Re: Workout question

Alibi Studios wrote:
::: What would be the best type of weight lifting regimen for me to add
::: to my cardio for the simple goal of losing weight and bodyfat?
::: Adding muscle size can wait until I am at my goal weight and add
::: some calories back in. What do you recommend?
:::
::: BTW I work out alone, so I need to avoid anything that needs a
::: spotter =)
::
:: Dave
::
:: If the weights are very heavy (hard to lift) this causes you to gain
:: muscles mass and certainly strength. If you do many reps/sets of
:: medium to moderate weight it has an aerobic effect and you will lose
:: fat, while maintaining or slightly increasing muscle mass.

No. Simply lifting heavy weights won't cause one to gain mass. Also, doing
many reps/sets at a certain weight won't necessarily result in fat loss.

::
:: Plus i've noticed it in my own body. If I want more defined muscles I
:: power lift (as powerful as a 5 foot female can be) If I want to drop
:: some weight I increase my reps and sets but decrease my weights.
::
:: Dave i hope this is useful to you. This is what my trainer told me to
:: tell you.

I hope you don't spend too much money with your trainer, Patti.

::
:: Patti
::
::
:: Patricia Glover
:: Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
:: photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
:: Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
:: http://www.alibistudios.com
:: http://www.alibimusic.com

Quoted message said:

I hope you don't spend too much money with your trainer, Patti.

::

Nope, haven't used a PT in 7 years, she was standing there waiting for
her next appointment when I posed the question to her. I trust that
all of the trophies she's won (that are proudly displayed in the gym)
have something to do with her knowledge of the body and training
techniques.

and since she must be wrong about this I'm guessing the fact that I
saw the results in action with my own body is an illusion???

I am a svelte 122 pounds of well defined muscle on a 5 foot frame.
here's a pic in case you want to look.
http://www.alibistudios.com/author.html

finally I'd like to quote the most intelligent man I've ever had a
conversation with.

"Mistrust arguments from authority. Compare as many arguments as you
can. Note what prediction they make for the future, which ones are
vague, which ones are precise, which ones are subject to human
fallibility? Take into account that not one of them is perfect. Then
simply choose the one that in a FAIR comparison works. If methods are
superior in quite separate and independent fields, we are of course
free to choose several -- but not if they contradict one another. Far
from being idolatry, this is the means by which we can distinguish the
false idols from the real thing"
[Dr. Carl Sagan]

Patti

Patricia Glover
Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
http://www.alibistudios.com
http://www.alibimusic.com

Ray wrote:
:: Funny how you've managed to reply to 2 different posts only to cut
:: down and critize instead of actually giving advice.

You just did the same thing, Ray. However, in the second post (the one to
which you replied) I was not critizing, I was just correcting a point.
Lifting heavy weights in a routine isn't all that is required to grow and
doing lots of reps and sets isn't what it takes to make one lose fat. You
can grasp that notion? It's an important concept to get if you want a
successful program.

::
:: What makes you the all mighty expert anyhow to say that everybody
:: else is wrong? Please prove your credentials or STFU (Shut The [censored]
:: Up).

What credentials would you accept? When did I say that everybody else is
wrong?

::
::
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Alibi Studios wrote:
:::::: What would be the best type of weight lifting regimen for me to
:::::: add to my cardio for the simple goal of losing weight and
:::::: bodyfat? Adding muscle size can wait until I am at my goal
:::::: weight and add some calories back in. What do you recommend?
::::::
:::::: BTW I work out alone, so I need to avoid anything that needs a
:::::: spotter =)
:::::
::::: Dave
:::::
::::: If the weights are very heavy (hard to lift) this causes you to
::::: gain muscles mass and certainly strength. If you do many
::::: reps/sets of medium to moderate weight it has an aerobic effect
::::: and you will lose fat, while maintaining or slightly increasing
::::: muscle mass.
:::
::: No. Simply lifting heavy weights won't cause one to gain mass.
::: Also, doing many reps/sets at a certain weight won't necessarily
::: result in fat loss.
:::
:::::
::::: Plus i've noticed it in my own body. If I want more defined
::::: muscles I power lift (as powerful as a 5 foot female can be) If I
::::: want to drop some weight I increase my reps and sets but decrease
::::: my weights.
:::::
::::: Dave i hope this is useful to you. This is what my trainer told
::::: me to tell you.
:::
::: I hope you don't spend too much money with your trainer, Patti.
:::
:::::
::::: Patti
:::::
:::::
::::: Patricia Glover
::::: Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
::::: photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
::::: Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
::::: http://www.alibistudios.com
::::: http://www.alibimusic.com

Alibi Studios wrote:
::: I hope you don't spend too much money with your trainer, Patti.
:::
:::::
::
:: Nope, haven't used a PT in 7 years, she was standing there waiting
:: for her next appointment when I posed the question to her. I trust
:: that all of the trophies she's won (that are proudly displayed in
:: the gym) have something to do with her knowledge of the body and
:: training techniques.

Then perhaps she was distracted or just assumed some knowledge that you
didn't have, or had forgotten.

::
:: and since she must be wrong about this I'm guessing the fact that I
:: saw the results in action with my own body is an illusion???

Not at all. However, what you put into words was just not accurate. I'm
sure you did more than just use lots of reps and sets to reach your goal.
Perhaps you can tell us what you also did?

::
:: I am a svelte 122 pounds of well defined muscle on a 5 foot frame.
:: here's a pic in case you want to look.
:: http://www.alibistudios.com/author.html

You look nice in your pic, but it doesn't show your well defined muscle.
But still, I'll believe you.

::
:: finally I'd like to quote the most intelligent man I've ever had a
:: conversation with.
::
:: "Mistrust arguments from authority.

I like that one most. I wonder if you might consider using it.

Compare as many arguments as you
:: can. Note what prediction they make for the future, which ones are
:: vague, which ones are precise, which ones are subject to human
:: fallibility? Take into account that not one of them is perfect. Then
:: simply choose the one that in a FAIR comparison works. If methods are
:: superior in quite separate and independent fields, we are of course
:: free to choose several -- but not if they contradict one another. Far
:: from being idolatry, this is the means by which we can distinguish
:: the false idols from the real thing"
:: [Dr. Carl Sagan]
::
:: Patti
::
::
::
::
::
::
:: Patricia Glover
:: Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
:: photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
:: Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
:: http://www.alibistudios.com
:: http://www.alibimusic.com

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:37:50 GMT, [email hidden]

(Alibi Studios) said:

muscles mass and certainly strength. If you do many reps/sets of
medium to moderate weight it has an aerobic effect and you will lose
fat, while maintaining or slightly increasing muscle mass.

Complete and utter BS. Rarely does weight training introduce
oxygen-dependency.

Quoted message said:

Plus i've noticed it in my own body. If I want more defined muscles I
power lift (as powerful as a 5 foot female can be) If I want to drop
some weight I increase my reps and sets but decrease my weights.

Has nothing to do with your weight gain/loss.

Quoted message said:

Dave i hope this is useful to you. This is what my trainer told me to
tell you.

Patti

Get YOUR money back along with Lee, Patti. Your "trainer" is a moron.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Roger Zoul said:

What credentials would you accept?

You mean, you are not CERTIFIED?

gasp
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:07:45 GMT, [email hidden]

(Alibi Studios) said:

Nope, haven't used a PT in 7 years, she was standing there waiting for
her next appointment when I posed the question to her. I trust that
all of the trophies she's won (that are proudly displayed in the gym)
have something to do with her knowledge of the body and training
techniques.

Has absolutely nothing to do with her knowledge of human physiology
and the science of strength training.

Quoted message said:

and since she must be wrong about this I'm guessing the fact that I
saw the results in action with my own body is an illusion???

Results and knowledge do not go hand in hand.

Quoted message said:

I am a svelte 122 pounds of well defined muscle on a 5 foot frame.
here's a pic in case you want to look.
http://www.alibistudios.com/author.html

Do you always talk about yourself in the third person "wrote Mu".

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Quoted message said:

::
:: "Mistrust arguments from authority.

I like that one most. I wonder if you might consider using it.

Compare as many arguments as you
:: can. Note what prediction they make for the future, which ones are
:: vague, which ones are precise, which ones are subject to human
:: fallibility? Take into account that not one of them is perfect. Then
:: simply choose the one that in a FAIR comparison works. If methods are
:: superior in quite separate and independent fields, we are of course
:: free to choose several -- but not if they contradict one another. Far
:: from being idolatry, this is the means by which we can distinguish
:: the false idols from the real thing"
:: [Dr. Carl Sagan]
::
:: Patti

LOL, what I was trying to point out is that everybody is willing to
point out how much they know, or that they are an authority on
something. And everyone could be wrong. even you or trainers.

When you climb on a stair master and start working it has an aerobic
effect, if you did the same thing standing (on the floor) using medium
weights it will have the same aerobic effect. If you use a rowing
machine it has an aerobic effect. the same will happen if you use
medium weights on a sitting lat pull. doesn't take too much common
sense to see that.

Patti

I have no pictures of my body, except the ones my husband won't let
anyone see 🙂

Patti

:

Quoted message said:

::
::
::
::
::
:: Patricia Glover
:: Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
:: photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
:: Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
:: http://www.alibistudios.com
:: http://www.alibimusic.com

Patricia Glover
Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
http://www.alibistudios.com
http://www.alibimusic.com

If you posted pics, you would probably retouch them first anyway.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Alibi Studios" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

::
:: "Mistrust arguments from authority.

I like that one most. I wonder if you might consider using it.

Compare as many arguments as you
:: can. Note what prediction they make for the future, which ones are
:: vague, which ones are precise, which ones are subject to human
:: fallibility? Take into account that not one of them is perfect. Then
:: simply choose the one that in a FAIR comparison works. If methods are
:: superior in quite separate and independent fields, we are of course
:: free to choose several -- but not if they contradict one another. Far
:: from being idolatry, this is the means by which we can distinguish
:: the false idols from the real thing"
:: [Dr. Carl Sagan]
::
:: Patti

LOL, what I was trying to point out is that everybody is willing to
point out how much they know, or that they are an authority on
something. And everyone could be wrong. even you or trainers.

When you climb on a stair master and start working it has an aerobic
effect, if you did the same thing standing (on the floor) using medium
weights it will have the same aerobic effect. If you use a rowing
machine it has an aerobic effect. the same will happen if you use
medium weights on a sitting lat pull. doesn't take too much common
sense to see that.

Patti

I have no pictures of my body, except the ones my husband won't let
anyone see 🙂

Patti

:

Quoted message said:

::
::
::
::
::
:: Patricia Glover
:: Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
:: photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
:: Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
:: http://www.alibistudios.com
:: http://www.alibimusic.com

Patricia Glover
Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
http://www.alibistudios.com
http://www.alibimusic.com

Yep. http://pic2.picturetrail.com/VOL39/1526244/2915437/60148741.jpg

In news:[email hidden],
JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
| If you posted pics, you would probably retouch them first anyway.
|
| --
| Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
| MFW
|
|

Panem et circenses?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Yep. http://pic2.picturetrail.com/VOL39/1526244/2915437/60148741.jpg

In news:[email hidden],
JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
| If you posted pics, you would probably retouch them first anyway.
|
| --
| Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
| MFW
|
|

Alibi Studios wrote:
||||| "Mistrust arguments from authority.
|||
||| I like that one most. I wonder if you might consider using it.
|||
||| Compare as many arguments as you
||||| can. Note what prediction they make for the future, which ones are
||||| vague, which ones are precise, which ones are subject to human
||||| fallibility? Take into account that not one of them is perfect.
||||| Then simply choose the one that in a FAIR comparison works. If
||||| methods are superior in quite separate and independent fields, we
||||| are of course free to choose several -- but not if they
||||| contradict one another. Far from being idolatry, this is the
||||| means by which we can distinguish the false idols from the real
||||| thing" [Dr. Carl Sagan]
|||||
||||| Patti
||
|| LOL, what I was trying to point out is that everybody is willing to
|| point out how much they know, or that they are an authority on
|| something. And everyone could be wrong. even you or trainers.
||
|| When you climb on a stair master and start working it has an aerobic
|| effect, if you did the same thing standing (on the floor) using
|| medium weights it will have the same aerobic effect. If you use a
|| rowing machine it has an aerobic effect. the same will happen if you
|| use
|| medium weights on a sitting lat pull. doesn't take too much common
|| sense to see that.

Better to do some cardio if you want an aerobic effect. Stick to weights for
strength and muscle building and minimizing muscle loss.

I acknowledge that I can be wrong, BTW. You can fill endless volumes with
what I don't know.

JC Der Koenig said:

If you posted pics, you would probably retouch them first anyway.

Well you got me on that one. I am a retouch artist and I did retouch
my photo on my website. mostly because i didn't care for the smile
lines on my face. As far as a picture of my muscular body. i could've
pasted my head (and you wouldn't know) onto the body of a body builder
and posted that pic. But that's not my way.

patti

Patricia Glover
Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
http://www.alibistudios.com
http://www.alibimusic.com

Quoted message said:

Better to do some cardio if you want an aerobic effect. Stick to weights for
strength and muscle building and minimizing muscle loss.

I acknowledge that I can be wrong, BTW. You can fill endless volumes with
what I don't know.

the original post was a question about how to lose weight and how to
gain muscle, but not too much. More focused on losing fat....

""What would be the best type of weight lifting regimen for me to add
to my cardio for the simple goal of losing weight and bodyfat? Adding
muscle size can wait until I am at my goal weight and add some
calories back in. What do you recommend?""

I still believe that the trainer I talked to was giving good advice.
Builders who use free weights know exactly what they do to your body.
And the same goes for runners (that's me) I don't really care for free
weights because it made my muscles to big. I swim, run, use a
stairmaster and if I do walk on a treadmill I'll do it for 1 hour at a
5% incline at 3.8 MPH. My Ultimate Heart Rate is around 180, this I
get at while running, however i get to 190 on a stairmaster. Don't
know what it is in the pool, I'm too damned busy swimming and enjoying
it.

If you swing your arms it will have an aerobic effect, if you add
simple weights it has a better aerobic effect. if you keep adding
weights it will continue to increase your heart rate, until it gets to
the point that you can no longer swing your arms, thats when you are
building lean body mass, but not burning much fat. I've decided that
that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Patti

Patricia Glover
Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
http://www.alibistudios.com
http://www.alibimusic.com

Alibi Studios wrote:
::: Better to do some cardio if you want an aerobic effect. Stick to
::: weights for strength and muscle building and minimizing muscle loss.
:::
::: I acknowledge that I can be wrong, BTW. You can fill endless
::: volumes with what I don't know.
:::
:: the original post was a question about how to lose weight and how to
:: gain muscle, but not too much. More focused on losing fat....
::
:: ""What would be the best type of weight lifting regimen for me to add
:: to my cardio for the simple goal of losing weight and bodyfat?
:: Adding muscle size can wait until I am at my goal weight and add some
:: calories back in. What do you recommend?""
::
:: I still believe that the trainer I talked to was giving good advice.

I don't. The OP really should just weight train without any regard for
weight loss (i.e., don't do anything special for weight loss). The cardio
and dieting will handle the fat loss, and the weight training will allow him
to retain (or possibly grow) muscle while possibly increasing strength.

:: Builders who use free weights know exactly what they do to your body.

What? I'm not exactly sure what you meant, but if you mean what I think you
mean then you're just wrong.

:: And the same goes for runners (that's me) I don't really care for
:: free weights because it made my muscles to big.

If you say so, but your statement implies that you don't understand what
makes muscles big.

:: I swim, run, use a
:: stairmaster and if I do walk on a treadmill I'll do it for 1 hour at
:: a 5% incline at 3.8 MPH. My Ultimate Heart Rate is around 180, this I
:: get at while running, however i get to 190 on a stairmaster. Don't
:: know what it is in the pool, I'm too damned busy swimming and
:: enjoying it.

Good!

::
:: If you swing your arms it will have an aerobic effect, if you add
:: simple weights it has a better aerobic effect. if you keep adding
:: weights it will continue to increase your heart rate, until it gets
:: to the point that you can no longer swing your arms, thats when you
:: are building lean body mass,

Not so....an entire range of things might happen in that situation. What
happens depends.

:: but not burning much fat. I've decided
:: that that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Okay. 🙂 Even if you don't fully understand the ways of it Patti, I'm glad
you found what works for you. That's really all that is important in the
end.

::
::
:: Patti
::
::
::
::
::
:: Patricia Glover
:: Professional photo retouch artist - Damaged, worn or ripped
:: photos repaired - Hand color old black and white photographs
:: Web pages designed - personalized animations - Commissioned art
:: http://www.alibistudios.com
:: http://www.alibimusic.com