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  1. Hello All,
    In my last two races of the season I had severe pain above my knee cap.
    Since then, I've developed pain below my knee as well, with stiffness every
    morning. My family doctor says it is patella tendonitis, and I need to rest,
    no running or biking. She did recommend light strength training.
    So here is my question, does anyone have experience with this? My goal
    was to start building up my running miles this winter, and do a half
    marathon in the spring, in preparation for my duathlon season. How long
    should I wait before resuming training? Should I see a specialist?

    Thanks in Advance,
    Larry

  2. Were you running or cycling when it was hurting? Saddle position can help
    if it was on the bike. Try high rep/ low weight leg extensions from the 45
    degree to fully extended position. This was an exercise that a PT had given
    me as a strengthening exercise for the inner most head of the quads, which
    is often the culprit of patella tendonitis. A good PT should be able to
    work you through this very common problem. Good luck.

    AJ

    "Larry Gray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hello All,
    In my last two races of the season I had severe pain above my knee


    cap.

    Quoted message said:

    Since then, I've developed pain below my knee as well, with stiffness


    every

    Quoted message said:

    morning. My family doctor says it is patella tendonitis, and I need to


    rest,

    Quoted message said:

    no running or biking. She did recommend light strength training.
    So here is my question, does anyone have experience with this? My goal
    was to start building up my running miles this winter, and do a half
    marathon in the spring, in preparation for my duathlon season. How long
    should I wait before resuming training? Should I see a specialist?

    Thanks in Advance,
    Larry

  3. I suffered with a terrible case (both knees) about 10 years back. It
    shut me down just a few weeks before the NYC marathon. I could run but
    I could not walk, which is to say that after a mile or so of running
    the pain would disappear, only to return after I'd cooled down. I was
    miserable and looked even worse walking around the office. I went and
    had my gait analyzed and the guys told me they were amazed I could
    even walk upright with my screwed up skeletal structure. They made me
    my first set of orthotics and after I recovered from the injury, I
    started wearing them to run as well as in my cycling shoes.

    Never had the problem again. In fact, that was the last tiny bit of
    knee pain I ever had.

  4. Hello,
    I didn't notice it on the bike, although my legs felt spent and I
    couldn't push it. It started right on the run. Thanks for the advice, it
    probably happened because I've neglected the weight room this year.

    Thanks,
    Larry

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    Quoted message said:

    Were you running or cycling when it was hurting? Saddle position can help
    if it was on the bike. Try high rep/ low weight leg extensions from the
    45
    degree to fully extended position. This was an exercise that a PT had
    given
    me as a strengthening exercise for the inner most head of the quads, which
    is often the culprit of patella tendonitis. A good PT should be able to
    work you through this very common problem. Good luck.

    AJ

    "Larry Gray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hello All,
    In my last two races of the season I had severe pain above my knee


    cap.

    Quoted message said:

    Since then, I've developed pain below my knee as well, with stiffness


    every

    Quoted message said:

    morning. My family doctor says it is patella tendonitis, and I need to


    rest,

    Quoted message said:

    no running or biking. She did recommend light strength training.
    So here is my question, does anyone have experience with this? My
    goal
    was to start building up my running miles this winter, and do a half
    marathon in the spring, in preparation for my duathlon season. How long
    should I wait before resuming training? Should I see a specialist?

    Thanks in Advance,
    Larry

  5. "Larry Gray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hello All,
    In my last two races of the season I had severe pain above my knee cap.
    Since then, I've developed pain below my knee as well, with stiffness every
    morning. My family doctor says it is patella tendonitis, and I need to rest,
    no running or biking. She did recommend light strength training.
    So here is my question, does anyone have experience with this? My goal
    was to start building up my running miles this winter, and do a half
    marathon in the spring, in preparation for my duathlon season. How long
    should I wait before resuming training? Should I see a specialist?

    Rest will probably help, but will not solve the problem. Leg
    extension exercises will help (as mentioned by A.J.). Try turning
    your toes out slightly as you do them in order to focus the effort on
    the vastus medialis. Running often causes the v. medialis to become
    weak relative to the v. lateralis, leading to knee pain. I also like
    to do the exercise very slowly, particularly working the
    eccentric/negative motion.

    If your hamstrings are even slightly tight, try to work on stretching
    them. Tight hamstrings will affect the rotation of the entire lower
    extremity and alter the tracking of the kneecap, or so I've heard.

    For instant relief, try running with a cho-pat strap (multiple
    versions are available from roadrunner sports and other vendors).
    Strap it around the patellar tendon (not too tight) and it pins the
    tendon, effectively shortening it and moving its insertion closer to
    the kneecap so that the kneecap can't track as far out of line. When
    I had pain above my kneecap two years ago, I could tell the difference
    the strap made within 60 seconds of putting it on or taking it off. I
    haven't tried cycling with it, but it might help there as well. Ice
    massage of the knee following workouts will also help relieve
    inflammation, etc.

    Other considerations are choice of shoes, age of shoes, orthotics,
    etc. Overpronation can cause either of these types of knee pain, so
    you might want to consult a running specialty store or a PT if you're
    not sure about your shoes or your biomechanical tendencies.

    If you don't have major biomechanical problems to resolve, patellar
    tendinitis is a pretty routine running injury, so you should be able
    to work through the problem on your own without seeing a specialist.
    If you do need to consult a doctor, I wouldn't rely on a general
    practitioner unless the person is also a veteran runner and familiar
    with running injuries. The average member of my running club seems to
    have more experience with common running injuries than the average GP.
    On the other hand, the right specialist or PT can often work wonders.

    As far as how long to rest, this is the perfect time of the season for
    a break. On the other hand, I often find that not running causes me
    to stiffen up so that my symptoms get worse. Some injuries won't heal
    without complete rest while others seem to need some exercise to work
    their way out. On balance, I would give the strengthening and
    stretching exercises a head start for a couple of weeks and then start
    with a bit of jogging or relaxed spinning depending on how the knee
    feels.

    Good luck,
    Jason Blank

  6. Hello,
    Thanks for the reply. Rest and leg extensions have helped. I've seen the
    straps advertised. Are they safe?

    Thanks,
    Larry

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    Quoted message said:

    "Larry Gray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hello All,
    In my last two races of the season I had severe pain above my knee
    cap.
    Since then, I've developed pain below my knee as well, with stiffness
    every
    morning. My family doctor says it is patella tendonitis, and I need to
    rest,
    no running or biking. She did recommend light strength training.
    So here is my question, does anyone have experience with this? My
    goal
    was to start building up my running miles this winter, and do a half
    marathon in the spring, in preparation for my duathlon season. How long
    should I wait before resuming training? Should I see a specialist?

    Rest will probably help, but will not solve the problem. Leg
    extension exercises will help (as mentioned by A.J.). Try turning
    your toes out slightly as you do them in order to focus the effort on
    the vastus medialis. Running often causes the v. medialis to become
    weak relative to the v. lateralis, leading to knee pain. I also like
    to do the exercise very slowly, particularly working the
    eccentric/negative motion.

    If your hamstrings are even slightly tight, try to work on stretching
    them. Tight hamstrings will affect the rotation of the entire lower
    extremity and alter the tracking of the kneecap, or so I've heard.

    For instant relief, try running with a cho-pat strap (multiple
    versions are available from roadrunner sports and other vendors).
    Strap it around the patellar tendon (not too tight) and it pins the
    tendon, effectively shortening it and moving its insertion closer to
    the kneecap so that the kneecap can't track as far out of line. When
    I had pain above my kneecap two years ago, I could tell the difference
    the strap made within 60 seconds of putting it on or taking it off. I
    haven't tried cycling with it, but it might help there as well. Ice
    massage of the knee following workouts will also help relieve
    inflammation, etc.

    Other considerations are choice of shoes, age of shoes, orthotics,
    etc. Overpronation can cause either of these types of knee pain, so
    you might want to consult a running specialty store or a PT if you're
    not sure about your shoes or your biomechanical tendencies.

    If you don't have major biomechanical problems to resolve, patellar
    tendinitis is a pretty routine running injury, so you should be able
    to work through the problem on your own without seeing a specialist.
    If you do need to consult a doctor, I wouldn't rely on a general
    practitioner unless the person is also a veteran runner and familiar
    with running injuries. The average member of my running club seems to
    have more experience with common running injuries than the average GP.
    On the other hand, the right specialist or PT can often work wonders.

    As far as how long to rest, this is the perfect time of the season for
    a break. On the other hand, I often find that not running causes me
    to stiffen up so that my symptoms get worse. Some injuries won't heal
    without complete rest while others seem to need some exercise to work
    their way out. On balance, I would give the strengthening and
    stretching exercises a head start for a couple of weeks and then start
    with a bit of jogging or relaxed spinning depending on how the knee
    feels.

    Good luck,
    Jason Blank

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    "Larry Gray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <<snip>>

    Quoted message said:

    If your hamstrings are even slightly tight, try to work on stretching
    them. Tight hamstrings will affect the rotation of the entire lower
    extremity and alter the tracking of the kneecap, or so I've heard.

    <<snip>>

    Quoted message said:

    Jason Blank

    I found this a helpful contribution. I have had tight hamstrings since I
    was a teen, with no symptoms (discomfort).

    Some factors related to my knee pain:

    * It is bearable, compared to my PF experience.
    * It subsides after a mile, even on cold days.
    * I have never been fond of stretching.

    Since reading this I have experimented with basic hamstring stretching,
    sometimes after warming up, sometimes not.

    It seems to make a difference in that I can "get down to business" earlier
    in my run workouts

    Thanks for the contribution. It never occured to me that the problem could
    be on the other side of my leg!.

    RR

  8. Great information on patella tendonitis, but is that really the
    problem? I've got a similar injury, but it's still just above my
    kneecap, not below it. I thought petella tendontis cause pain below
    the kneecap.

    -sTeve-O

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