WHW research - help needed

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'lo all,

Now, bearing in mind that I'm not a wa*ker an all that, so this is
just research; anyone any experience of the West Highland Way they'd
care to share?

Wasn't sure if this "research" was going to be necessary so hesitated
earlier, but and opinions, TR's, stuff would be greatly appreciated.

SteveO

Hi Steve'HP'O,

I've 'done' the WHW several times but only once from beginning to end. Have
you already googled or do you want to know something specific like campsites
or interesting places ? I suppose you've already seen my photographs.

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Theo
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:51:41 +0200, "theo" <[email hidden]>

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Hi Steve'HP'O,

I've 'done' the WHW several times but only once from beginning to end. Have
you already googled or do you want to know something specific like campsites
or interesting places ? I suppose you've already seen my photographs.

No I haven't, I googled and loads of pretentious clap-trap came up,
y'know mentioning "serious undertaking" and "have your whistle to hand
at all times!", that sort of stuff so I haven't read anything useful
via Google.

I though I'd ask in here because the opinions are often quite casual
and thereby of more interest and they're usually succinct and the TR's
posted are good reads... and photos too! If you could post a link to
your photos Theo I'd appreciate it, I've got a fairly good idea what
it looks like but good photos are good photos aren't they!

SteveO

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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:51:41 +0200, "theo" <[email hidden]>

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Hi Steve'HP'O,

I've 'done' the WHW several times but only once from beginning to end.
Have
you already googled or do you want to know something specific like
campsites
or interesting places ? I suppose you've already seen my photographs.

No I haven't, I googled and loads of pretentious clap-trap came up,
y'know mentioning "serious undertaking" and "have your whistle to hand
at all times!", that sort of stuff so I haven't read anything useful
via Google.

I though I'd ask in here because the opinions are often quite casual
and thereby of more interest and they're usually succinct and the TR's
posted are good reads... and photos too! If you could post a link to
your photos Theo I'd appreciate it, I've got a fairly good idea what
it looks like but good photos are good photos aren't they!

SteveO

You can find my picturecollection of the WHW on www.theosphotos.fotopic.net
.. The WHW is nothing serious if you do it in around 7 or 8 days. The only
*scrambling* there is is on the Loch Lomond part of the trip. (IMHO the most
enjoyable part.) Of course the Scottish weather can change very rapidly and
you've prepared yourself for that. You've also made reservations for the
rescueteams to come and get you if you might get in trouble ;-)
The first part from Milngavie north is countrypark with small woods and
farmland. Easy going. After 11km you pass the Beech Tree Inn. If you start
early it's a nice lunchstop. Perhaps your legs need a time-out because of
all the *dismantled railway* tracks. At appr.17km there is a small farm
campsite (Easter Drumquhassle). First town is Drymen to do some shopping.
You have to make a little detour from the official route. There is a SPAR in
the town centre. Go north to Garadbhan Forest. After GF Conic Hill is the
first ascent. Only 361m high but gives good views of southern Loch Lomond.
Hotels at Balmaha. The ascent of the Balmaha viewpoint is short but steep.
At 32 km Milarrochy campsite, at 34km Cashel campsite. The area is getting
more interesting now, going up and down through dense wood and bracken.
Hotel with pub at 41km. Rowardennan YH at 42km. At 44km you've got to choose
between the high level route and low level route. I strongly advise the
lowlevel route. It's easy to miss the start of it, left of the foresttrack.
The following is *scrambling* over rocks and under trees and crossing little
streams. Scottish jungle. At 48km is Rowchoish bothy. Luxury not included
:-) You reach more open ground and at 52km you pass (or stay at) Inversnaid
Hotel and Bunkhouse. If you can't stand busloads of old folks move on but
they've got a nice hot shower. At 58km Doune bothy, charcoal black inside.
63km Beinglas Farm campsite and little shop. Cross the bridge west for
Inverarnan Hotel. The WHW stays on the eastside of the stream. 66km Falls of
Falloch. If not repared by now the banks can be very muddy.69km railroad
underpass and old militairy road. Mud and rocks when wet. At 72 turn left
for Tyndrum, turn right after stile for Crianlarich, YH, B&B, hotel and
shop. You're definitly in Munro area by now. 81km Tyndrum campsite. Tyndrum
has (outdoor)shops, hotels, B&B. From 87km passing Beinn Dorain on open
hillside. 92km Bridge of Orchy Hotel and Bunkhouse with good barmeals. 95km
Inveroran Hotel. 96km in *wild* camping in bend of river. You're entering
Rannoch Moor by now, a desolate and lonely place (if you forget about the
WHWwalkers). 111km *wild* camping behind Kingshouse Hotel. The hotel has a
climberspub at the back. A must. Good views of Buahaille Etive Mor (Stob
Dearg) with Curved Ridge(good scramble), the Rannoch Wall, Tower Ridge.
115km looking straight into Glencoe and start of the highly overestimated
Devil's Staircase. (but it can be nasty in rain) Kinlochleven at 124km with
shops, bars etc. Campsite at NWside of town. After Kinlochleven you enter
the last stage. The Mamores are north and east of you. If you like to do
some Munros you can make a *shortcut* from Kinlochleven to Glen Nevis going
over Stob Ban and Mullach nan Coirean or Sgurr a Mhaim. Pinewoods before
going into Glen Nevis. When you reach the road in Glen Nevis turn right for
campsite and YH. Left for Fort Bill. You've *made* it when you're at the
roundabout.

If you have more time at hand I strongly advise to do some Munros along the
way. P.e. Beinn Dorain and Beinn a Dothaidh from Bridge of Orchy or Cruach
Ardrain or Ben More from Crianlarich. At the end there's always Ben Nevis
itself of course, by the *easy* tourist track or the more exhilirating Carn
Mor Dearg Arete. Have a look at my pics and you'll have some idea about the
route. If you need maps just let me know and I'll email them to you. Anymore
questions will be answered if possible.
--
Theo
www.theosphotos.fotopic.net
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My tuppence worth anecdote: -
At the age of 17 - walking with two pals - got utterly drenched after
falling in the loch at Rowardennan - mucking about with an overhanging tree
branch - wandered 'drookit' into hotel and dripped all over the floor to
the bar, whereupon the Proprietor came up to us... <expecting to get flung
oot> He asked us if we knew Scottish Highland dancing? 'Sure! We learned it
at school, Gay Gordons, Strip the Willow - nae problem.' Whereupon the
Proprietor led us into a big ballroom with beseated German tourists in full
Scots evening dress very fed up because their instructor hadn't turned up.
So we agreed to step in and start a dance lesson for them... we were given
free drinks and a place to stay that night. - Still recall the happy Deutch
folks after 30 years :-)

.. The area is getting

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more interesting now, going up and down through dense wood and bracken.
Hotel with pub at 41km. Rowardennan YH at 42km. At 44km you've got to

choose

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between the high level route and low level route. I strongly advise the
lowlevel route. It's easy to miss the start of it, left of the

foresttrack.

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The following is *scrambling* over rocks and under trees and crossing

little

Quoted message said:

streams. Scottish jungle. At 48km is Rowchoish bothy. Luxury not included
:-) You reach more open ground and at 52km you pass (or stay at)

Inversnaid

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Hotel and Bunkhouse. If you can't stand busloads of old folks move on but
they've got a nice hot shower. At 58km Doune bothy, charcoal black inside.
63km Beinglas Farm campsite and little shop. Cross the bridge west for
Inverarnan Hotel. The WHW stays on the eastside of the stream. 66km Falls

of

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Falloch. If not repared by now the banks can be very muddy.69km railroad
underpass and old militairy road. Mud and rocks when wet. At 72 turn left
for Tyndrum, turn right after stile for Crianlarich, YH, B&B, hotel and
shop. You're definitly in Munro area by now. 81km Tyndrum campsite.

Tyndrum

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has (outdoor)shops, hotels, B&B. From 87km passing Beinn Dorain on open
hillside. 92km Bridge of Orchy Hotel and Bunkhouse with good barmeals.

95km

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Inveroran Hotel. 96km in *wild* camping in bend of river. You're entering
Rannoch Moor by now, a desolate and lonely place (if you forget about the
WHWwalkers). 111km *wild* camping behind Kingshouse Hotel. The hotel has a
climberspub at the back. A must. Good views of Buahaille Etive Mor (Stob
Dearg) with Curved Ridge(good scramble), the Rannoch Wall, Tower Ridge.
115km looking straight into Glencoe and start of the highly overestimated
Devil's Staircase. (but it can be nasty in rain) Kinlochleven at 124km

with

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shops, bars etc. Campsite at NWside of town. After Kinlochleven you enter
the last stage. The Mamores are north and east of you. If you like to do
some Munros you can make a *shortcut* from Kinlochleven to Glen Nevis

going

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over Stob Ban and Mullach nan Coirean or Sgurr a Mhaim. Pinewoods before
going into Glen Nevis. When you reach the road in Glen Nevis turn right

for

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campsite and YH. Left for Fort Bill. You've *made* it when you're at the
roundabout.

If you have more time at hand I strongly advise to do some Munros along

the

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way. P.e. Beinn Dorain and Beinn a Dothaidh from Bridge of Orchy or

Cruach

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Ardrain or Ben More from Crianlarich. At the end there's always Ben Nevis
itself of course, by the *easy* tourist track or the more exhilirating

Carn

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Mor Dearg Arete. Have a look at my pics and you'll have some idea about

the

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route. If you need maps just let me know and I'll email them to you.

Anymore

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questions will be answered if possible.
--
Theo
www.theosphotos.fotopic.net
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[Emailed as well as posted]

SteveO said:

'lo all,

Now, bearing in mind that I'm not a wa*ker an all that, so this is
just research; anyone any experience of the West Highland Way they'd
care to share?

Wasn't sure if this "research" was going to be necessary so hesitated
earlier, but and opinions, TR's, stuff would be greatly appreciated.

Well, I did it in 2001. I meant to write it up afterwards but I
didn't, so my memories now are not detailed. However, here's what
remains 🙂

It's 95 miles, running from Milngavie (pronounced Mullguy) to Fort
William. I did it in 7 days, as follows.

Milngavie to Drymen (14 miles)
Drymen to Rowardennan (14.5 miles)
Rowardennan to Inverarnan (17.5 miles)
Inverarnan to Tyndrum (16 miles)
Tyndrum to Kingshouse (20 miles)
Kingshouse to Kinlochleven (13 miles)
Kinlochleven to Fort William (11 miles)

Some of those days are quite long, but I was B&Bing so not carrying a
tent etc, and none of them wiped me out. I did the walk with my
sister, who's done much less walking than me and has a refreshingly
simple approach to fatigue. She walked as far as she wanted to go each
day, and then she called a taxi :-) (She didn't do the Tyndrum to
Kingshead stretch at all.)

I thought the walk was noticeably less demanding, when taken as a
whole, than the Coast to Coast, but naturally some parts were harder
than others. I thought the scenery was breathtaking - very impressive!
I was also struck by how extremely friendly almost all the pubs and
B&Bs were along the way. I did the walk in September, and for most of
the time the midgies weren't a problem. However, I became complacent
one sunny lunchtime and that was all it took for me to go home looking
as though I had chicken pox :-( Still, the fantastically varied and
beautiful fungi in the woods along the way almost made up for it 🙂

I thought the walk was well worth doing, and would recommend it
enthusiastically. It's great to be able to get in such a good walk
fairly comfortably in the space of a week. I think I used the
National Trail Guide, but I can't see it now on the shelf.

I can no longer remember the names of the B&Bs etc that I stayed in,
but I do remember how much I enjoyed arriving at The King's House
Hotel at Kingshouse after a 20 mile walk, to be greeted by my sister
with a pot of tea and cream cakes in front of a blazing fire: it was
bliss, and then there was pool and good bar food later on. Highly
recommended 🙂

Having said all of that, there's one Top Tip I wish I'd had before I
did the walk, and that's to avoid The Drovers pub in Inverarnan
(not to be confused with Inveroran, which comes up later in the walk).
Inverarnan is a very small place. My sister and I had booked into the
B&B (thank God...) but we went over to the pub (which does
accommodation) for dinner. At the pub we were met by an ill-preserved
stuffed bear, and an extremely dusty collection of other stuffed
animals. I went to the bar to get a drink, and encountered the most
actively unfriendly bar staff - unsmiling young men in kilts - that
I've ever come across. Everything in the pub seemed dirty. If there
had been somewhere else to go we'd have gone, but there wasn't. We
heard many bad stories about the place from other people doing the
walk as well. Coincidentally, I was just discussing this last Friday
night with a woman I met at the YHA in Ambleside! She did the walk in
2002, and her experience was exactly the same as mine.

If I were you - or anyone else thinking of doing the walk - I simply
wouldn't stay at Inverarnan at all. Don't encourage them: go to Ardlui
instead.

I hope this helps - have a great time! Here are some websites that I
saved at the time, and still have in my Favourites.

http://www.west-highland-way.co.uk/

http://tinyurl.com/57auo

http://www.travel-lite-uk.com/

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~fiski/whw/whw01.html

http://www.west-highland-way.co.uk/mainFrame.htm

There used to be a mileage chart on the first of those pages. Maybe
it's still there, but if so then they've moved it. It's well worth
looking for, though: I used it to decide how to break up the walk.

Best wishes,
--
Peewiglet

Katherine said:

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My tuppence worth anecdote: -
At the age of 17 - walking with two pals - got utterly drenched after
falling in the loch at Rowardennan - mucking about with an overhanging tree
branch - wandered 'drookit' into hotel and dripped all over the floor to
the bar, whereupon the Proprietor came up to us... <expecting to get flung
oot> He asked us if we knew Scottish Highland dancing? 'Sure! We learned it
at school, Gay Gordons, Strip the Willow - nae problem.' Whereupon the
Proprietor led us into a big ballroom with beseated German tourists in full
Scots evening dress very fed up because their instructor hadn't turned up.
So we agreed to step in and start a dance lesson for them... we were given
free drinks and a place to stay that night. - Still recall the happy Deutch
folks after 30 years :-)

Brilliant! What a great memory to have :-)

Best wishes,
--
Peewiglet

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:32:56 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>
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http://www.travel-lite-uk.com/

Wow! I've just noticed that these people are offering to carry kit for
the full walk for only £30! That is truly an excellent bargain...

I dunno whether you're planning to take the tent and stuff, but unless
you actually want to carry everything then do take a look at this. I
used the Sherpa people for my second C2C trip, and it was absolutely
brilliant!

According to the site, their season closes on 2nd October.

Best wishes,
--
Peewiglet

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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:32:56 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>
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http://www.travel-lite-uk.com/

Wow! I've just noticed that these people are offering to carry kit for
the full walk for only £30! That is truly an excellent bargain...

The only place they don't carry your stuff to is Inversnaid Hotel, the
detour is much too big (=expensive)

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I dunno whether you're planning to take the tent and stuff, but unless
you actually want to carry everything then do take a look at this. I
used the Sherpa people for my second C2C trip, and it was absolutely
brilliant!

According to the site, their season closes on 2nd October.

Best wishes,
--
Peewiglet

In 1998 I walked the WHW with my girlfriend (she's now my wife) and after
she developed enormous blisters on the second day we were overtaken by a
van. The people inside were handing out leaflets of their travel-lite
service. The moment couldn't have been better. At our next stop we mixed our
stuff and the part and rucksack that weren't neccessary went with them.
Later on we decided to take the bus to Fort William and gave them my large
rucksack completely stuffed. It was HUGE. Their van broke down and the pack
was delivered in Fort William in a stationcar. My pack took up half the car
and my girlfriend asked for the pack. You should have seen the driver's eyes
! My girlfriend was almost the same size as the pack :-)

--
Theo
www.theosphotos.fotopic.net
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:15:22 +0200, "theo" <[email hidden]>

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You can find my picturecollection of the WHW on www.theosphotos.fotopic.net

Ta.

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you've prepared yourself for that. You've also made reservations for the
rescueteams to come and get you if you might get in trouble ;-)

....memo to self: "must book .." ;-)

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Left for Fort Bill. You've *made* it when you're at the roundabout.

<Phew!>

Cheers Theo, you've actually crystalised my thoughts on the planning.
I'm not going for the tick, rather the mini-adventure in it all. As
such, initially, I couldn't square the route with my preferences, for
instance, with the first couple of "sections". Now I have much better
idea of what I'd be faced with; like the descriptoion "Scotish jungle"
for the fringe of loch Lomond at one point.

Ta. :-)

SteveO

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Katherine said:

So we agreed to step in and start a dance lesson for them... we were given
free drinks and a place to stay that night.

Lucky you, I, er, lack the skill you obviously have :-)
(can't dance for toffee!! ;-)

SteveO

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NMC website: http://www.thenmc.org.uk

Hi,

I'm in the process of building a Long Distance Paths Directory and the West
Highland Way is included. Just go to the interactive map at
http://www.walkingenglishman.com/ldp/ldpindexdetail.htm and click on the
West Highland Way. It includes the best web sites for information, planning
your walk, accommodation, baggage transfer and rescue services should you
need them! There are also links to 5 great journals from people who have
walked the WHW.

Regards,
Mike Brockhurst

www.walkingenglishman.com

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'lo all,

Now, bearing in mind that I'm not a wa*ker an all that, so this is
just research; anyone any experience of the West Highland Way they'd
care to share?

Wasn't sure if this "research" was going to be necessary so hesitated
earlier, but and opinions, TR's, stuff would be greatly appreciated.

SteveO

NE Climbers & walkers chat forum;
http://www.thenmc.org.uk/phpBB2/index.php

NMC website: http://www.thenmc.org.uk

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Katherine said:

So we agreed to step in and start a dance lesson for them... we were

given

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free drinks and a place to stay that night.

Lucky you, I, er, lack the skill you obviously have :-)
(can't dance for toffee!! ;-)

And that was with big tackity hiking boots on too :-)
Talking of toffee - for years I thought that those Highland Cows on the
wrapper of McGowans Toffee bars - gave ready made toffee instead of milk.

Kay

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Katherine said:

So we agreed to step in and start a dance lesson for them... we were given
free drinks and a place to stay that night.

Lucky you, I, er, lack the skill you obviously have :-)
(can't dance for toffee!! ;-)

but would have given it a go anyway for the free bar all night ??

--
Darren

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:32:56 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

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It's 95 miles, running from Milngavie (pronounced Mullguy) to Fort
William. I did it in 7 days, as follows.

Mull Guy to Fort Bill, goddit

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Some of those days are quite long, but I was B&Bing so not carrying a
tent etc,

ah, slight differnece in prospective approach already ;-)

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I did the walk with my
sister, who's done much less walking than me and has a refreshingly
simple approach to fatigue. She walked as far as she wanted to go each
day, and then she called a taxi :-)

I like that approach; simple and so refreshingly obvious!

Memo to self: make note of taxi phone numbers.

Akshally, I _am_ looking at the bus timetables ;-)

The guide I'm reading suggests extending the route by starting from
the middle of Glasgow 8-/ pah! the idea of the Milngavie section sits
uncomfortably with me (as in why would I want to walk in suburbia?) so
more urban miles? No, thankyouverymuch !!

Mulguy to Drimmen, more farmers fields and four miles of old railway
track... picking blackberries on the way, perhaps? No,
thankyouverymuch !! No appeal there either... I'm running out of walk,
eh? ;-)

Drymen, however, sounds fine; southern reaches of Loch Lomond... the
thought of starting after a night in a wigwam, well, just how exciting
is that!!

http://members.aol.com/juliamacx/camping.htm

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and that's to avoid The Drovers pub in Inverarnan

noted.

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If I were you - or anyone else thinking of doing the walk - I simply
wouldn't stay at Inverarnan at all. Don't encourage them: go to Ardlui
instead.

Akshally, the guide books suggests taking a bus over the section from
Inverarnan to, er, to er, the next place, avoid the boring bits ;-)
ergo no need to stay for the Crafty Harker!

Jumping that section might also help with a reasonable itinerary; I
don't want to get stuck in Fort Bill for a weekend, stuck in the sense
that the weekend rail timetables to get back home on a weekend just
don't exist.

Hmm, questions, questions, <mull><mull><mull>

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I hope this helps - have a great time! Here are some websites that I
saved at the time, and still have in my Favourites.

It do, Ta muchly!

SteveO

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http://www.thenmc.org.uk/phpBB2/index.php

NMC website: http://www.thenmc.org.uk

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:55:16 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

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http://www.travel-lite-uk.com/

Wow! I've just noticed that these people are offering to carry kit for
the full walk for only £30! That is truly an excellent bargain...

But, but, what about the "ethics", got to have a "clean" walk, n'est
ce que pas?
;-)

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According to the site, their season closes on 2nd October.

that'll be four days time then, I'd better get my skates on!
;-)

SteveO

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:32:52 +0200, "theo" <[email hidden]>

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"Peewiglet" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht

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http://www.travel-lite-uk.com/

Wow! I've just noticed that these people are offering to carry kit for
the full walk for only £30! That is truly an excellent bargain...

The only place they don't carry your stuff to is Inversnaid Hotel, the
detour is much too big (=expensive)

Must admit, it does look an emminently sensible suggestion (even tho'
my earlier post teased a little ;-) Maybe on another occasion.

SteveO

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Mike Brockhurst said:

I'm in the process of building a Long Distance Paths Directory and the West
Highland Way is included. Just go to the interactive map at
http://www.walkingenglishman.com/ldp/ldpindexdetail.htm

Cool, nice resource!!

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and rescue services should you need them!

no-ooooooooo!!! don't go that tacky; the walk is on a bleedin' bus
route arterall!!

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There are also links to 5 great journals from people who have
walked the WHW.

Muchos gracias

....hope you don't mind, I need to practice my language skills, I'm
well into conversing with the locals!

SteveO

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Katherine said:

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So we agreed to step in and start a dance lesson for them... we were
given free drinks and a place to stay that night.

Lucky you, I, er, lack the skill you obviously have :-)
(can't dance for toffee!! ;-)

And that was with big tackity hiking boots on too :-)

Kewl! The image is certainly one to muse over!

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Talking of toffee - for years I thought that those Highland Cows on the
wrapper of McGowans Toffee bars - gave ready made toffee instead of milk.

Y'mean they don't!!! Wha?? They, they do, they DO, please tell me they
do!!

Spoilsport ;-)

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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:32:56 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>
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Jumping that section might also help with a reasonable itinerary; I
don't want to get stuck in Fort Bill for a weekend, stuck in the sense
that the weekend rail timetables to get back home on a weekend just
don't exist.
SteveO

The railway journey seems to be very scenic but it's also expensive. I
always used the Skyeways bus, much cheaper (11 BP) and faster. Departure
times from Fort Bill (at the back of the railwaystation) to Glasgow Queen
Street Station : 8am and 12am. Travelling time 2,5-3 hrs.

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