Reflective vests

Brian said:

Bought myself a "Polaris" reflective vest today from Halfords, £19.99
Then popped into a local engineering supplies firm....
and find they sell reflective vests for £6.50 inc VAT! D'oh!

Or even Hampshire Road safety's website at £5.00.
http://www.shopcreator.com/mall/RoadSafetyOnline/products/product-69729.stm

One of the few good things done by an LA

John B

"Jack Ouzzi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'm also lucky enough to be very near one of those hardware shops
piled floor to ceiling with EVERYTHING...... also it feels as if you
are in the 1950's when you are in there ....................guys still
got 1950's brown coats on !! been trying for years to catch them out
with some obscure thread or odd size bolt ........ the answer is
always 'how many you want?'

Get 'em a computerised stock control system, that'll fix 'em.

You: "Got any such-and-such?"
Them: "I'll just check on my computer.....hang on...it's a bit slow
today.....hmm...yes, 4 in stock...just a minute" (disappears into stock
room).
Some time later reappears "No sorry sir, someones taken them and not told
anyone".

Of course, if it's a major electrical goods outlet you will have seen the
product in the flyer that came inside the free local paper and then gone to
the store and seen the product on the shelf before the above conversation
takes place.

Now, about me bike...I'm fitting a new rim to the back wheel because the old
one's split on the braking surface 10 months after I switched to discs and
rebuilt the wheel with the old rim on new disc hub thinking I'd caught it
in time. Now that was a false economy. B*gger!

Pete :-)

Peter B said:

Get 'em a computerised stock control system, that'll fix 'em.

Reminds me of a cartoon my brother once had; "It's no use pointing to
them on the shelf, sir. If the computer says we haven't got any, we
haven't got any"

:-)

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:17:34 +0100, Jack Ouzzi wrote
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Quoted message said:

Brian said:

Bought myself a "Polaris" reflective vest today from Halfords, £19.99
Then popped into a local engineering supplies firm to order some M5 by
10mm Allen head bolts (want to try and get rid of the mix and match of
bolts holding my rear rack + diy extension on). Got the bolts ordered,
and find they sell reflective vests for £6.50 inc VAT! D'oh!

Pop back to Halfords and try a 'price check' bloke down the road,
gimme some money back theme .......... might work!!

I'm also lucky enough to be very near one of those hardware shops
piled floor to ceiling with EVERYTHING...... also it feels as if you
are in the 1950's when you are in there ....................guys still
got 1950's brown coats on !! been trying for years to catch them out
with some obscure thread or odd size bolt ........ the answer is
always 'how many you want?'

Fork handles...

Cheers,

Steve

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Brian said:

Brian said:

Bought myself a "Polaris" reflective vest today from Halfords, £19.99
Then popped into a local engineering supplies firm to order some M5 by
10mm Allen head bolts (want to try and get rid of the mix and match of
bolts holding my rear rack + diy extension on). Got the bolts ordered,
and find they sell reflective vests for £6.50 inc VAT! D'oh!

Well, I'm going to take the Polaris vest back to halfords for a refund,
and get one of the cheap ones from the engineering shop - £13.49 saving
is not to be sniffed at!

lol, probably should have done that in the first place, rather than going
bback tonight!

if you want to abide by the Health & Safety rules for the highways, then
you need one with sleeves for roads where the speed limit is over 30mph

Peter B said:

Get 'em a computerised stock control system, that'll fix 'em.

Not if it's a decent system, like the one I work on.

Quoted message said:

You: "Got any such-and-such?"
Them: "I'll just check on my computer.....hang on...it's a bit slow
today.....hmm...yes, 4 in stock...just a minute" (disappears into stock
room).
Some time later reappears "No sorry sir, someones taken them and not told
anyone".

A lot of our customers are just the sort of businesses that will have
whatever you want, when you want it. If their product balances are
wrong then it tends to be because no-one's had time to book the goods
in, rather than someone releasing something to a customer without
putting it through the system.

Of course, if the goods have arrived but haven't been booked in then the
user may find himself unable to process a sales order for goods that he
knows are physically in stock, in which case he will probably sell the
goods without putting the order on the system and they end up with the
scenario described above. We get round the problem by having a
parameter to allow negative physical stock, so that the sales order can
be processed even if the system doesn't know that the goods are in stock.

As a developer I'd rather people booked goods in before they booked them
out and stock never went negative. There are times when it would make
my life much easier (particularly when people expect to get meaningful
stock valuations without meaningful stock balances). But in the real
world a lot of businesses will sell goods as soon as they come in the
door, and the negative stock solution works (the goods will be booked in
eventually, even if they're no longer on the shelf, because the
paperwork will still be there).

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Steve Hodgson said:

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:17:34 +0100, Jack Ouzzi wrote
(in article <[email hidden]>😉:

Quoted message said:

Brian said:

Bought myself a "Polaris" reflective vest today from Halfords,
£19.99 Then popped into a local engineering supplies firm to order
some M5 by 10mm Allen head bolts (want to try and get rid of the
mix and match of bolts holding my rear rack + diy extension on).
Got the bolts ordered, and find they sell reflective vests for
£6.50 inc VAT! D'oh!

Pop back to Halfords and try a 'price check' bloke down the road,
gimme some money back theme .......... might work!!

I'm also lucky enough to be very near one of those hardware shops
piled floor to ceiling with EVERYTHING...... also it feels as if you
are in the 1950's when you are in there ....................guys
still got 1950's brown coats on !! been trying for years to catch
them out with some obscure thread or odd size bolt ........ the
answer is
always 'how many you want?'

Fork handles...

Cheers,

Steve

Os

Pete whelan said:

if you want to abide by the Health & Safety rules for the highways, then
you need one with sleeves for roads where the speed limit is over 30mph

Class 3 - and it's a function of both reflective and yellow area, not
just the fact it has sleeves.

It's not a blanket requirement above 30mph. You need class 3 for
"high speed roads", but (helpfully) I don't think anyone actually
defines what that is. A particular local authority might conceivably
have defined it as anything above 30mph, but other bodies exist who
have defined it as meaning M or M-standard roads. The HSE has at
least some documents defining it as meaning dual carriageways with a
50mph or greater limit.

Although it's more difficult to get hold of, and more expensive (twice
as much material, more manufacture, less market) I prefer class 3 for
bicycle hi-vis because
1: it has reflective over the shoulders, and I think hoops round teh
torso can be obstructed from an oncoming motorist
2: it has sleeves with hi-vis, so arm-signals are hi-vis and
reflective.

There's also some research somewhere that found that hi-vis on arms is
disproportionately more effective than hi-vis on torso. However, that
might be for road-side workers who are moving their arms around more
than a cyclist.

regards, Ian SMith
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Bought myself a "Polaris" reflective vest today from Halfords, £19.99
Then popped into a local engineering supplies firm to order some M5 by
10mm Allen head bolts (want to try and get rid of the mix and match of
bolts holding my rear rack + diy extension on). Got the bolts ordered,
and find they sell reflective vests for £6.50 inc VAT! D'oh!

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Brian

On 8/10/04 8:21 pm, in article [email hidden], "Ian

Smith said:

There's also some research somewhere that found that hi-vis on arms is
disproportionately more effective than hi-vis on torso. However, that
might be for road-side workers who are moving their arms around more
than a cyclist.

My own local research indicates that the wearing of class 3 hi-vis is
inversely correlated with lights at night...

This is based on a very small sample size and has a statistical significance
approaching 1.

...d

Steve Hodgson said:

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:17:34 +0100, Jack Ouzzi wrote
(in article <[email hidden]>😉:

Quoted message said:

Brian said:

Bought myself a "Polaris" reflective vest today from Halfords,
£19.99 Then popped into a local engineering supplies firm to order
some M5 by 10mm Allen head bolts (want to try and get rid of the
mix and match of bolts holding my rear rack + diy extension on).
Got the bolts ordered, and find they sell reflective vests for
£6.50 inc VAT! D'oh!

Pop back to Halfords and try a 'price check' bloke down the road,
gimme some money back theme .......... might work!!

I'm also lucky enough to be very near one of those hardware shops
piled floor to ceiling with EVERYTHING...... also it feels as if you
are in the 1950's when you are in there ....................guys
still got 1950's brown coats on !! been trying for years to catch
them out with some obscure thread or odd size bolt ........ the
answer is always 'how many you want?'

Fork handles...

Got any 'ose ?

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Brian said:

Bought myself a "Polaris" reflective vest today from Halfords, £19.99
Then popped into a local engineering supplies firm to order some M5 by
10mm Allen head bolts (want to try and get rid of the mix and match of
bolts holding my rear rack + diy extension on). Got the bolts ordered,
and find they sell reflective vests for £6.50 inc VAT! D'oh!

Well, I'm going to take the Polaris vest back to halfords for a refund,
and get one of the cheap ones from the engineering shop - £13.49 saving
is not to be sniffed at!

lol, probably should have done that in the first place, rather than going
bback tonight!

--
Brian

Brian said:

Ian Smith said:

Although it's more difficult to get hold of, and more expensive (twice
as much material, more manufacture, less market) I prefer class 3 for
bicycle hi-vis because
1: it has reflective over the shoulders, and I think hoops round teh
torso can be obstructed from an oncoming motorist
2: it has sleeves with hi-vis, so arm-signals are hi-vis and
reflective.

Interesting reading - however won't it be a little more hot and sticky
wearing a full hi-vis jacket than a hi-vis vest?

No - it's not what is termed a 'road-coat' (which is a padded coat
that nearly always also happens to be class 3 hi-vis), it's the same
knitted porous material as one of teh vests, just that it's got arms
and lots more reflective stuff on it.

regards, Ian SMith
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Ian Smith said:

Although it's more difficult to get hold of, and more expensive (twice
as much material, more manufacture, less market) I prefer class 3 for
bicycle hi-vis because
1: it has reflective over the shoulders, and I think hoops round teh
torso can be obstructed from an oncoming motorist
2: it has sleeves with hi-vis, so arm-signals are hi-vis and
reflective.

Interesting reading - however won't it be a little more hot and sticky wearing a full hi-vis
jacket than a hi-vis vest? Of course safety / visibility is much more
important. I've got a set of reflective leg / arm bands which I'll be
wearing around my wrists, and i've got another set for round my legs.

Quoted message said:

There's also some research somewhere that found that
hi-vis on arms is
disproportionately more effective than hi-vis on torso. However, that
might be for road-side workers who are moving their arms around more
than a cyclist.

However I'm going to pop into that engineering supplies shop tomorrow to
get one of the non inflated price hi-vis vests - if the full hi-vis jacket
isn't much more expensive than a vest I may get one too.

Hopefully Halfords will give me a refund no questions asked...

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's not a blanket requirement above 30mph. You need class 3 for

"high speed roads", but (helpfully) I don't think anyone actually
defines what that is.

In keeping with a lot of H & S requirements then.

Pete

Quoted message said:

I'm also lucky enough to be very near one of those hardware shops
piled floor to ceiling with EVERYTHING...... also it feels as if you
are in the 1950's when you are in there ....................guys still
got 1950's brown coats on !! been trying for years to catch them out
with some obscure thread or odd size bolt ........ the answer is
always 'how many you want?'

Cherish them.. Keep finding one and then they close, hideously
B&Qed... Love those shops..

Now found a new favourite, cannot remember the name but its in Biggar,
they have everything crammed into a decomissioned Tardis

Richard Webb

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Quoted message said:

I'm also lucky enough to be very near one of those hardware shops
piled floor to ceiling with EVERYTHING...... also it feels as if you
are in the 1950's when you are in there ....................guys still
got 1950's brown coats on !! been trying for years to catch them out
with some obscure thread or odd size bolt ........ the answer is
always 'how many you want?'

But did you try asking for "forcandles" ?

I do love places like that. I recall buying some timber in such an emporium.
My Uncle and I were directed to go to "the yard" for timber and "the boy
will show you the way". We looked in vain for a "boy", then eventually
realised that the the grumpy-looking 50 year old bloke beside us must be
"the boy". After 10 minutes walking in silence, my Uncle, just to be polite
asked "is it round the corner", but was quickly put in his place with
"follow me and you'll get there"; the only words "the boy" uttered in half
an hour.

I wonder if the shop's still the same (Bargoed, South Wales) ? I wonder if
"the boy" got promoted before he retired ?

Hywel

In article <[email hidden]>, Hywel Davies says...

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Quoted message said:

I'm also lucky enough to be very near one of those hardware shops
piled floor to ceiling with EVERYTHING...... also it feels as if you
are in the 1950's when you are in there ....................guys still
got 1950's brown coats on !! been trying for years to catch them out
with some obscure thread or odd size bolt ........ the answer is
always 'how many you want?'

But did you try asking for "forcandles" ?

I do love places like that. I recall buying some timber in such an emporium.
My Uncle and I were directed to go to "the yard" for timber and "the boy
will show you the way". We looked in vain for a "boy", then eventually
realised that the the grumpy-looking 50 year old bloke beside us must be
"the boy". After 10 minutes walking in silence, my Uncle, just to be polite
asked "is it round the corner", but was quickly put in his place with
"follow me and you'll get there"; the only words "the boy" uttered in half
an hour.

I wonder if the shop's still the same (Bargoed, South Wales) ? I wonder if
"the boy" got promoted before he retired ?

Bargoed doesn't seem to have changed much in 30 years, apart from the
odd new house and medical centre.

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