Fugawi Digital Maps

Mike Brockhurst said:

I have just purchased the Northern England and Southern Scotland one for
£43.50. That is less than half the price of Anquet and Memory Map. Seems a
bargain as I am able to plot routes, view elevation details, distances,
waypoints, etc.

Is this from http://www.fugawi.com/docs/maptopoframe.html ?

If so, do the maps have to be used with the Fugawi software?

I see it refers to 1:50,000 for a quarter of GB and 1:25,000 for GB.
What does this mean? Have they sent you 1:25,000 maps for the whole of
GB?

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What am I missing?

I don't know: hopefully nothing! Someone who knows should be along
soon.

Best wishes,
--
Peewiglet

I have just purchased the Northern England and Southern Scotland one for
£43.50. That is less than half the price of Anquet and Memory Map. Seems a
bargain as I am able to plot routes, view elevation details, distances,
waypoints, etc.

What am I missing?

Mike Brockhurst
Web Site: www.walkingenglishman.com

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:50:24 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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Quoted message said:

I see it refers to 1:50,000 for a quarter of GB and 1:25,000 for GB.
What does this mean? Have they sent you 1:25,000 maps for the whole of
GB?

Whoops. I see, on turning to another of their pages, that it's not
1:25,000 - it's 1:250,000. Unfortunately they've not included commas
in the numbers at http://www.fugawi.com/docs/maptopoframe.html and I
didn't count the 0s.

Best wishes,
--
Peewiglet

Mike Brockhurst said:

I have just purchased the Northern England and Southern Scotland one for
£43.50. That is less than half the price of Anquet and Memory Map. Seems a
bargain as I am able to plot routes, view elevation details, distances,
waypoints, etc.

Can you please tell me the northern and southern limits of the
Northern England map? I'm wondering whether it might cover the whole
of the Pennine Way route (Edale, Derbyshire to Yirk Yetholm).

Best wishes,
--
Peewiglet

Nick Hopton <[email hidden]> wrote

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In a recent message <[email hidden]>, Mike
Brockhurst <[email hidden]> wrote.

Quoted message said:

I have just purchased the Northern England and Southern Scotland one for
£43.50. That is less than half the price of Anquet and Memory Map. Seems a
bargain as I am able to plot routes, view elevation details, distances,
waypoints, etc.

What am I missing?

Stuff like 3D views and fly-bys, I believe and elevation data at a
higher resolution. No great loss at all to me, Fugawi UK is super value
so far as I'm concerned.

Not to mention that it's probably only 1:50,000.
I use 1:25,000 for preference.
--
Gordon

Mike Brockhurst said:

I have just purchased the Northern England and Southern Scotland one for
£43.50. That is less than half the price of Anquet and Memory Map. Seems a
bargain as I am able to plot routes, view elevation details, distances,
waypoints, etc.

What am I missing?

I'm not familiar with Fugawi (or Anquet), but recent GPS receivers
have the ability to navigate tracks as well as routes. With Memory Map
2004 (and OziExplorer) you can create tracks with the mapping software
and navigate them, just as you would a route. The difference is,
instead of being limited to (typically) 500 waypoints to use amongst
20 routes, you can have 20 tracks with around 500 points to each
track. If you have a basic Etrex with one route of 50(?) waypoints, it
makes sense to use the track facility.

Chris <proteus1@gmxDOTnet.?> wrote

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Mike Brockhurst said:

I have just purchased the Northern England and Southern Scotland one for
£43.50. That is less than half the price of Anquet and Memory Map. Seems a
bargain as I am able to plot routes, view elevation details, distances,
waypoints, etc.

What am I missing?

I'm not familiar with Fugawi (or Anquet), but recent GPS receivers
have the ability to navigate tracks as well as routes. With Memory Map
2004 (and OziExplorer) you can create tracks with the mapping software
and navigate them, just as you would a route. The difference is,
instead of being limited to (typically) 500 waypoints to use amongst
20 routes, you can have 20 tracks with around 500 points to each
track. If you have a basic Etrex with one route of 50(?) waypoints, it
makes sense to use the track facility.

Yes, I always use tracks in the car, easier to see safely when driving,
and you don't need a mapping one.

Trouble is - with GPSRs with a mean track capacity, you could see
yourself following your own tail, which would recede quickly ahead of
you, if you filled the track memory. :-)
--
Gordon

Chris said:

I'm not familiar with Fugawi (or Anquet), but recent GPS receivers
have the ability to navigate tracks as well as routes. With Memory Map
2004 (and OziExplorer) you can create tracks with the mapping software
and navigate them, just as you would a route.

You can save an Anquet route as a track.

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The difference is,
instead of being limited to (typically) 500 waypoints to use amongst
20 routes, you can have 20 tracks with around 500 points to each
track. If you have a basic Etrex with one route of 50(?) waypoints, it
makes sense to use the track facility.

Certainly a good idea, but personally I don't want to fill my trackslots
with routes, I have other uses for them.

What I've just discovered is that if you plan a route using Mapsource
(obviously I've only been able to do this with roads since I have no
topo mapping yet), the route waypoints are specific to the route, which
means they aren't saved as conventional waypoints.

This creates great potential since the 60CS has 50 routes with 250
waypoints in each. Thus it's theoretically possible to store up to
12,500 "route waypoints" without wasting any of the 1000 standard
waypoints.

Unfortunately it only seems to work from Mapsource. Routes sent from
OziExplorer and Anquet maps use conventional waypoints. I've been
trying to figure out a way of converting a conventional route into a
Mapsource route, by loading the conventional route into the GPS, then
saving it to Mapsource, then deleting the original in the GPS and
reloading it from Mapsource, but the waypoints remain as normal
waypoints. I don't know how to convert a normal waypoint into a route
waypoint. Mapsource does not do this automatically and I can't find any
info on the distinction between waypoint types. Does anyone have any
ideas?

Probably worth me emailing Anquet to tell them about this 60CS feature
and asking if they can implement it. They don't yet have proper support
for the 60CS.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=118749

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Not to mention that it's probably only 1:50,000.
I use 1:25,000 for preference.
--
Gordon

But arnt the big two only 1:25k in popular Munroey type areas?

Richard Webb

Paul Saunders said:

This creates great potential since the 60CS has 50 routes with 250
waypoints in each. Thus it's theoretically possible to store up to
12,500 "route waypoints" without wasting any of the 1000 standard
waypoints.

Unfortunately it only seems to work from Mapsource. Routes sent from
OziExplorer and Anquet maps use conventional waypoints. I've been
trying to figure out a way of converting a conventional route into a
Mapsource route, by loading the conventional route into the GPS, then
saving it to Mapsource, then deleting the original in the GPS and
reloading it from Mapsource, but the waypoints remain as normal
waypoints.

<snip>
Maybe the Mapsource waypoints are more like trackpoints? I don't see a
way around the conventional waypoint capacity of a unit, which is
often 500, and in your case 1,000.

The point about using the saved tracks capacity of a GPS (apart from
the quantity of trackpoints available) is that provided you can hit
base to offload recorded tracks, you rarely need 20 saved tracks. I
can't speak for the 60CS but the units I use always display the
waypoint name with routes, obscuring the route detail. Which is why I
tend to prefer navigating by track.

Chris said:

Maybe the Mapsource waypoints are more like trackpoints?

They seem to be. They don't have to have unique names.

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The point about using the saved tracks capacity of a GPS (apart from
the quantity of trackpoints available) is that provided you can hit
base to offload recorded tracks, you rarely need 20 saved tracks.

But I'm using saved tracks to draw my own map features, displaying each
in a different colour, like contours, streams, forests, tracks etc.
Different colour tracks are very useful for this purpose.

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I
can't speak for the 60CS but the units I use always display the
waypoint name with routes, obscuring the route detail. Which is why I
tend to prefer navigating by track.

I can switch waypoint names off on the map screen, or have a choice of
three different text sizes.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=118749

RJ Webb <[email hidden]> wrote

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Not to mention that it's probably only 1:50,000.
I use 1:25,000 for preference.
--
Gordon

But arnt the big two only 1:25k in popular Munroey type areas?

Richard Webb

I thought they covered the Yorks Dales and Peak District?
--
Gordon

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
person Gordon <[email hidden]> said

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RJ Webb <[email hidden]> wrote

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Not to mention that it's probably only 1:50,000.
I use 1:25,000 for preference.
--
Gordon

But arnt the big two only 1:25k in popular Munroey type areas?

Richard Webb

I thought they covered the Yorks Dales and Peak District?

Just to mention again, if you want digital 1:25k data for =anywhere= in
the UK, not just 'popular hotspots' then www.tracklogs.co.uk have it (at
a price). I don't work for them, but I am a happy customer.

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:09:40 +0100, Gordon <[email hidden]>

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RJ Webb <[email hidden]> wrote

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Not to mention that it's probably only 1:50,000.
I use 1:25,000 for preference.
--
Gordon

But arnt the big two only 1:25k in popular Munroey type areas?

Richard Webb

I thought they covered the Yorks Dales and Peak District?

Sorry forgot about England...

Richard Webb

RJ Webb <[email hidden]> wrote

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:09:40 +0100, Gordon <[email hidden]>

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RJ Webb <[email hidden]> wrote

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>Not to mention that it's probably only 1:50,000.
>I use 1:25,000 for preference.
>--
>Gordon
But arnt the big two only 1:25k in popular Munroey type areas?

Richard Webb

I thought they covered the Yorks Dales and Peak District?

Sorry forgot about England...

S'ok, I didn't know they covered Scockland.
--
Gordon

GSV Three Minds in a Can <[email hidden]> wrote

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Just to mention again, if you want digital 1:25k data for =anywhere= in
the UK, not just 'popular hotspots' then www.tracklogs.co.uk have it (at
a price). I don't work for them, but I am a happy customer.

Yes, I downloaded the evaluation version and am playing with it.
there doesn't seem to be a way of slowing the 'walk-through' speed in
the Evaluation, I assume that there must be in the full monte?

I'll have a look at the prices again, it works out at roughly 40 quid
for an Explorer sized area, £49 quid for a 40km x 40km square.

The Landranger 1:50,000 isn't too pricey, but I always use the 25,000
series.
--
Gordon

GSV Three Minds in a Can <[email hidden]> wrote

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Just to mention again, if you want digital 1:25k data for =anywhere= in
the UK, not just 'popular hotspots' then www.tracklogs.co.uk have it (at
a price). I don't work for them, but I am a happy customer.

I'm evaluating the evaluation version at present.
I can't find the price of the registered version, only the maps!

Help!
--
Gordon

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
person Gordon <[email hidden]> said

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GSV Three Minds in a Can <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Just to mention again, if you want digital 1:25k data for =anywhere= in
the UK, not just 'popular hotspots' then www.tracklogs.co.uk have it (at
a price). I don't work for them, but I am a happy customer.

Yes, I downloaded the evaluation version and am playing with it.
there doesn't seem to be a way of slowing the 'walk-through' speed in
the Evaluation, I assume that there must be in the full monte?

The demo has everything the real version has. I think you want tools,
option, 3d landscape, motion, adjust the sliders.

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I'll have a look at the prices again, it works out at roughly 40 quid
for an Explorer sized area, £49 quid for a 40km x 40km square.

The Landranger 1:50,000 isn't too pricey, but I always use the 25,000
series.

Me too, which is why I went with tracklogs .. I walk a lot around home
which isn't on the tourist hotspots, thank God, which means most folks
don't offer 1:25k data.

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GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
person Gordon <[email hidden]> said

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GSV Three Minds in a Can <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Just to mention again, if you want digital 1:25k data for =anywhere= in
the UK, not just 'popular hotspots' then www.tracklogs.co.uk have it (at
a price). I don't work for them, but I am a happy customer.

I'm evaluating the evaluation version at present.
I can't find the price of the registered version, only the maps!

The software comes free with any/every map. I have about 4 sets of it by
now. It also comes free with the free map data they give you if you buy
a GPS from them.

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.