

    What is the reason for your plan to drop weight. Do you want to look
    good, to live long, to feel better, or what?<<

    I so agree with that - when I started LCing at the advice of my doctor, I


    fully

    Quoted message said:

    intended eating pasta (my personal weekness) at least 3 times a week (as
    opposed to 7). I have not had regular pasta in two and a half months,


    since I

    Quoted message said:

    knew full well I wouldn't be able to control myself. I have had, however,


    the

    Quoted message said:

    Dreamfields, which I religously measured out. I was able to eat my one


    serving

    Quoted message said:

    and was satisfied.

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  3. On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:48:56 -0400, Mary Hogan <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I will try dreamfields.

    I was kind of disappointed at the initial response of some people here.
    I'm
    a beginner asking for advice and the response seemed to be that I'm a
    loser
    that doesn't know diddly. This was actually why I was asking for help.
    If
    I was a pro no carber, I could understand. I said that I had only
    invested
    two weeks and that I am willing to learn.

    If you're at all addicted to carbs, keep on Induction (less than 20 grams
    a day) for at least two weeks or even a month. During this time, I
    recommend not eating any fake foods (like low carb chocolate) and
    definitely do not eat anything that you think will cause cravings. For
    instance, if you're a choco-holic, don't eat low carb chocolate; if you
    love ice cream, don't eat low carb ice cream. Once you go a certain time
    on induction, then begin raising your carb level, preferably by adding
    vegetables and certain fruits into the scheme of things.

    You will be able to have cake at times, but those times aren't in the
    first two weeks or even few months of low carbing. And that time depends
    on how addicted to carbs you are -- if you're not addicted and have no
    "trigger foods," you can get away with a shorter time.

    --
    Bob in CT
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  4. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I will try dreamfields.

    I was kind of disappointed at the initial response of some people here. I'm
    a beginner asking for advice and the response seemed to be that I'm a loser
    that doesn't know diddly. This was actually why I was asking for help. If
    I was a pro no carber, I could understand. I said that I had only invested
    two weeks and that I am willing to learn.<<

    The Dreamfields is excellent, my husband and I could taste no difference
    between it and regular. Be careful of the cooking directions, if you leave it
    in for what they recommend, it comes out mushy. Test it before the time listed
    on the box.

    I don't have to tell you that losing weight isn't easy. Ignore the critics,
    there are some very helpful people here, you will learn who they are after
    awhile.

    Good luck to you Mary!

  5. Is that net carbs and what are net carbs?

    "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:48:56 -0400, Mary Hogan <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I will try dreamfields.

    I was kind of disappointed at the initial response of some people here.
    I'm
    a beginner asking for advice and the response seemed to be that I'm a
    loser
    that doesn't know diddly. This was actually why I was asking for help.
    If
    I was a pro no carber, I could understand. I said that I had only
    invested
    two weeks and that I am willing to learn.

    If you're at all addicted to carbs, keep on Induction (less than 20 grams
    a day) for at least two weeks or even a month. During this time, I
    recommend not eating any fake foods (like low carb chocolate) and
    definitely do not eat anything that you think will cause cravings. For
    instance, if you're a choco-holic, don't eat low carb chocolate; if you
    love ice cream, don't eat low carb ice cream. Once you go a certain time
    on induction, then begin raising your carb level, preferably by adding
    vegetables and certain fruits into the scheme of things.

    You will be able to have cake at times, but those times aren't in the
    first two weeks or even few months of low carbing. And that time depends
    on how addicted to carbs you are -- if you're not addicted and have no
    "trigger foods," you can get away with a shorter time.

    --
    Bob in CT
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  6. Thank you, I hope I was too crusty.

    "Acertaingirl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I will try dreamfields.

    I was kind of disappointed at the initial response of some people here.


    I'm

    Quoted message said:

    a beginner asking for advice and the response seemed to be that I'm a


    loser

    Quoted message said:

    that doesn't know diddly. This was actually why I was asking for help.


    If

    Quoted message said:

    I was a pro no carber, I could understand. I said that I had only


    invested

    Quoted message said:

    two weeks and that I am willing to learn.<<

    The Dreamfields is excellent, my husband and I could taste no difference
    between it and regular. Be careful of the cooking directions, if you leave


    it

    Quoted message said:

    in for what they recommend, it comes out mushy. Test it before the time


    listed

    Quoted message said:

    on the box.

    I don't have to tell you that losing weight isn't easy. Ignore the


    critics,

    Quoted message said:

    there are some very helpful people here, you will learn who they are after
    awhile.

    Good luck to you Mary!

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  7. On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:05:36 -0400, Mary Hogan <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Is that net carbs and what are net carbs?

    Net carbs are the carbs after subtracting out the fiber. Total carbs -
    fiber = net carbs. However, many companies are using this term rather
    loosely. Those things that the companies say do not contribute to blood
    sugar are considered not to contribute to "net carbs." I follow the rule
    that the only thing that can be subtracted from total carbs is fiber.
    Anything else really is a carb. Having said that, I do still eat a low
    carb bar (not chocolate bar, though) every once in a while, and these
    might be the worst offenders for the "net carb" calculation.

    --
    Bob in CT
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  8. Mary Hogan said:

    I will try dreamfields.

    Quoted message said:

    I was kind of disappointed at the initial response of some people here. I'm
    a beginner asking for advice and the response seemed to be that I'm a loser
    that doesn't know diddly. This was actually why I was asking for help. If
    I was a pro no carber, I could understand. I said that I had only invested
    two weeks and that I am willing to learn.

    Don't take it to heart, Mary. It's just like all our Mamas told us,
    "consider the source". Just like real life, you quickly learn who is
    well-meaning and worth listening to and who's just mouthing off.

    My advice as someone who's stared down that long road of a three-figure
    weight loss, too, is to work on developing a more utilitarian attitude
    towards food. I learned very fast that if I got into the mindset that I
    deserved a 'treat', especially if the treat was sweet or bread or beer, it
    was way too easy to go over even the most strictly self-imposed limits.

    The important thing, especially for the first few months, is to stay away
    from anything with actual, real sugar in it. If you're like me, and you
    crave bread, avoid it completely, too. There is almost no way to reduce
    the cravings except to go cold turkey. When I started, I probably
    single-handedly affected the sales figures at my local Krispy Kreme and it
    wasn't easy! I had to stop carrying cash and change my route to work.

    It's hard to beat the treat mentality. I found that if I put in a stash
    of special but legal treats, things I really loved but that were either
    too expensive or rare to have often, I had something for those times when
    I really couldn't talk myself out of 'deserving' a treat. Then I'd hit my
    secret stash of Macadamia nuts or homemade smoked salmon.

    The other important part of setting yourself up for success is to remove
    sources of temptation. The single best way to beat a craving is not to
    have anything around to feed it with! Make it logistically harder to eat
    things you know you shouldn't.

    A buddy and fellow LCer has a car where the driver's side window is broken
    and won't roll down. He swears he didn't do it on purpose but that he's
    leaving it broken because it keeps him from casual drivethru misbehavior.
    That's a bit extreme, but it's an example of how you can arrange your
    environment to set yourself up for success.

    Learn all you can, read and ask questions, find what works best for you,
    be patient, and hang in there.

    Dan
    325/215/180
    Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
    Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

  9. Thank you, Dan.

    The funny thing about craving I really haven't been craving because I do
    love the rib steak and the cheese. And I like the cheese omelet in the
    morning.

    "Daniel Hoffmeister" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Mary Hogan said:

    I will try dreamfields.

    Quoted message said:

    I was kind of disappointed at the initial response of some people here.


    I'm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a beginner asking for advice and the response seemed to be that I'm a


    loser

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that doesn't know diddly. This was actually why I was asking for help.


    If

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was a pro no carber, I could understand. I said that I had only


    invested

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    two weeks and that I am willing to learn.

    Don't take it to heart, Mary. It's just like all our Mamas told us,
    "consider the source". Just like real life, you quickly learn who is
    well-meaning and worth listening to and who's just mouthing off.

    My advice as someone who's stared down that long road of a three-figure
    weight loss, too, is to work on developing a more utilitarian attitude
    towards food. I learned very fast that if I got into the mindset that I
    deserved a 'treat', especially if the treat was sweet or bread or beer, it
    was way too easy to go over even the most strictly self-imposed limits.

    The important thing, especially for the first few months, is to stay away
    from anything with actual, real sugar in it. If you're like me, and you
    crave bread, avoid it completely, too. There is almost no way to reduce
    the cravings except to go cold turkey. When I started, I probably
    single-handedly affected the sales figures at my local Krispy Kreme and it
    wasn't easy! I had to stop carrying cash and change my route to work.

    It's hard to beat the treat mentality. I found that if I put in a stash
    of special but legal treats, things I really loved but that were either
    too expensive or rare to have often, I had something for those times when
    I really couldn't talk myself out of 'deserving' a treat. Then I'd hit my
    secret stash of Macadamia nuts or homemade smoked salmon.

    The other important part of setting yourself up for success is to remove
    sources of temptation. The single best way to beat a craving is not to
    have anything around to feed it with! Make it logistically harder to eat
    things you know you shouldn't.

    A buddy and fellow LCer has a car where the driver's side window is broken
    and won't roll down. He swears he didn't do it on purpose but that he's
    leaving it broken because it keeps him from casual drivethru misbehavior.
    That's a bit extreme, but it's an example of how you can arrange your
    environment to set yourself up for success.

    Learn all you can, read and ask questions, find what works best for you,
    be patient, and hang in there.

    Dan
    325/215/180
    Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
    Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

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  10. Thank you Dr. Brian.

    "Dr. Brian Leverich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Oh, four other, related pieces of advice.

    Consider taking a high-quality multi-vitamin as part of the diet.
    It's a little hard to define what "high-quality" means, but it's a
    pretty safe bet that any vitamin that provides only 100% or less of
    the RDAs is not adequate. (RDAs are based on what you need to avoid
    deficiency sicknesses, and are often well below the amounts that are
    optimal for health.)

    Second, consider substantially increasing your fiber intake. I use
    psyllium husk powder mixed in water. While it's kinda yukky from a
    conceptual standpoint, I find taking a teaspoon or two dissolved in a
    glass of water before meals tends to suppress my hunger and help meals
    settle. (BTW, adjusting to fiber can be a bit of an experience if
    you've been eating like I had been. Figure a week or two for
    everything to settle down.)

    Third, DRINK WATER. DRINK LOTS OF WATER.

    Fourth, monitor your caffeine intake. I used to be a humongous coffee
    drinker -- I could get really wired on coffee and donuts. Since I've
    been low-carbing, excessive amounts of coffee don't work for me. (The
    silver lining is that I no longer have sugar crashes and, in fact,
    seem to be wired most of the time with very little caffeine and no
    sugar at all ... )

    Cheers, Wolf.

    --
    Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L
    Hundred Peaks Section Webmaster http://angeles.sierraclub.org/hps/
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  11. I like no salt soda water. Does that count?

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    Third, DRINK WATER. DRINK LOTS OF WATER.

    I second that! Get a nice Nalgene water bottle. No plastic after taste


    and

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    you can freeze a 16 oz block to keep it cold.

    Regards,
    Gunn

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  12. Nope it is soda and carbonated. Water is needed to flush the system.

    Regards,
    Gunn

    "Mary Hogan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I like no salt soda water. Does that count?

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    Quoted message said:


    "Dr. Brian Leverich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Third, DRINK WATER. DRINK LOTS OF WATER.

    I second that! Get a nice Nalgene water bottle. No plastic after taste


    and

    Quoted message said:

    you can freeze a 16 oz block to keep it cold.

    Regards,
    Gunn

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  13. Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Acertaingirl)

    Quoted message said:

    when I started LCing at the advice of my doctor, I fully
    intended eating pasta (my personal weekness) at least 3 times a week (as
    opposed to 7). I have not had regular pasta in two and a half months, since I
    knew full well I wouldn't be able to control myself. I have had, however, the
    Dreamfields, which I religously measured out. I was able to eat my one
    serving
    and was satisfied.

    I had a similar view. I thought that when I got to maintenance, I'd allow
    myself pasta once a week and a sweet dessert once a week. Now that I'm there,
    I think I've had two half-portions of pasta since May, and the darkest
    chocolate I can find around my TOM. Otherwise, these foods do not interest me
    at all any more.

    To the OP: freedom is not having the foods that contributed to your weight
    problem. Freedom is eating something healthier and enjoying it more than you
    ever enjoyed the problematic foods. Good luck getting there. You can do it,
    but you have to make it your first priority in life.

    Daria
    166/under 145/under 145
    sugar-free since 2/1/04
    low-carb since 2/17/04

  14. Bob in CT said:


    If you're at all addicted to carbs, keep on Induction (less than 20
    grams a day) for at least two weeks or even a month. During this
    time, I recommend not eating any fake foods (like low carb chocolate)
    and definitely do not eat anything that you think will cause
    cravings.

    Note that in the YMMV category the above advice has never worked for me but
    only led to major binging. Only by allowing myself the occasionally LC
    treats can I stick with the program. Seven months now and counting, down 38
    pounds, exercising 4-5 times a week.
    --
    Debbie

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