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"the black rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Retro Bob said:

Stephen Harding said:

>Or, a cynic might say that you've perhaps never ridden a bike that

truly

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>fits right, and don't know what you're missing. The truth is somewhere
>in-between.

That's always a possibility.

I hear the same thing about not going clipless, or not wearing
biking shorts, or ....

Yes, those silly shorts. He, he, he... I wear "regular shorts" and a
t-shirt of my choosing. No "cycling" clothes. Most of the purists
- who apparently think they are potential Armstrong challengers and
way too important to deal with an amateur like me - will even wave.

Ya know, I only have one pair of cycling shorts, and one pair of cycling
undershorts. So sometimes I ride with them, sometimes they're both in
the wash and I wear regular shorts.

I can hardly tell the difference.

-km

I can't remember the last time I rode without cycling shorts. I bought a
pair for my granddaughter earlier this year and she now wonders how she ever
rode without them.

A lot might have to do with the type of bike, saddle, length of ride, etc.
I ride a road bike and usually ride 20+ rides when I go out. I might
consider not wearing the cycling shorts if I was only running an errand to
the store or post office (6 miles). But for these trips I usually wear my
baggy shorts since I don't like traipsing through the grocery in my spandex
🙂

This brings up a question. I find the baggy shorts I own seem to have less
padding than the regular spandex type. Is this a common thing?

Beverly

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"the black rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Retro Bob said:

Stephen Harding said:

>Or, a cynic might say that you've perhaps never ridden a bike that

truly

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>fits right, and don't know what you're missing. The truth is somewhere
>in-between.

That's always a possibility.

I hear the same thing about not going clipless, or not wearing
biking shorts, or ....

Yes, those silly shorts. He, he, he... I wear "regular shorts" and a
t-shirt of my choosing. No "cycling" clothes. Most of the purists
- who apparently think they are potential Armstrong challengers and
way too important to deal with an amateur like me - will even wave.

Ya know, I only have one pair of cycling shorts, and one pair of cycling
undershorts. So sometimes I ride with them, sometimes they're both in
the wash and I wear regular shorts.

I can hardly tell the difference.

-km

I can't remember the last time I rode without cycling shorts. I bought a
pair for my granddaughter earlier this year and she now wonders how she ever
rode without them.

A lot might have to do with the type of bike, saddle, length of ride, etc.
I ride a road bike and usually ride 20+ rides when I go out. I might
consider not wearing the cycling shorts if I was only running an errand to
the store or post office (6 miles). But for these trips I usually wear my
baggy shorts since I don't like traipsing through the grocery in my spandex
🙂

This brings up a question. I find the baggy shorts I own seem to have less
padding than the regular spandex type. Is this a common thing?

Beverly

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"the black rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Retro Bob said:

Stephen Harding said:

>Or, a cynic might say that you've perhaps never ridden a bike that

truly

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>fits right, and don't know what you're missing. The truth is somewhere
>in-between.

That's always a possibility.

I hear the same thing about not going clipless, or not wearing
biking shorts, or ....

Yes, those silly shorts. He, he, he... I wear "regular shorts" and a
t-shirt of my choosing. No "cycling" clothes. Most of the purists
- who apparently think they are potential Armstrong challengers and
way too important to deal with an amateur like me - will even wave.

Ya know, I only have one pair of cycling shorts, and one pair of cycling
undershorts. So sometimes I ride with them, sometimes they're both in
the wash and I wear regular shorts.

I can hardly tell the difference.

-km

I can't remember the last time I rode without cycling shorts. I bought a
pair for my granddaughter earlier this year and she now wonders how she ever
rode without them.

A lot might have to do with the type of bike, saddle, length of ride, etc.
I ride a road bike and usually ride 20+ rides when I go out. I might
consider not wearing the cycling shorts if I was only running an errand to
the store or post office (6 miles). But for these trips I usually wear my
baggy shorts since I don't like traipsing through the grocery in my spandex
🙂

This brings up a question. I find the baggy shorts I own seem to have less
padding than the regular spandex type. Is this a common thing?

Beverly

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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:19:01 -0400, "Beverly" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I can't remember the last time I rode without cycling shorts. I bought a
pair for my granddaughter earlier this year and she now wonders how she

ever

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

rode without them.

A lot might have to do with the type of bike, saddle, length of ride,

etc.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I ride a road bike and usually ride 20+ rides when I go out. I might
consider not wearing the cycling shorts if I was only running an errand

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the store or post office (6 miles). But for these trips I usually wear

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

baggy shorts since I don't like traipsing through the grocery in my

spandex

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

🙂

This brings up a question. I find the baggy shorts I own seem to have

less

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

padding than the regular spandex type. Is this a common thing?

Well, personally I'm not real comfortable in tight clothes. I'd rather
wear the baggy shorts. Don't get me wrong, the women all tell me I'm,
cute in them, I just don't like them :-) I wear loose t-hirts too. I
suppose if I was in time trials I'd care about resistance but when I'm
out getting exercise or heading some place for fun, it's not an issue.

Regardless though, I think the bikers in spandex around here
definitely have an attitude. No waving to guys in regular clothes.
It's like they're all BMW drivers :-)

I do a weekly "Bike for the Health of It" program with the local parks. We
have riders of all ages, sizes, experience, etc. They come dressed in all
types of clothing and I haven't noticed this to be a problem when it comes
to interacting with each other. I did notice as the season progressed that
many riders switched to wearing padded shorts that had been wearing regular
clothing. In my observation those who did a lot of riding were more likely
to wear the cycling shorts than those who only did the once a week ride.

Beverly

RE/

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Ya know, I only have one pair of cycling shorts, and one pair of cycling
undershorts. So sometimes I ride with them, sometimes they're both in
the wash and I wear regular shorts.

I can hardly tell the difference.

I think it's an age thing.

When I was 20-something, I raced traffic in Honolulu for hundreds and hundreds
of miles per week wearing flip-flops, shorts, and a tee-shirt - and enjoyed
virtually every track ever recorded by The Doors.

Now I can still ride in regular shorts - but I get sore in a couple places if
the ride is much over an hour and I can't stand some of The Door's songs.

My theory: one's nervous system degenerates along with the rest of the bod and
it just can't handle that stuff any more - both the physical irritation of
riding and the nervous irritation of certain kinds of music.

Now yer gonna tell me you're 67 years old, right? -)
--
PeteCresswell

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Pete Cresswell) said:

RE/

Quoted message said:

Ya know, I only have one pair of cycling shorts, and one pair of cycling
undershorts. So sometimes I ride with them, sometimes they're both in
the wash and I wear regular shorts.

I can hardly tell the difference.

I think it's an age thing.

When I was 20-something, I raced traffic in Honolulu for hundreds and hundreds
of miles per week wearing flip-flops, shorts, and a tee-shirt - and enjoyed
virtually every track ever recorded by The Doors.

Now I can still ride in regular shorts - but I get sore in a couple places if
the ride is much over an hour and I can't stand some of The Door's songs.

Y'know, I'm pushing 51, and my experience is /so/ similar to yours.
And I think The Door's 'The Promise' is the worst song ever written.

cheers,
Tom

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Retro Bob said:

Stephen Harding said:

Quoted message said:

Or, a cynic might say that you've perhaps never ridden a bike that truly
fits right, and don't know what you're missing. The truth is somewhere
in-between.

That's always a possibility.

I hear the same thing about not going clipless, or not wearing
biking shorts, or ....

Yes, those silly shorts. He, he, he... I wear "regular shorts" and a
t-shirt of my choosing. No "cycling" clothes. Most of the purists
- who apparently think they are potential Armstrong challengers and
way too important to deal with an amateur like me - will even wave.

... or maybe it's my downtube shifters :-)

I once rode straight off the road because of wearing regular shorts on a bike.

Caught one of the nuggets betwixt saddle and thigh going out of the saddle.

Ron

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:42:26 -0700, [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

Quoted message said:

Y'know, I'm pushing 51, and my experience is /so/ similar to yours.
And I think The Door's 'The Promise' is the worst song ever written.

cheers,
Tom

The Doors never recorded a song called "The Promise". Do you mean the
song "Touch Me"? I would have to say, that the worst song that Jim
Morrison ever wrote, is still far superior to a lot of the commercial
[censored] that is popular today.

Life is Good!
Jeff

In article <[email hidden]>,

Jeff Starr said:

The Doors never recorded a song called "The Promise". Do you mean the
song "Touch Me"?

Yes.

Quoted message said:

I would have to say, that the worst song that Jim
Morrison ever wrote, is still far superior to a lot of the commercial
[censored] that is popular today.

No. Nothing is worse than that 'Touch Me' song.
Absolutely nothing.

cheers,
Tom

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Quoted message said:

No. Nothing is worse than that 'Touch Me' song.
Absolutely nothing.

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/starsky&hutch/afternoondelight.htm

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

(Pete Cresswell) said:

Now yer gonna tell me you're 67 years old, right? -)

Not quite. But I'm in my 40's, and my oldest son is 23.

I think it has more to do with how well my saddle suits my personal
geometry.

-km

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Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

No. Nothing is worse than that 'Touch Me' song.
Absolutely nothing.

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/starsky&hutch/afternoondelight.htm

Ow, that was a bad one.

I think "Feelings" was worse, though.

-km

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

No. Nothing is worse than that 'Touch Me' song.
Absolutely nothing.

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/starsky&hutch/afternoondelight.htm

Speaking of bad tunes, I haven't seen that Quizno's commercial
with the singing puppets for a long time. Maybe someone
stepped on 'em. One can only hope.

cheers,
Tom

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(Tom Keats) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

No. Nothing is worse than that 'Touch Me' song.
Absolutely nothing.

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/starsky&hutch/afternoondelight.htm

Speaking of bad tunes, I haven't seen that Quizno's commercial
with the singing puppets for a long time. Maybe someone
stepped on 'em. One can only hope.

Plenty for everyone at:

http://www.rathergood.com

His best known work is probably:

http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/

Enjoy.

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

No. Nothing is worse than that 'Touch Me' song.
Absolutely nothing.

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/starsky&hutch/afternoondelight.htm

I always cite that one as an example of the *actual* 70s, vs. the imaginary,
nostalgic, hipster 70s. Methinks the 70s are cultural wallpaper that needs to
be stripped to the sheetrock.

Matt O.

Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

No. Nothing is worse than that 'Touch Me' song.
Absolutely nothing.

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/starsky&hutch/afternoondelight.htm

Speaking of bad tunes, I haven't seen that Quizno's commercial
with the singing puppets for a long time. Maybe someone
stepped on 'em. One can only hope.

Hmm, don't remember those. They must be new, since someone stepped on my
television.

Matt O.

Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

No. Nothing is worse than that 'Touch Me' song.
Absolutely nothing.

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/starsky&hutch/afternoondelight.htm

Speaking of bad tunes, I haven't seen that Quizno's commercial
with the singing puppets for a long time. Maybe someone
stepped on 'em. One can only hope.

That commercial is THE biggest reason I won't eat at Quizno's. Any
company stupid enough to air that commercial doesn't deserve customers.

-km

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the black rose said:

Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

> No. Nothing is worse than that 'Touch Me' song.
> Absolutely nothing.

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/starsky&hutch/afternoondelight.htm

Speaking of bad tunes, I haven't seen that Quizno's commercial
with the singing puppets for a long time. Maybe someone
stepped on 'em. One can only hope.

That commercial is THE biggest reason I won't eat at Quizno's. Any
company stupid enough to air that commercial doesn't deserve customers.

Those are/were "Sponge Monkeys." For those who can't get enough of
them, check out www.rathergood.com .

"The got a pepper bar!"

--
Mark Chandler
Superior, CO
http://www.MileHighSkates.com

Quoted message said:

DANGER, DANGER, DANGER.... that site pops an Active-X program that
contains a virus named SecThought.E

It will not install (I don't think) unless you agree to install it but
it will be sitting in your temp internet files.

Really? Didn't try to do anything but install a cookie on my machine. My
security settings are pretty high, but it still tells me when an Active-X
program is trying to be installed (and automatically denied). Widoze XP,
SP2, Zone Alarm Security Suite 5.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:08:09 -0400, "Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/starsky&hutch/afternoondelight.htm

I always cite that one as an example of the *actual* 70s, vs. the
imaginary,
nostalgic, hipster 70s. Methinks the 70s are cultural wallpaper that
needs to
be stripped to the sheetrock.

Matt O.

DANGER, DANGER, DANGER.... that site pops an Active-X program that
contains a virus named SecThought.E

It will not install (I don't think) unless you agree to install it but
it will be sitting in your temp internet files.