Shared paths

"Wayne & Mimma" <[email hidden]> wrote

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The people myself and a friend had a run in with today said we had ruined
their party......little do they realise that if it wasn't for our riding
abilities their party could have been much worse...

More details.. what happened?

hippy

"Wayne & Mimma" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Perth has a decent network of shared paths around the river and

throughtout

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the metro area.....

These are suppsoed to be used for riding, walking, running etc...NOT
STANDING IN BIG GROUPS SOCIALISING OR HAVING A PARTY PEOPLE!!!!!

Pull your heads in and realise that when a bike hits you whether it is

doing

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40 or 10 kms it will still hurt you......

People of Perth WAKE UP!!!!!!

The people myself and a friend had a run in with today said we had ruined
their party......little do they realise that if it wasn't for our riding
abilities their party could have been much worse...

Wayne & Mimma

I agree 1000% with you, but surly you need to be telling the people of Perth
in another forum as you are preaching to the converted here - we all cycle.

regards

Andrew

Wayne & Mimma said:

Perth has a decent network of shared paths around the river and throughtout
the metro area.....

These are suppsoed to be used for riding, walking, running etc...NOT
STANDING IN BIG GROUPS SOCIALISING OR HAVING A PARTY PEOPLE!!!!!

Pull your heads in and realise that when a bike hits you whether it is doing
40 or 10 kms it will still hurt you......

People of Perth WAKE UP!!!!!!

The people myself and a friend had a run in with today said we had ruined
their party......little do they realise that if it wasn't for our riding
abilities their party could have been much worse...

Behaviour on Perth shared paths around the river is generally better on commuter days than on the weekend when lots of people get out for barbecues and wander apparently aimlessly through the parks beside the river, including over/along/across bike paths.

However, after numerous near misses and a few 'discussions with the clueless', I have come to the conclusion that many of them do not know that it is a shared path. Signage exists mainly at the ends of the paths, there is little marking on the bitumen of the path itself, and no or very few signs along the length of the path. Many of these people wander from their cars across the lawns towards the river, never having seen any sign that the strip of bitumen they see before them is used by cyclists.

I get [censored] with them, but I am thinking that the solution may be better information through more signage. Might be time for a campaign of email to the Perth City Council. I'm sure they would appreciate being reminded of their potential public liability exposure if they do not improve things. Not just from a pedestrian who was injured. If a cyclist hit a ped and was hurt because the ped was not adequately informed of the danger of the shared path and was standing aimlessly on it, there could be enough damages to pay for a nice new carbon fibre frame and some new carbon wheels (hm........know anyone who'd be prepared to stand on a bike path and take a little bump?)

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Perth has a decent network of shared paths around the river and

throughtout >the metro area.....

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These are suppsoed to be used for riding, walking, running etc...NOT
STANDING IN BIG GROUPS SOCIALISING OR HAVING A PARTY PEOPLE!!!!!

Why are you ranting to us, the cyclists?

Just accept that on a sunny weekend, you'll need to ride slower along
the river foreshores. Most people will make room when they hear the
bell, but there are plenty of the clueless.
Fortunately, Perth has plenty of other cycleways, esp along the
freeways, where you can still get a good workout. The river paths
are mainly recreational, and well-shared for most of the week.

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40 or 10 kms it will still hurt you......

40km/hr along the river on a Sunday?! Cool it a little.

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I agree 1000% with you, but surly you need to be telling the people of Perth

I hope thats a typo Andrew, or you are 9000% worse than the dumb sports
jocks who give 110% :-)

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in another forum as you are preaching to the converted here - we all cycle.

Amen.

"Wayne & Mimma" wrote

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Perth has a decent network of shared paths around the river and
throughtout the metro area.....

Yes Perth has a huge network of shared paths, and so as cyclists we have a
huge choice. Sundays around the South Perth foreshore (which is where I am
asuming this incident occurred) is not a good time to be riding on this
particular section of path (especially not at 40kmph), simply because there
are so many kids, families, and generally clueless people who do not
regularly use these paths. Yes they are a pain, but just accept that this
is where they congregate, especially on Sundays, and especially when the
weather is good. So choose another path, along the freeway is always good
and you can easily maintain 40kmph along here without any problems. You get
a few walkers and the occasional recreational cyclist along here, but there
are not many of them, and they typically are aware of other path users.
"Shared path", meaning we share with others, as much as they share with us.

Bjay

bjay said:

"Wayne & Mimma" wrote

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Perth has a decent network of shared paths around the river and
throughtout the metro area.....

Yes Perth has a huge network of shared paths, and so as cyclists we have a
huge choice. Sundays around the South Perth foreshore (which is where I am
asuming this incident occurred) is not a good time to be riding on this
particular section of path (especially not at 40kmph), simply because there
are so many kids, families, and generally clueless people who do not
regularly use these paths. Yes they are a pain, but just accept that this
is where they congregate, especially on Sundays, and especially when the
weather is good. So choose another path, along the freeway is always good
and you can easily maintain 40kmph along here without any problems. You get
a few walkers and the occasional recreational cyclist along here, but there
are not many of them, and they typically are aware of other path users.
"Shared path", meaning we share with others, as much as they share with us.

Bjay

good signage and sadly a central line is the only real solution to this scenario IMHO

"flyingdutch" wrote

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bjay said:

"Wayne & Mimma" wrote

Quoted message said:

Perth has a decent network of shared paths around the river and
throughtout the metro area.....

Yes Perth has a huge network of shared paths, and so as cyclists we
have a
huge choice. Sundays around the South Perth foreshore (which is where
I am
asuming this incident occurred) is not a good time to be riding on this
particular section of path (especially not at 40kmph), simply because
there
are so many kids, families, and generally clueless people who do not
regularly use these paths. Yes they are a pain, but just accept that
this
is where they congregate, especially on Sundays, and especially when
the
weather is good. So choose another path, along the freeway is always
good
and you can easily maintain 40kmph along here without any problems. You
get
a few walkers and the occasional recreational cyclist along here, but
there
are not many of them, and they typically are aware of other path users.
"Shared path", meaning we share with others, as much as they share with
us.

Bjay

good signage and sadly a central line is the only real solution to
this scenario IMHO

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flyingdutch

I don't think signage would make any difference on this particular section
of shared path, the casual users still wouldn't notice it, and there is
actually a dedicated pedestrian section of path along here as well. The
point I was trying to make is that this section of the foreshore is very
popular for picnicing, especially on Sundays, and it's just not worth the
hassle trying to ride along here at any great speed on Sundays, especially
now with the improving weather. I used to live in South Perth so had to
travel this section every day, on Sunday's I had to just potter along this
section because of all the kids, dogs, parents and casual users who are
generally not bicycle aware. During the week this section of path isn't so
bad because most of the other users are regular walkers, roller bladers and
cyclists who do understand shared path rules.
People who wander along or across shared paths, blissfully unaware that
there are actually other people trying to use this path annoy me just as
much as they would annoy other cyclists. I am just saying that we have to
accept that there are certain sections of path and certain times that
attract the casual user (please note casual user, ie someone who might use
the path once or twice a year), who as much as we would like them to learn,
IMHO will never grasp the concepts of staying left, not suddenly changing
direction and not suddenly stopping! My solution is to avoid these sections
at these times to avoid the hassle, but if you cannot avoid these sections
at these times then you just have to accept that there is going to be alot
of clueless people around at this time and to make big allowances for them
(something which I think Suzy J stated in an earlier thread).
I also realise that I am probably stating the obvious to most participants
on this forum, and I have no desire to insult your intelligence. My reply
was directed to the originator of this thread.

Bjay

bjay said:

I don't think signage would make any difference on this particular section
of shared path, the casual users still wouldn't notice it, and there is
actually a dedicated pedestrian section of path along here as well. The
point I was trying to make is that this section of the foreshore is very
popular for picnicing, especially on Sundays, and it's just not worth the
hassle trying to ride along here at any great speed on Sundays, especially
now with the improving weather. I used to live in South Perth so had to
travel this section every day, on Sunday's I had to just potter along this
section because of all the kids, dogs, parents and casual users who are
generally not bicycle aware. During the week this section of path isn't so
bad because most of the other users are regular walkers, roller bladers and
cyclists who do understand shared path rules.
People who wander along or across shared paths, blissfully unaware that
there are actually other people trying to use this path annoy me just as
much as they would annoy other cyclists. I am just saying that we have to
accept that there are certain sections of path and certain times that
attract the casual user (please note casual user, ie someone who might use
the path once or twice a year), who as much as we would like them to learn,
IMHO will never grasp the concepts of staying left, not suddenly changing
direction and not suddenly stopping! My solution is to avoid these sections
at these times to avoid the hassle, but if you cannot avoid these sections
at these times then you just have to accept that there is going to be alot
of clueless people around at this time and to make big allowances for them
(something which I think Suzy J stated in an earlier thread).
I also realise that I am probably stating the obvious to most participants
on this forum, and I have no desire to insult your intelligence. My reply
was directed to the originator of this thread.

Bjay

Sounds like a few stretches of St Kilda Beach (DRS? Stokehouse to Marina?). Like you say, if you know its there and realise it aint worth it dont ride it. That's the beatuy of a bike. It'll go anywhere. kind of...

F-"where can i get wallclimbing suction cup wheels?"-D

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I have come to the conclusion that many of them do not know
that it is a shared path. Signage exists mainly at the ends of the
paths, there is little marking on the bitumen of the path itself,

then take stencil and spray can and correct this problem.

bjay said:

particular section of path (especially not at 40kmph), simply because there
are so many kids, families, and generally clueless people who do not
regularly use these paths. Yes they are a pain, but just accept that this
is where they congregate, especially on Sundays, and especially when the
weather is good. So choose another path, along the freeway is always good

and clueless cyclists. Took the new OCR zero out for a social path ride on Sat.
When the group stopped to wait, half didn't consider getting off the path.
And happily staying 2 abreast on an uphill blind section through tunnels, scary!

Terry Collins said:

> I have come to the conclusion that many of them do not know

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that it is a shared path. Signage exists mainly at the ends of the
paths, there is little marking on the bitumen of the path itself,

then take stencil and spray can and correct this problem.

I've thought about doing that a few times, but the Council is just as likely to view it as vandalism and get stroppy - I'd like the Council to do it only because then it is all official etc.

aeek said:

and clueless cyclists. Took the new OCR zero out for a social path ride on Sat.
When the group stopped to wait, half didn't consider getting off the path.
And happily staying 2 abreast on an uphill blind section through tunnels, scary!

I think the best I have seen was a father and small son with small son's bike upended having adjustments to wheels/tyres in the middle of a bike path in Perth. (I stopped and, after enquiring whether help was required, suggested that they were at risk of being hit by some faster cyclists and that the middle of the path was not the safest place to stop for repairs. I left them with the father looking stunned and confused.)

Terry Collins said:

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I have come to the conclusion that many of them do not know
that it is a shared path. Signage exists mainly at the ends of the
paths, there is little marking on the bitumen of the path itself,

then take stencil and spray can and correct this problem.

Heh... that's exactly what I thought too.

-kt

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Sounds like a few stretches of St Kilda Beach (DRS? Stokehouse to
Marina?).

Yes, parts of the path are shared and parts are split with separate
pedestrian and bike paths, but the council(s) won't put up proper signs,
relying instead on the white stencils. The problem is your average tourist
can't see them because they've got their heads up their arses.

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