What tool do they use?

Derk said:

Hi,

In my cycling magazine there was an article about pro mechanics and how they
clean the riders' bikes.

In one of the pictures, I saw they used a tool that brings the rear
derailleur and chain in the same position with the rear wheel removed as
when the wheel is mounted: this way the chain and derailleur can easily be
cleaned and the chain doesn't drag over the chainstay.

What is the name of this device and who makes it?

TIA! Derk

Sounds like a spacer type thing I saw
somewhere recently that is put in to
keep the chainstay/hub spacing from
being damaged during shipping.

Pedro's sells one for about $12. If you happen across a pulley at least
2" in diameter and can fix it to the drop out with a bolt, that's all it
is...

Derk said:

Hi,

In my cycling magazine there was an article about pro mechanics and how they
clean the riders' bikes.

In one of the pictures, I saw they used a tool that brings the rear
derailleur and chain in the same position with the rear wheel removed as
when the wheel is mounted: this way the chain and derailleur can easily be
cleaned and the chain doesn't drag over the chainstay.

What is the name of this device and who makes it?

TIA! Derk

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Hi,

In my cycling magazine there was an article about pro mechanics and how
they
clean the riders' bikes.

In one of the pictures, I saw they used a tool that brings the rear
derailleur and chain in the same position with the rear wheel removed as
when the wheel is mounted: this way the chain and derailleur can easily be
cleaned and the chain doesn't drag over the chainstay.

What is the name of this device and who makes it?

TIA! Derk

I've never used this item before. I presume it will also work with an
installed rear
derailleur.

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=6278&subcategory_ID=4215

David

richard said:

Pedro's sells one for about $12.

It's not the same thing: the one I saw is triangular in shape and holds both
the chain and the rear derailleur in the position where both derailleur
wheels are (vertical) above each other. just like when you put the chain on
the big chainring and smallest cog.

Greets, Derk

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richard said:

Pedro's sells one for about $12.

It's not the same thing: the one I saw is triangular in shape and holds
both
the chain and the rear derailleur in the position where both derailleur
wheels are (vertical) above each other. just like when you put the chain
on
the big chainring and smallest cog.

Greets, Derk

The triangular thing is just the knob to tighten the thing onto the dropout.
You can use a old rearhub for the same purpose. Leave just one cog and use
some spacers to hold the cog in position.

Lou

Lou Holtman said:

The triangular thing is just the knob to tighten the thing onto the
dropout. You can use a old rearhub for the same purpose. Leave just one
cog and use some spacers to hold the cog in position.

That's also a good idea. Did you see the picture in the latest FIETS on page
36 where the Rabobank mechanics use this? Looks pretty handy to me.

OK, so what's "the thing" they use that you mention above? ("The triangular
thing is just the knob to tighten the thing onto the dropout"😉

Greets, Derk

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richard said:

Pedro's sells one for about $12.

It's not the same thing: the one I saw is triangular in shape and holds
both
the chain and the rear derailleur in the position where both derailleur
wheels are (vertical) above each other. just like when you put the chain
on
the big chainring and smallest cog.

Greets, Derk

The triangular thing is just the knob to tighten the thing onto the

dropout.

Quoted message said:

You can use a old rearhub for the same purpose. Leave just one cog and use
some spacers to hold the cog in position.

Lou

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Quoted message said:

In my cycling magazine there was an article about pro mechanics and how they
clean the riders' bikes.

In one of the pictures, I saw they used a tool that brings the rear
derailleur and chain in the same position with the rear wheel removed as
when the wheel is mounted: this way the chain and derailleur can easily be
cleaned and the chain doesn't drag over the chainstay.

What is the name of this device and who makes it?

TIA! Derk

This one Derk? It's made by Lifu.

http://www.roseversand.de/rose_main.cfm?KAT_ID=&PRD_ID=15862&spr_id=2&MID=0&CID=175

In Dutch:
http://www.roseversand.de/rose_main.cfm?KAT_ID=0&PRD_ID=12598&spr_id=3&MID=0&CID=175

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Quoted message said:

Hi,

In my cycling magazine there was an article about pro mechanics and how they
clean the riders' bikes.

In one of the pictures, I saw they used a tool that brings the rear
derailleur and chain in the same position with the rear wheel removed as
when the wheel is mounted: this way the chain and derailleur can easily be
cleaned and the chain doesn't drag over the chainstay.

What is the name of this device and who makes it?

TIA! Derk

Quoted message said:

In my cycling magazine there was an article about pro mechanics and how they
clean the riders' bikes.

In one of the pictures, I saw they used a tool that brings the rear
derailleur and chain in the same position with the rear wheel removed as
when the wheel is mounted: this way the chain and derailleur can easily be
cleaned and the chain doesn't drag over the chainstay.

What is the name of this device and who makes it?

We call it a sleeper hub. I believe back in the day they just used a old hub
with one cog or maybe even a complete cog set. Cogs and hubs that were no good
anymore obviously.

Pedros makes a tool for this and they call it the Chain Keeper. It simply works
by mimicking the wheel (cogs). The tool works to hold the chain "Under some
tension" as it would be if a wheel is in place. But obviously with the wheel
out you can clean the bike in better detail.

There are other brands/makers/types and they all pretty much do the same thing.
I personally have a hollow/QR axle with lock nuts spaced for road bikes and
also has a derailleur pulley "Floating in place" loosely held by a couple more
lock nuts just inboard of the pulley. With a Quick release skewer, it makes for
a fast install, clean and removal of tool. The pulley sort of floats a little
so when it is on ANY bike I can shift the derailleur sort of near the floating
pulley and it will not "Shift off" of it.

Derk said:

In my cycling magazine there was an article about pro mechanics and how they
clean the riders' bikes.
In one of the pictures, I saw they used a tool that brings the rear
derailleur and chain in the same position with the rear wheel removed as
when the wheel is mounted: this way the chain and derailleur can easily be
cleaned and the chain doesn't drag over the chainstay.
What is the name of this device and who makes it?

A used hub with skewer

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Derk said:

Lou Holtman said:

The triangular thing is just the knob to tighten the thing onto the
dropout. You can use a old rearhub for the same purpose. Leave just
one cog and use some spacers to hold the cog in position.

That's also a good idea. Did you see the picture in the latest FIETS
on page 36 where the Rabobank mechanics use this? Looks pretty handy
to me.

OK, so what's "the thing" they use that you mention above? ("The
triangular thing is just the knob to tighten the thing onto the
dropout"😉

It's a chain holder, chain rest, chain keeper or dummy hub (the terms
vary, obviously). VAR (France) makes one that's basically an
aluminum rope pully wheel on a carriage bolt the head end of which
slips into the dropout slot and there's a knob on the other end of
the bolt that titghtens the pulley wheel to the dropout. This
product has been in existence for decades, although little known in
the US. Pedro's is a newer version that seems to use a QR rather
than a knob.

See http://www.biketoolsetc.com and look for "chain keepers"

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Lou Holtman said:

The triangular thing is just the knob to tighten the thing onto the
dropout. You can use a old rearhub for the same purpose. Leave just one
cog and use some spacers to hold the cog in position.

That's also a good idea. Did you see the picture in the latest FIETS on
page
36 where the Rabobank mechanics use this?

Yes I did.

Looks pretty handy to me.

Quoted message said:

OK, so what's "the thing" they use that you mention above? ("The
triangular
thing is just the knob to tighten the thing onto the dropout"😉

I don't know. Looks expensive. I think I rather make it myself. Half uurtje
achter de draaibank en een oud derailleurwieltje ;-) (sorry was too
difficult in English but Derk understands)

Lou

quote='Tim McNamara'Derk said:

Lou Holtman said:

The triangular thing is just the knob to tighten the thing onto the
dropout. You can use a old rearhub for the same purpose. Leave just
one cog and use some spacers to hold the cog in position.

That's also a good idea. Did you see the picture in the latest FIETS
on page 36 where the Rabobank mechanics use this? Looks pretty handy
to me.

OK, so what's "the thing" they use that you mention above? ("The
triangular thing is just the knob to tighten the thing onto the
dropout"😉

It's a chain holder, chain rest, chain keeper or dummy hub (the terms
vary, obviously). VAR (France) makes one that's basically an
aluminum rope pully wheel on a carriage bolt the head end of which
slips into the dropout slot and there's a knob on the other end of
the bolt that titghtens the pulley wheel to the dropout. This
product has been in existence for decades, although little known in
the US. Pedro's is a newer version that seems to use a QR rather
than a knob.

See http://www.biketoolsetc.com and look for "chain keepers"[/QUOTE]

Pedros Chain Keeper is great too when you transport your bicycle with the rear wheel off... to keep the chain off the chain stay. See URL:

<http://www.lickbike.com/productpage.asp?PART_NUM_SUB='2496-00'>

daveornee said:

Pedros Chain Keeper is great too when you transport your bicycle
with the rear wheel off... to keep the chain off the chain stay.

A good point! I use my VAR in the same way, ever since I snapped the
little chain holder knob off of the seat say. Doh!

Derk said:

Hi,

In my cycling magazine there was an article about pro mechanics and how they
clean the riders' bikes.

In one of the pictures, I saw they used a tool that brings the rear
derailleur and chain in the same position with the rear wheel removed as
when the wheel is mounted: this way the chain and derailleur can easily be
cleaned and the chain doesn't drag over the chainstay.

What is the name of this device and who makes it?

TIA! Derk

I run sram powerlinks and just pull the chain and wheels off the bike
while it's in the stand to clean it. Makes it easy. I also run a spoke
through the open hole in one end link and drop it in a bottle of
degreaser to clean it while I'm cleaning the bike.

Mark

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Tim McNamara said:

A good point! I use my VAR in the same way, ever since I snapped the
little chain holder knob off of the seat say. Doh!

I hope nobody minds my waxing nostalgic for a moment,
but one thing I hated losing was a special device from
Campagnolo, which went along with downtube shifters.
It consisted of a RH shift lever that had an extra
little squeeze lever mounted to it, a stop plate for
the lever that had two stops, and a semi-circle piece
that mounted to the inside of the right dropout
(between the dropout and freewheel).

When the shift lever was all the way down, it would
stop the chain on the smallest cog, as normal. But
if you squeezed the second lever, you could move the
shift lever down a little farther, to the second
stop. That would shift the chain onto the aluminum
piece mounted to the dropout. You could then remove
the rear wheel and the chain would be held in place.
On the road, rear wheel changes were instant (no
mucking with the chain, and once you got a push start,
you just shifted back onto the freewheel), and on the
repair stand the chain was held in place while the
wheel was off.

This device vanished with STI and the close clearances
of 8 & 9 speed, of course.

Larry Coon
University of California

Lou Holtman said:

I don't know. Looks expensive. I think I rather make it myself.

I just ordered it from Salden for 4.95 Euros. That beats your half hour of
do-it-yourself-ing :-)

Greets, Derk

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Lou Holtman said:

I don't know. Looks expensive. I think I rather make it myself.

I just ordered it from Salden for 4.95 Euros. That beats your half hour of
do-it-yourself-ing :-)

Greets, Derk

Damn. And the shipping costs? ;-)

Lou

Lou Holtman said:

Damn. And the shipping costs? ;-)

By chance, I just ordered a Goretex-Paclite Oxygen rainjacket, which they
hadn't shipped yet, so it comes with the rest of the gear I ordered.

Greets, Derk