Cold Steel Question?

I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor
temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed Physics
in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with a
Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off
Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1 Hammer claw
(snapped off and hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2 hacksaw
blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat up the boom. Oh Yeah and I
dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge Hammer.

I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the main
boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small metal clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount
(older type). All I wanted to do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I
have probably caused about $300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making resale somewhat
difficult.

Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and justifiably so) that my mechanical
skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on the trike inside.

All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so simple
last night when I thought about doing it...to kill time due to the awfully cold weather....who knew.

I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just waiting for me to begin again.
I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.

So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone know if the Cold is causing the
steel to resist (everything I am doing to
it)????????????

And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!

Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda funny. 2 days ago I completed the
Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of duct
tape (Red Green would be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets (backwards),
then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed to BE backwards. When you
sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced the Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've
broken a world speed record for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster
now...no way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount
and install the M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This
is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre
saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for).
1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<

Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my favorite way to cut stuff off my
trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, out fear for your trike. Perhaps if you
sent a picture, I could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and perhaps
thinking. Like, "I'm going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back indoors."

later, Rorschandt

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This
is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre
saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for).
1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<

Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my favorite way to cut stuff off my
trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, out fear for your trike. Perhaps if you
sent a picture, I could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and perhaps
thinking. Like, "I'm going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back indoors."

later, Rorschandt

Ferrous alloys transition from elastic to brittle failure modes (and machining is controlled
'failure'😉 at low temperatures specific to the metallurgy of the material.

This phenomena came to public attention with the brittle failure of Liberty ships while pierside and
in reasonably (for North Atlantic service) low temperatures.

I held up a million dollar yield test of air bottles on just this point. The machinery was exposed
to unexpectedly low temperatures - slightly sub-freezing - as I was about to inject water into large
air bottles at very high pressure - on the order of 10kpsi. As the volume injected into the bottles
rose the pressure increase should have risen linearly as long as the metal was in its elastic range.
The design conditions were for controlled temperatures though and no one was able to assure me that
the bottle's Reference Transition Temperature RTT was below the actual temp.

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could a Minus 30 Celsius
outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed
Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full
blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4
Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1
Hammer claw (snapped off

and

Quoted message said:

hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2

hacksaw

Quoted message said:

blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat up the boom. Oh Yeah and I
dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge Hammer.

I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the main
boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small

metal

Quoted message said:

clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I wanted

to

Quoted message said:

do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I have probably caused about
$300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making

resale

Quoted message said:

somewhat difficult.

Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and

justifiably

Quoted message said:

so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on

the

Quoted message said:

trike inside.

All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so
simple last night when I thought about doing it...to kill time due to the awfully cold
weather....who knew.

I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just

waiting

Quoted message said:

for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.

So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone know

if

Quoted message said:

the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
it)????????????

And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!

Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda funny. 2 days ago I completed
the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of
duct tape (Red Green

would

Quoted message said:

be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets (backwards), then added the
foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed to BE backwards. When you sit down and
lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced the Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a
world speed record for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster

now...no

Quoted message said:

way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount
and install

the

Quoted message said:

M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?

Ferrous alloys transition from elastic to brittle failure modes (and machining is controlled
'failure'😉 at low temperatures specific to the metallurgy of the material.

This phenomena came to public attention with the brittle failure of Liberty ships while pierside and
in reasonably (for North Atlantic service) low temperatures.

I held up a million dollar yield test of air bottles on just this point. The machinery was exposed
to unexpectedly low temperatures - slightly sub-freezing - as I was about to inject water into large
air bottles at very high pressure - on the order of 10kpsi. As the volume injected into the bottles
rose the pressure increase should have risen linearly as long as the metal was in its elastic range.
The design conditions were for controlled temperatures though and no one was able to assure me that
the bottle's Reference Transition Temperature RTT was below the actual temp.

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could a Minus 30 Celsius
outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed
Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full
blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4
Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1
Hammer claw (snapped off

and

Quoted message said:

hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2

hacksaw

Quoted message said:

blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat up the boom. Oh Yeah and I
dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge Hammer.

I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the main
boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small

metal

Quoted message said:

clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I wanted

to

Quoted message said:

do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I have probably caused about
$300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making

resale

Quoted message said:

somewhat difficult.

Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and

justifiably

Quoted message said:

so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on

the

Quoted message said:

trike inside.

All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so
simple last night when I thought about doing it...to kill time due to the awfully cold
weather....who knew.

I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just

waiting

Quoted message said:

for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.

So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone know

if

Quoted message said:

the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
it)????????????

And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!

Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda funny. 2 days ago I completed
the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of
duct tape (Red Green

would

Quoted message said:

be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets (backwards), then added the
foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed to BE backwards. When you sit down and
lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced the Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a
world speed record for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster

now...no

Quoted message said:

way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount
and install

the

Quoted message said:

M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?

Yep..2 hacksaw blades used, both now very ruined. The Sabre saw used Hacksaw blades as well.
----------------*&%$#@+ = oh yeah---------- "rorschandt" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This
is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre
saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed
for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<

Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my favorite way to cut stuff off my
trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, out fear for your trike. Perhaps if you
sent a picture, I could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and perhaps
thinking. Like, "I'm going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back indoors."

later, Rorschandt

What?
Note: I said I (failed) Physics in College...
-------------------------------------------
"Doug Huffman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ferrous alloys transition from elastic to brittle failure modes (and machining is controlled
'failure'😉 at low temperatures specific to the metallurgy of the material.

This phenomena came to public attention with the brittle failure of

Liberty

Quoted message said:

ships while pierside and in reasonably (for North Atlantic service) low temperatures.

I held up a million dollar yield test of air bottles on just this point. The machinery was exposed
to unexpectedly low temperatures - slightly sub-freezing - as I was about to inject water into
large air bottles at

very

Quoted message said:

high pressure - on the order of 10kpsi. As the volume injected into the bottles rose the pressure
increase should have risen linearly as long as

the

Quoted message said:

metal was in its elastic range. The design conditions were for controlled temperatures though and
no one was able to assure me that the bottle's Reference Transition Temperature RTT was below the
actual temp.

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious
question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw
(accidentally whacked it full blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1
Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head
screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1 Hammer claw (snapped off

and

Quoted message said:

hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2

hacksaw

Quoted message said:

blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat

up

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the boom. Oh Yeah and I dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge

Hammer.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the
main boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small

metal

Quoted message said:

clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I

wanted

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I have probably caused about
$300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making

resale

Quoted message said:

somewhat difficult.

Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and

justifiably

Quoted message said:

so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on

the

Quoted message said:

trike inside.

All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so
simple last night when I thought about doing

it...to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

kill time due to the awfully cold weather....who knew.

I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just

waiting

Quoted message said:

for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.

So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone

know

Quoted message said:

if

Quoted message said:

the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
it)????????????

And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!

Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda

funny.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

2 days ago I completed the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde,
dense foam, 2 rolls of duct tape (Red Green

would

Quoted message said:

be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets

(backwards),

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

BE backwards. When you sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a world speed

record

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster

now...no

Quoted message said:

way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount and
install

the

Quoted message said:

M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?

Yes. Low temperatures could be causing your troubles.

Your tools are being used at temperatures lower than that for which they were designed. They are
more susceptible to shattering in brittle low toughness failure that in their normal tough elastic
high energy failure mode.

For our American readers, -30C is about the same in Fahrenheit - Damn cold.

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

What?
Note: I said I (failed) Physics in College...
-------------------------------------------
"Doug Huffman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ferrous alloys transition from elastic to brittle failure modes (and machining is controlled
'failure'😉 at low temperatures specific to the metallurgy of the material.

This phenomena came to public attention with the brittle failure of

Liberty

Quoted message said:

ships while pierside and in reasonably (for North Atlantic service) low temperatures.

I held up a million dollar yield test of air bottles on just this point. The machinery was
exposed to unexpectedly low temperatures - slightly sub-freezing - as I was about to inject
water into large air bottles at

very

Quoted message said:

high pressure - on the order of 10kpsi. As the volume injected into the bottles rose the
pressure increase should have risen linearly as long as

the

Quoted message said:

metal was in its elastic range. The design conditions were for

controlled

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

temperatures though and no one was able to assure me that the bottle's Reference Transition
Temperature RTT was below the actual temp.

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on

me...could

Quoted message said:

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a
serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel
Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1
Hammer claw (snapped

off

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and

Quoted message said:

hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2

hacksaw

Quoted message said:

blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat

up

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the boom. Oh Yeah and I dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge

Hammer.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the
main boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small

metal

Quoted message said:

clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I

wanted

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

probably caused about $300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making

resale

Quoted message said:

somewhat difficult.

Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and

justifiably

Quoted message said:

so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

trike inside.

All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a

M5

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hard-shell, seemed so simple last night when I thought about doing

it...to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

kill time due to the awfully cold weather....who knew.

I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just

waiting

Quoted message said:

for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

latest project.

So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone

know

Quoted message said:

if

Quoted message said:

the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
it)????????????

And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!

Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda

funny.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

2 days ago I completed the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black
Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of duct tape (Red Green

would

Quoted message said:

be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets

(backwards),

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT

supposed

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

BE backwards. When you sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a world speed

record

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster

now...no

Quoted message said:

way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount and

install

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?

Thanx Doug I kinda figured the cold was to blame, but I needed someone else to say it so my wife
agrees to another of my shopping trips to the hardware store.
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"Doug Huffman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Yes. Low temperatures could be causing your troubles.

Your tools are being used at temperatures lower than that for which they were designed. They are
more susceptible to shattering in brittle low toughness failure that in their normal tough elastic
high energy failure mode.

For our American readers, -30C is about the same in Fahrenheit - Damn

cold.

Quoted message said:

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

What?
Note: I said I (failed) Physics in College...
-------------------------------------------
"Doug Huffman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ferrous alloys transition from elastic to brittle failure modes (and machining is controlled
'failure'😉 at low temperatures specific to the metallurgy of the material.

This phenomena came to public attention with the brittle failure of

Liberty

Quoted message said:

ships while pierside and in reasonably (for North Atlantic service)

low

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

temperatures.

I held up a million dollar yield test of air bottles on just this

point.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The machinery was exposed to unexpectedly low temperatures - slightly sub-freezing - as I was
about to inject water into large air bottles

at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

very

Quoted message said:

high pressure - on the order of 10kpsi. As the volume injected into

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bottles rose the pressure increase should have risen linearly as long

as

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

metal was in its elastic range. The design conditions were for

controlled

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

temperatures though and no one was able to assure me that the bottle's Reference Transition
Temperature RTT was below the actual temp.

"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on

me...could

Quoted message said:

a

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> Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble

I'm

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Quoted message said:

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> having? This is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full blast

with

Quoted message said:

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small

slot

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw
> (metal cutter) blades, 1 Hammer claw (snapped

off

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and
> hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2
hacksaw
> blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to

heat

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up

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> the boom. Oh Yeah and I dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge

Hammer.

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>
> I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> bracket (welded) to the main boom as a Seat support. There are 6

small

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

metal
> clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I

wanted

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to
> do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> probably caused about $300.00 in damage and wrecked the

boom...making

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Quoted message said:

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resale
> somewhat difficult.
>
> Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and
justifiably
> so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked

on

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the
> trike inside.
>
> All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a

M5

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Hard-shell, seemed so simple last night when I thought about doing

it...to

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> kill time due to the awfully cold weather....who knew.
>
> I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just
waiting
> for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering

on

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my

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> latest project.
>
> So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone

know

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if
> the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
> it)????????????
>
> And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!
>
> Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda

funny.

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> 2 days ago I completed the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest,

lumbar

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> support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of duct tape (Red

Green

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would
> be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets

(backwards),

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> then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT

supposed

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to

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> BE backwards. When you sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts

pierced

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> Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a world speed

record

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> for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster
now...no
> way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount and

install

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the
> M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?
>
>

Hi, Joshua, didn't you say something recently to the effect that you were going to be building
trikes to sell to people on this NG?

I don't think I want one, OK? :-)

Lewis.

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I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could a Minus 30 Celsius
outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed
Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full
blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4
Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1
Hammer claw (snapped off and hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2
hacksaw blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat up the boom. Oh
Yeah and I dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge Hammer.

I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the main
boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small metal clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount
(older type). All I wanted to do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I
have probably caused about $300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making resale somewhat
difficult.

Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and justifiably so) that my mechanical
skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on the trike inside.

All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so
simple last night when I thought about doing it...to kill time due to the awfully cold
weather....who knew.

I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just waiting for me to begin
again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.

So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone know if the Cold is causing
the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
it)????????????

And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!

Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda funny. 2 days ago I completed
the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of
duct tape (Red Green would be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets
(backwards), then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed to BE
backwards. When you sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced the Vinyl and darn near pierced
me...ouch. Must've broken a world speed record for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the
garbage dumpster now...no way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the
RANS seat mount and install the M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?

Joshua Goldberg said:

Thanx Doug I kinda figured the cold was to blame, but I needed someone else to say it so my wife
agrees to another of my shopping trips to the > hardware store.

I suggest running modified Charpy [1] tests on the different alloys involved to determine the
brittle-to-ductile transition temperatures (BDTT) so you can be sure to perform all metal work at a
temperature above the highest BDTT.

[1] Very similar to the device used on members of the French nobility 214 years ago.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) RANS "Wavewind" and Rocket, Earth Cycles Sunset and
Dragonflyer

I did wonder if anyone would remember the Trike business and wonder IF what I did today was part of
those trikes.

This trike (is a prototype), it was Over-built by an Engineering Dept....in the U.S. N/W for me. One
of the trike designers was a BikeE Engineer. Damn thing was designed to be dropped into the Grand
Canyon and still be driven...try that with a Trice Micro.... It cost me $750. to ship it to Toronto
and now I am hitting it with a hammer and assorted tools.

The Jigs are already done for (both trike designs), I get to play with the Prototypes and they'll
end up (not for sale).

The Tadpoles for the business venture will NOT be touched by my hands, I have a Professional
Framebuilder doing the trikes for me...My design, but his skill and tools used to build it and he'll
sign his framesets. Am hoping to get the Alum. booms supplied by a trike builder in Texas..haven't
asked him yet, I need to get some more cash b4 I commit to using his and other bent builder's parts
in the USA. (NOT from Taiwan).

It has always been my intention to draw upon people who know what they are doing and assemble the
trikes with parts they build...kind of a collaborative effort.

I will leave bent construction up to those who know what they are doing. My trikes will be Modular,
the buyer will add/subtract the options they want according to where they intend to drive the trike.

I was thinking of naming the 1st trike "Jerry Lee", but his also being know by the phrase "the
Killer" may NOT be a good name to give a trike. Still like the idea of naming a trike after Jerry
Lee Lewis though. Option 2 was name it "Southern Comfort"...smooooooth. But I figure I'll let some
Southern USA builder use that name and get the Liquor company to back
it.Option 3 was name it "Silver Bullet"...but my wife is from "Transylvania"...(really) and well
Silver Bullets and Transylvanians do not get along...or so I've been told. She figures I came up
with the name Silver Bullet to get back at her. Did I mention when we argue I wear a necklace of
Garlic cloves and carry a wooden crucifix soaked in Holy Water.
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Hi, Joshua, didn't you say something recently to the effect that you were going to be building
trikes to sell to people on this NG?

I don't think I want one, OK? :-)

Lewis.

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Quoted message said:

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I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could

a

Quoted message said:

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Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious
question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw
(accidentally whacked it full blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1
Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head
screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1 Hammer claw (snapped off

and

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hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2

hacksaw

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blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat

up

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Quoted message said:

the boom. Oh Yeah and I dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge

Hammer.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the
main boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small

metal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I

wanted to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I have probably caused about
$300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making

resale

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

somewhat difficult.

Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and

justifiably

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

trike inside.

All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so
simple last night when I thought about doing

iu...to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

kill time due to the awfully cold weather....who knew.

I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just

waiting

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.

So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone

know if

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
it)????????????

And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!

Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda

funny.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

2 days ago I completed the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde,
dense foam, 2 rolls of duct tape (Red Green

would

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets

(backwards),

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

then added the foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

BE backwards. When you sit down and lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a world speed

record

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster

now...no

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount and
install

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?

Joshua, Are you related to Rube? ~~~ Al Kubeluis ~ Bacchetta Corsa ~ Maryland ~ USA ~~~

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Yep..2 hacksaw blades used, both now very ruined. The Sabre saw used

Hacksaw

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blades as well. ----------------*&%$#@+ = oh yeah---------- "rorschandt"
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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having?
This is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill
Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I
aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<

Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my favorite way to cut stuff off my
trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, out fear for your trike. Perhaps if
you sent a picture, I could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and
perhaps thinking. Like,

"I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back

indoors."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

later, Rorschandt

Josh,

First, I wish to reprimand you for using Naugahyde. Those poor defenseless Naugys! And we
slaughter them to make our cheap chairs and couches, never mind their meat (which I heard is
pretty damn chewy).

Secondly, alloyed steel (AKA Cro-Mo 4130, hard-[censored], etc, etc..) does not yield to cheap saw blades
or drills. The best and most effective way to remove those brackets is to grind them off using a
man-eater or angle grinder. If you must be anal, use a saw with a bi-metal blade as these hold up
fair against harder alloys. The art of drilling (or cutting) is never get your tool bit hot, as it
will anneal and become useless. With this said, drill slowly, and use plenty of oil as a coolant.

Last, be good to yourself. I sense that you also are missing a couple of digits on each hand?

Best regards,

--
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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on me...could a Minus 30 Celsius
outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed
Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full
blast with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4
Dremel Cut-off Discs, a Robertson and Philips head screwdrivers, 8 Jigsaw (metal cutter) blades, 1
Hammer claw (snapped off

and

Quoted message said:

hit my overhead spotlamp...also now toast), 5 titanium drill bits, 2

hacksaw

Quoted message said:

blades, 1 Blow Torch tank went empty in the cold after I tried to heat up the boom. Oh Yeah and I
dented the boom with a poorly aimed Sledge Hammer.

I figured it was way too cold today to go riding....so I'd remove the bracket (welded) to the main
boom as a Seat support. There are 6 small

metal

Quoted message said:

clips welded to the boom for a RANS seat mount (older type). All I wanted

to

Quoted message said:

do was remove the 6 two inch high X 2 inch wide clips and so far I have probably caused about
$300.00 in damage and wrecked the boom...making

resale

Quoted message said:

somewhat difficult.

Oh Yeah...am working on the Tadpole outside, my wife fears (and

justifiably

Quoted message said:

so) that my mechanical skills will destroy the apartment if I worked on

the

Quoted message said:

trike inside.

All I was doing was removing one RANS seat mount in order to mount a M5 Hard-shell, seemed so
simple last night when I thought about doing it...to kill time due to the awfully cold
weather....who knew.

I am taking a rest now, but still have 3 brackets left to go....just

waiting

Quoted message said:

for me to begin again. I can hear my local Hardware store cheering on my latest project.

So..before I return to the trike with what tools I have left, anyone know

if

Quoted message said:

the Cold is causing the steel to resist (everything I am doing to
it)????????????

And people ask (why) I do NOT repair bikes!!!!

Under Funny stuff, not like gaga funny, more of a...Oh No... kinda funny. 2 days ago I completed
the Ultimate Trike seat, cool headrest, lumbar support, black Naugahyde, dense foam, 2 rolls of
duct tape (Red Green

would

Quoted message said:

be sooo proud). I mounted the 4 custom built support brackets (backwards), then added the
foam/vinyl etc. Point was the brackets were NOT supposed to BE backwards. When you sit down and
lean back...8 Steel Bolts pierced the Vinyl and darn near pierced me...ouch. Must've broken a
world speed record for jumping out of a tadpole seat. Seat is in the garbage dumpster

now...no

Quoted message said:

way to reverse the brackets. So I figured....gee why not just remove the RANS seat mount
and install

the

Quoted message said:

M5 Hardshell....how hard could that be?

Cough <<@)#(($*%&>>Cough!

Naugas are pests (a.k.a. vermin, varmints) on, e. g. submarines where they graze on bilge mung. On
boats, naugas are mercifully and painlessly killed with the Knickerbockers Nauga Knocker (tm) to
provide hyde for the many stools and chairs.

4130 is not exotic, hard or hard to work with.

The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

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Josh,

First, I wish to reprimand you for using Naugahyde. Those poor defenseless Naugys! And we
slaughter them to make our cheap chairs and couches, never mind their meat (which I heard is
pretty damn chewy).

Secondly, alloyed steel (AKA Cro-Mo 4130, hard-[censored], etc, etc..) does not yield to cheap saw
blades or drills. The best and most effective way to remove those brackets is to grind them off
using a man-eater or angle grinder. If you must be anal, use a saw with a bi-metal blade as these

hold

Quoted message said:

up fair against harder alloys. The art of drilling (or cutting) is never get your tool bit hot, as
it will anneal and become useless. With this said, drill slowly, and use plenty of oil as a
coolant.

Last, be good to yourself. I sense that you also are missing a couple of digits on each hand?

Best regards,

--
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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yep..2 hacksaw blades used, both now very ruined. The Sabre saw used

Hacksaw

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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
> me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me all the trouble I'm having?
> This is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I have (destroyed) 1
> Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full

blast

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver, 4
> Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<

Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my

favorite

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

way to cut stuff off my trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, out fear
for your trike. Perhaps if you sent a picture,

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and perhaps thinking.
Like,

"I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back

indoors."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

later, Rorschandt

No, the Goldberg Rube Al "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yep..2 hacksaw blades used, both now very ruined. The Sabre saw used

Hacksaw

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blades as well. ----------------*&%$#@+ = oh yeah---------- "rorschandt"
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> "Joshua Goldberg" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>
> > I just spent many hours (destroying a trike) and it donned on
> > me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me

all

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Quoted message said:

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> > the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far I
> > have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full

blast

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> > with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large, 1 Small slot screwdriver,
> > 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<
>
> Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my

favorite

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Quoted message said:

> way to cut stuff off my trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid to suggest this, out fear
> for your trike. Perhaps if you sent a

picture,

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I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and perhaps thinking.

Like,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"I'm

Quoted message said:

> going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back

indoors."

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>
> later, Rorschandt

Obviously I am NOT getting this at all, there is a man named "Rube Goldberg" who once operated a
Hotel in the Catskills...not far from where I went to High School. Rube being the short form of
Rubin. I also recently discovered there is another Joshua Goldberg not far from where I live and he
OR she (not sure which) is the Head of Canada's Trans-sexual rights group. Seems that Joshua has
been annoying the hell out of lots of people and I am getting his hate mail. Am going to have to use
my middle initial so folks can direct their mail to him and not me.....my initials are JAG, his are
JMG. And NO I am NOT related to Whoopi Goldberg b4 U ask.
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> Yep..2 hacksaw blades used, both now very ruined. The Sabre saw used
Hacksaw
> blades as well. ----------------*&%$#@+ = oh yeah---------- "rorschandt"
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> > > me...could a Minus 30 Celsius outdoor temperature be causing me

all

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> > > the trouble I'm having? This is a serious question (I failed Physics in College). So far

I

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> > > have (destroyed) 1 Skill Sabre saw (accidentally whacked it full

blast

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> > > with a Hammer that missed the trike boom I aimed for). 1 Large,

1

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> > > Small slot screwdriver, 4 Dremel Cut-off Discs, >snip<
> >
> > Okay, you didn't mention anything about an ordinary hacksaw, my

favorite

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> > way to cut stuff off my trike. Did you try that? I'm a bit afraid

to

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> > suggest this, out fear for your trike. Perhaps if you sent a

picture,

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I

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> > could give some pointers. I'm sure the cold affects your dexterity, and perhaps thinking.

Like,

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"I'm
> > going to hurry and cut this *&%$#@+ thing off so I can get back
indoors."
> >
> > later, Rorschandt
>
>

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Obviously I am NOT getting this at all, there is a man named "Rube Goldberg" who once operated a
Hotel in the Catskills...not far from

There was a Rube Goldberg, a cartoonist of sorts I believe. He would diagram outlandish contraptions
that would eventually perform a simple act. For instance(and I'm making this up on the fly, so don't
expect much)a piece of toast pops up in the toaster, which frightens the cat who has a string tied
to his tail. The cats actions then trip a lever releasing food for the fish tank. Many people are
entertained by tracing the circuitous route to achieve a simple task.I am not one of them, however,
I am providing a link because I know what it is like to have no clue about some pop culture thing
that nobody will bother explaining rube-rube-Open ↗ goldberg.com/html/gallery.htm

Mine was "Any port in a storm", which an ex refused to explain what she meant after she used it. She
did not use it in a nautical context. It was a very wounding experience. rorschandt