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Quoted message said:Badger_South said:On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:42:19 GMT, "Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]>
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> Try warming up properly and do this again. The difference between
> your 10 minute and 30 minute HR should not be this big at all, maybe
> 10 beats at the most. Even if you are going above your threshold.
> Since you didn't blow up you weren't going above your 30 minute
> Functional Threshold Power.Possibly above your 31 minute FTP but you
> don't know that until you blow up.
>
> If you want some good feedback on how to train with Power goto
> http://lists.topica.com/lists/wattage/read
> Join the mailinglist and ask your questions there.
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PE, this is intriguing. If you don't mind, could you run down what
the FTP is? Are you saying it's a kind of power threshold that you
can do for 30 minutes and then you have to drop off the pace?
-B
Intriguing is only the beginning 😉
FTP in itself is usually measured as your Functional Threshold Power for
a
duration of 60 minutes. And yes if I can still do it after 61 minutes I
didn't go hard enough. Almost 😉 at that level the difference would only
be
Quoted message said:fractions of a Watt anyway.
From this you can calculate what you can expect of yourself over
different
durations
This gives me a number to work with when calculating my training zones.
Lets
Quoted message said:say my FTP is 270W.
If I want to do an endurance ride for instance I'll try to average
150-200
W. The shorter it is, no less than 1 1/2 - 2 hours, the closer I will be
to
Quoted message said:200W. The longer it is the closer I will be to 150W.
If I want to do VO2max intervals I will do 3-8 minute intervals in the
zone
Quoted message said:286 - 326 W. Shorter intervals closer to 326W and longer intervals closer
to
Quoted message said:286W.
I find the % method of determining zones (VO 2 max done at x% of a certain
power number) to be inaccurate.
The training LEVELS (**not** zones) that I have proposed have nothing to do
with percentage of VO2max.
Quoted message said:I think it's because a person's ability in
different zones will vary from one individual to another.
You may think so, but literally hundreds of scientific studies disagree.
Quoted message said:I prefer to
establish zones based on performances (previous training sessions) in each
of those zones.
From the original description
(http://lists.topica.com/lists/wattage/read/message.html?mid=901936066&sort=d&start=100):
"as with all systems training exercise prescriptions should be
individualized, in this case taking into account the power the athlete has
generated in previous similar or identical workouts...the primary reference,
therefore, is not to the system itself, but to the athlete's own unique (and
current) ability."
IOW, training is testing and testing is training.^TM
Quoted message said:When I was approaching my peak in early August I was doing 30 seconds
on/off
or 1 minute on intervals near 600 watts each, which is much higher than
the
tables you (Per) are referring to.
Again from the chapter:
"While the system is based on the average power during a workout or interval
effort, consideration must also be given to the distribution of power."
IOW, when you're playing with work:rest ratios you have to look at not only
the power during the 'on' phase, but also during the 'off' phase, and
vice-versa.
Quoted message said:Earlier in the season these same
intervals were done closer to 450 watts. I don't think there was a
corresponding change in my LT or FTP that would have indicated how high
these ranges needed to be as my fitness was changing.
I don't see how you could know that, since you follow a different approach.
Andy Coggan
