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"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote

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It's currently 39 degrees C in the sun here

44 degrees now since I last looked.

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"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote

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It's currently 39 degrees C in the sun here

44 degrees now since I last looked.

Wha??? Where on earth are you?

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"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote

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It's currently 39 degrees C in the sun here

44 degrees now since I last looked.

Wha??? Where on earth are you?

Note that he quoted 'in the sun', which doesn't mean much. Paint the
thermometer bulb black and you could probably get 60+ indicated! It's
temperature in the shade that counts.

Regards: Jim Ford

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> It's currently 39 degrees C in the sun here

44 degrees now since I last looked.

Wha??? Where on earth are you?

Sunny Bristol.

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Note that he quoted 'in the sun', which doesn't mean much. Paint the
thermometer bulb black and you could probably get 60+ indicated! It's
temperature in the shade that counts.

Yes, 30 degrees in the shade which is why I'm indoors and not out in the
sun. Infact if I had a big enough fridge I'd sit in that. I've often
wondered why weather forecasts don't give temperatures for direct sunshine
as well. That's where most people are going to be after all.

AndyP said:

Now it's bloody summer again. Bah!

It's been summer for months. The ITV weather forecaster today said much
the same thing "summer's back" as if it had gone somewhere.

Can't understand these people who can't tell the difference between
seasons and weather.

August is typically a wet summer month. That's what August is like in
this country. It's normal for August to be wet. Wet is typical summer
weather in the UK, due to the remains of Caribbean hurricanes after they
make their way up the west coast of America then fizzle out as they
cross the Atlantic.

One week Hurricane Charlie or Freddy hits the news headlines. A week or
two later in rains in Britain... but they drop the name and just call
it rain.

And people are suprised at this?

Paul
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Fran <[email hidden]> wrote

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"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote

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It's currently 39 degrees C in the sun here

44 degrees now since I last looked.

Wha??? Where on earth are you?

Temperatures taken in the sun are meaningless - what is it in the shade?

Maximum in my garden today was 25.9°C, just a pleasantly warm summer
day.
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Gordon

AndyP <[email hidden]> wrote

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Yes, 30 degrees in the shade which is why I'm indoors and not out in the
sun. Infact if I had a big enough fridge I'd sit in that. I've often
wondered why weather forecasts don't give temperatures for direct sunshine
as well. That's where most people are going to be after all.

Yeaah, we did 10 miles in it today. It would have been 7 miles but for
a slight navigation error.
;-)
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Gordon

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Now it's bloody summer again.

Summer *again* or not today has been a scorcher. Took my youngest up Pen Y
Fan yesterday morning and walked from the Nueadd Reservoir - got to the
Craig Fan Ddu ridge and the mist came down...lasted all the way to Corn
Ddu - him & his mate were looking right fed up until we got to Corn ddu.
With the clouds below us it looked great although the mist kept drifting in
and out whilst we were on there and Pen Y fan. Came back via the Upper
Nueadd reservoir as I was quite interested to have a look at the place that
was discussed on here for wild camping.

About 6.30 this evening got itchy feet after all the gardening I have done
today and shot off up to Carn Y Cefn - not a breath of wind or a cloud in
sight - if only I had a decent camera the red glow in the sky would have
made a great picture.

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One week Hurricane Charlie or Freddy hits the news headlines. A week or
two later in rains in Britain... but they drop the name and just call
it rain.

I just hope the hurricane's are over by the end of the month - I take my
youngster to Florida then. Been saving for years to go and would not want to
ruin it...girl in my office should have been travelling there today but
Virgin cancelled her flight on Friday. She had a refund and is headed for
Barbados in the middle of next week.

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Can't understand these people who can't tell the difference between
seasons and weather.

To quote my esteemed colleague John Salt from another group, "Everyone complains
about the weather but no one does anything about it."
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"Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Yeaah, we did 10 miles in it today. It would have been 7 miles but for
a slight navigation error.

GPS let you down?

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful person Mark
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Can't understand these people who can't tell the difference between
seasons and weather.

To quote my esteemed colleague John Salt from another group, "Everyone
complains
about the weather but no one does anything about it."

Sure we do, we keep on burning the fossil fuels. Pretty soon it's going
to get nice and warm (but a bit wet below about 20m contour line). 8>.

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August is typically a wet summer month. That's what August is like in
this country. It's normal for August to be wet. Wet is typical summer
weather in the UK, due to the remains of Caribbean hurricanes after they
make their way up the west coast of America then fizzle out as they
cross the Atlantic.

Bear in mind that this August had on average twice the normal rainfall, so
it was exceptionally wet. Most of the rain does not come from ex-hurricanes
as we only typically get one or two over the whole month.

I think that when the weatherpeople say that summer has returned, they mean
that weather that the average public would associate with summer has
returned i.e. nice sunny weather. This summer has, over most of the country,
been pants, more typical of autumn, now we are in September we are
experiencing weather more typical of July/August. Hence the expression
"summer has returned".

Adam

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August is typically a wet summer month. That's what August is like in
this country. It's normal for August to be wet. Wet is typical summer
weather in the UK, due to the remains of Caribbean hurricanes after they
make their way up the west coast of America then fizzle out as they
cross the Atlantic.

Bear in mind that this August had on average twice the normal rainfall, so
it was exceptionally wet. Most of the rain does not come from ex-hurricanes
as we only typically get one or two over the whole month.

I think that when the weatherpeople say that summer has returned, they mean
that weather that the average public would associate with summer has
returned i.e. nice sunny weather. This summer has, over most of the country,
been pants, more typical of autumn, now we are in September we are
experiencing weather more typical of July/August. Hence the expression
"summer has returned".

The weatherpeople obviously hadn't considered N Wales in much detail.
As the forecast was so good we did the Snowdon Horseshoe. By the time
we'd got onto Crib Goch and come out of the lee, a bloody gale was
blowing and the rain was lashing down. Was the slowest I've ever been
across CG, and I wouldn't want to do it in any worse without being
roped. I think everyone went across the flat stone mid-way on all
fours!

It was rather exhilarating though ... once we'd got across alive 🙂

It's Michael Fish and hurricanes all over again :-)

--
Darren

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
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August is typically a wet summer month. That's what August is like in
this country. It's normal for August to be wet. Wet is typical summer
weather in the UK, due to the remains of Caribbean hurricanes after they
make their way up the west coast of America then fizzle out as they
cross the Atlantic.

Bear in mind that this August had on average twice the normal rainfall, so
it was exceptionally wet. Most of the rain does not come from ex-hurricanes
as we only typically get one or two over the whole month.

I think that when the weatherpeople say that summer has returned, they mean
that weather that the average public would associate with summer has
returned i.e. nice sunny weather. This summer has, over most of the country,
been pants, more typical of autumn, now we are in September we are
experiencing weather more typical of July/August. Hence the expression
"summer has returned".

The weatherpeople obviously hadn't considered N Wales in much detail.
As the forecast was so good we did the Snowdon Horseshoe. By the time
we'd got onto Crib Goch and come out of the lee, a bloody gale was
blowing and the rain was lashing down. Was the slowest I've ever been
across CG, and I wouldn't want to do it in any worse without being
roped. I think everyone went across the flat stone mid-way on all
fours!

It was rather exhilarating though ... once we'd got across alive 🙂

It's Michael Fish and hurricanes all over again :-)

--
Darren

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This summer has, over most of the country,
been pants,

No! It's been lovely!

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more typical of autumn,

Yes. It's been lovely!
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I try to be a good example to my children, but they just see me
as a dire warning.

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
person Gordon <[email hidden]> said

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Fran <[email hidden]> wrote

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"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote

> It's currently 39 degrees C in the sun here

44 degrees now since I last looked.

Wha??? Where on earth are you?

Temperatures taken in the sun are meaningless - what is it in the shade?

Maximum in my garden today was 25.9°C, just a pleasantly warm summer
day.

Temperatures 'in the shade' are =slightly= meaningless too, unless you
have a proper Stephenson screen, 1.25M above a grass surface. But they
are certainly more sensible than 'in the sun'.

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Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
person Gordon <[email hidden]> said

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Fran <[email hidden]> wrote

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"AndyP" <[email hidden]> wrote

> It's currently 39 degrees C in the sun here

44 degrees now since I last looked.

Wha??? Where on earth are you?

Temperatures taken in the sun are meaningless - what is it in the shade?

Maximum in my garden today was 25.9°C, just a pleasantly warm summer
day.

Temperatures 'in the shade' are =slightly= meaningless too, unless you
have a proper Stephenson screen, 1.25M above a grass surface. But they
are certainly more sensible than 'in the sun'.

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.

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Summer *again* or not today has been a scorcher. Took my youngest up
Pen Y Fan yesterday morning and walked from the Nueadd Reservoir -
got to the Craig Fan Ddu ridge and the mist came down...lasted all
the way to Corn Ddu

What a difference 50 miles can make...

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Came back
via the Upper Nueadd reservoir as I was quite interested to have a
look at the place that was discussed on here for wild camping.

And?

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if only I had a decent camera the red glow in the
sky would have made a great picture.

Paul
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http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

Adam Lea said:

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August is typically a wet summer month.

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Bear in mind that this August had on average twice the normal
rainfall, so it was exceptionally wet.

Which parts of the UK had twice the normal rainfall? And twice the
normal rainfall for which parts of the UK?

I say this because I didn't think it was particularly wet in Wales this
year, not South Wales anyway. I saw lots of rain in the northern parts
of the country in forecasts, but we didn't get that much down here, not
noticeably more than usual anyway.

Also, Wales typically gets more rain anyway, compared to England, so
even if England got twice as much as usual, that's not necessarily twice
as much as Wales usually gets.

Maybe your figures refer to the whole of the UK, but from my perspective
August in South Wales seemed pretty typical to me. Wet but no more so
than usual. But then again I haven't been keeping measurements so maybe
my perception is wrong. It was definitely less sunny than usual though,
and much cooler.

I've just checked some weather archives and found that many Augusts
suffer unusually high rainfall, often localised and causing flooding
while other places nearby remain dry, whilst in other years some Augusts
can be extremely dry. I think the bottom line is that August is
typically a very variable month from one year to the next, so it often
varies a lot from the average.

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Most of the rain does not come
from ex-hurricanes as we only typically get one or two over the whole
month.

True, but a large percentage of the monthly rainfall total can be due to
that. The other main cause is from short localised heavy downpours,
often during thunderstorms.

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I think that when the weatherpeople say that summer has returned,
they mean that weather that the average public would associate with
summer has returned i.e. nice sunny weather.

I know that's what they mean, but it surprises me that so many people
associate August with sunshine and are surprised when it rains. I
associate August with sunshine *and* rain. In the 19 years since I've
been keeping records of all my photography I've found heavy rain to be a
common theme in August. The sunny months tend to be May, June and July.

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This summer has, over
most of the country, been pants,

In the north perhaps, but not especially bad down here IMO.

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more typical of autumn,

How dare you accuse this naff summer of being like my favourite season!
:-)

This summer has been nothing like autumn, it's been like a typical bad
summer. Even when wet it hasn't been cold, nor has it been particularly
windy. Frost and gales are typical of autumn, plus wonderfully clear
cool sunshine, not at all like the hot hazy stuff you get in summer.
No, it hasn't been remotely like autumn. If it had I'd have been
dashing around taking photos and having a great time.

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now we are
in September we are experiencing weather more typical of July/August.

I disagree, it's more typical of June/July, not August. August sunshine
tends to be much hotter (often up to 30 degrees) and much hazier. So
far this sunshine has been very clear, more typical of September
sunshine (September is often a very sunny month).

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Hence the expression "summer has returned".

Yeah I understand the expression, but it's still incorrect and
misleading. It was hotter yesterday than is typical for September
though, I will give you that. If it keeps up (and they say it will for
most of the week) it may well become hazy like August sunshine.

Paul
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