TdF 2005 changes

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:10:10 GMT, [email hidden] (Jørn

Dahl-Stamnes) said:

Just read that there will be only one time trail stage during TdF 2005. And
not so many mountain stages. Seems like they will try to make it easier for
other than Lance to win the tour...

is that on the basis, that they've tried to make it harder for him
and he still wins. So now level the playing field - literally!

He'll still win.

Steve

That is if he shows up. Lance has got to be thinking about the Giro and the
Vuelta. If He shows up for the TdF, he'll have to win it. I'm not so sure
the TdF is on his program.

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:10:10 GMT, [email hidden] (Jørn

Dahl-Stamnes) said:

Just read that there will be only one time trail stage during TdF 2005.

And

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not so many mountain stages. Seems like they will try to make it easier

for

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other than Lance to win the tour...

is that on the basis, that they've tried to make it harder for him
and he still wins. So now level the playing field - literally!

He'll still win.

Steve

Jørn Dahl-Stamnes said:

Just read that there will be only one time trail stage during TdF 2005. And
not so many mountain stages. Seems like they will try to make it easier for
other than Lance to win the tour...

--
Jørn Dahl-Stamnes

I fail to see how less mountains or less time trials makes it easier for
someone to win. More mountains and more time trials seem to make people
ride more conservatively. Fewer opportunities to gain time means if you
aren't ready on this day on this time, you're stuffed.

Jørn Dahl-Stamnes said:

Just read that there will be only one time trail stage during TdF 2005. And
not so many mountain stages.

Start July 2nd on the island of Noirmoutier, first the Alpes then the
Pyrenees, three mountain top finishes, one time trial in St. Etienne on
the penultimate day, finish in Paris July 24th.

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2004/interviews/?id=lance_armstrong043b

"CN: Will this situation (Simeoni lawsuit and blah blah) change your
possibility to ride the Giro d'Italia?

LA: Yeah, and I have to ask myself do I want to subject myself and my team
and my sponsor the Discovery Channel to a tremendous photo op for the
Italian police and the answer to that is no. Why would I want to show up and
have them waiting at the airport and whisk me off?"

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That is if he shows up. Lance has got to be thinking about the Giro and

the

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Vuelta. If He shows up for the TdF, he'll have to win it. I'm not so

sure

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the TdF is on his program.

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:10:10 GMT, [email hidden] (Jørn

Dahl-Stamnes) said:

Just read that there will be only one time trail stage during TdF 2005.

And

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not so many mountain stages. Seems like they will try to make it easier

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

other than Lance to win the tour...

is that on the basis, that they've tried to make it harder for him
and he still wins. So now level the playing field - literally!

He'll still win.

Steve

gym gravity said:

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I fail to see how less mountains or less time trials makes it easier

for

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someone to win. More mountains and more time trials seem to make

people

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ride more conservatively. Fewer opportunities to gain time means if

you

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aren't ready on this day on this time, you're stuffed.

Dumbass -

Flatter stages are harder for 1 team to control.

This is self-evident for anyone who understands drafting or do I need
to explain that too?

K. Gringioni.

The likeliness of someone winning the Tour is the same, no matter how many
mountains and time trials there are.
Every year, ONE person wins the Tour de France.
I'm not sure if you knew that.

Anyway, if the deciding stages are mostly mountain and time trial stages,
Armstrong does serve a much better chance than if the race were to be
decided by a crash splitting the peloton.

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Jørn Dahl-Stamnes said:

Just read that there will be only one time trail stage during TdF 2005.

And

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not so many mountain stages. Seems like they will try to make it easier

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

other than Lance to win the tour...

--
Jørn Dahl-Stamnes

I fail to see how less mountains or less time trials makes it easier for
someone to win. More mountains and more time trials seem to make people
ride more conservatively. Fewer opportunities to gain time means if you
aren't ready on this day on this time, you're stuffed.

I thought this was just a troll, until I read it on velonews
One time trial? One 20km time trial?

What would make a lot more sense is to make the stage difficulties more
even, instead of a bunch of flat stages and a few hard mountain stages.
Make the mountain stages less difficult, while making the flatter stages
much longer, and making them as hilly as possible (when passing through
hilly areas, of course).
Then we might see more wide open racing.
But I guess they just want the race profile to get easier and easier. Pretty
soon, the race will be won by a bunch sprinter who gets enough bonus
seconds.

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Just read that there will be only one time trail stage during TdF 2005.

And

Quoted message said:

not so many mountain stages. Seems like they will try to make it easier

for

Quoted message said:

other than Lance to win the tour...

--
Jørn Dahl-Stamnes

"Philip W. Moore, Jr." <philipmonews.com>...

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That is if he shows up. Lance has got to be thinking about the Giro and the
Vuelta. If He shows up for the TdF, he'll have to win it. I'm not so sure
the TdF is on his program.

Lance will *not* do the Giro in 2005.
Discovery Channel has Popyvich and Savoldelli to lead them in Italy.
Required reading is the new CyclingNews.com Lance interview.

Offical Tour Route 2005 to be announced Thursday (tomorrow morning).

-Ken

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"Steve Walton" <sj_walindividual.de...

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:10:10 GMT, [email hidden] (Jørn

Dahl-Stamnes) said:

Just read that there will be only one time trail stage during TdF 2005.

And

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not so many mountain stages. Seems like they will try to make it easier

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

other than Lance to win the tour...

is that on the basis, that they've tried to make it harder for him
and he still wins. So now level the playing field - literally!

He'll still win.

Steve

Brenton James said:

I thought this was just a troll, until I read it on velonews
One time trial? One 20km time trial?

Obvious influence of Lance behind the scenes.
He wants to completely eliminate Lemond from the record books as the
fastest non-prologue ITT in the Tour. It will be a straight-line TT and
the direction will be selected to suit the wind direction on the day.

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I thought this was just a troll, until I read it on velonews
One time trial? One 20km time trial?

You read wrong.

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What would make a lot more sense is to make the stage difficulties more
even, instead of a bunch of flat stages and a few hard mountain stages.
Make the mountain stages less difficult, while making the flatter stages

"Philip W. Moore, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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That is if he shows up. Lance has got to be thinking about the Giro and
the
Vuelta. If He shows up for the TdF, he'll have to win it. I'm not so
sure
the TdF is on his program.

"Steve Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:10:10 GMT, [email hidden] (Jørn

Dahl-Stamnes) said:

Just read that there will be only one time trail stage during TdF 2005.

And

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not so many mountain stages. Seems like they will try to make it easier

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

other than Lance to win the tour...

is that on the basis, that they've tried to make it harder for him
and he still wins. So now level the playing field - literally!

He'll still win.

Steve

I think Lance had so much fun on the Pave at TdF this year, that he's
thinking Paris-Roubaix and/or Flanders. Hincapie will be super-domestique
again and Lance will ride off and leave him in the dusts to claim one of
these monuments.

Bob C.

Ahh, so it will be just like 2000

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I thought this was just a troll, until I read it on velonews
One time trial? One 20km time trial?

You read wrong.

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What would make a lot more sense is to make the stage difficulties more
even, instead of a bunch of flat stages and a few hard mountain stages.
Make the mountain stages less difficult, while making the flatter stages

And it will start on the top of a hill

If nowone breaks the record there, we will all know for sure that Lemond was
on EPO

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Brenton James said:

I thought this was just a troll, until I read it on velonews
One time trial? One 20km time trial?

Obvious influence of Lance behind the scenes.
He wants to completely eliminate Lemond from the record books as the
fastest non-prologue ITT in the Tour. It will be a straight-line TT and
the direction will be selected to suit the wind direction on the day.

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That is if he shows up. Lance has got to be thinking about the Giro and
the
Vuelta. If He shows up for the TdF, he'll have to win it. I'm not so
sure
the TdF is on his program.

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:10:10 GMT, [email hidden] (Jørn
Dahl-Stamnes) wrote:

>Just read that there will be only one time trail stage during TdF

2005.

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And

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>not so many mountain stages. Seems like they will try to make it

easier

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for

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>other than Lance to win the tour...
>
is that on the basis, that they've tried to make it harder for him
and he still wins. So now level the playing field - literally!

He'll still win.

Steve

I think Lance had so much fun on the Pave at TdF this year, that he's
thinking Paris-Roubaix and/or Flanders. Hincapie will be super-domestique
again and Lance will ride off and leave him in the dusts to claim one of
these monuments.

Bob C.

Paris-Roubaix has too much risk of injury for Armstrong. I've always
considered him a strong possible candidate for the Ronde van Vlaanderen, and
I never really understood why he did not ride there.

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I thought this was just a troll, until I read it on velonews
One time trial? One 20km time trial?

You read wrong.

There three TTs:
Stage 1 = 19km ITT (no Prologue this year)
Stage 4 = 64km TTT
Stage 20 = 55km ITT - the penultimate stage

-Ken
http://www.letour.fr/2005/presentationus/parcours.html

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What would make a lot more sense is to make the stage difficulties more
even, instead of a bunch of flat stages and a few hard mountain stages.
Make the mountain stages less difficult, while making the flatter stages

"k.j.papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Brenton James" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I thought this was just a troll, until I read it on velonews
One time trial? One 20km time trial?

You read wrong.

There three TTs:
Stage 1 = 19km ITT (no Prologue this year)
Stage 4 = 64km TTT
Stage 20 = 55km ITT - the penultimate stage

-Ken
http://www.letour.fr/2005/presentationus/parcours.html

Quoted message said:

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What would make a lot more sense is to make the stage difficulties more
even, instead of a bunch of flat stages and a few hard mountain stages.
Make the mountain stages less difficult, while making the flatter stages

"k.j.papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Brenton James" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I thought this was just a troll, until I read it on velonews
One time trial? One 20km time trial?

You read wrong.

There three TTs:
Stage 1 = 19km ITT (no Prologue this year)
Stage 4 = 64km TTT
Stage 20 = 55km ITT - the penultimate stage

-Ken
http://www.letour.fr/2005/presentationus/parcours.html

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What would make a lot more sense is to make the stage difficulties more
even, instead of a bunch of flat stages and a few hard mountain stages.
Make the mountain stages less difficult, while making the flatter stages

Kurgan Gringioni said:

gym gravity said:

I fail to see how less mountains or less time trials makes it easier

for

Quoted message said:

someone to win. More mountains and more time trials seem to make

people

Quoted message said:

ride more conservatively. Fewer opportunities to gain time means if

you

Quoted message said:

aren't ready on this day on this time, you're stuffed.

Dumbass -

Flatter stages are harder for 1 team to control.

This is self-evident for anyone who understands drafting or do I need
to explain that too?

K. Gringioni.

Didn't I say it should be harder? For more than one reason of course.