Fixin' to do it

SndSysLtd said:

The 05' S-Works Epic Disc is about to ship and I'm fixing to take the
plung...Anyone have any last minute regrets about this bike, the brain, etc.??
I don't want to make a $$$$ mistake....
Thanks

Don't you think you should give it a test ride first? That's a lot of
money to plonk down without riding it. Have you looked at other bikes
in the same price range?

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Quoted message said:

Don't you think you should give it a test ride first? That's a lot of
money to plonk down without riding it. Have you looked at other bikes
in the same price range?

I'll ride it first. My wife has an Epic that I really like.....
What other bikes in this range do you like?

SndSysLtd said:

Quoted message said:

Don't you think you should give it a test ride first? That's a lot of
money to plonk down without riding it. Have you looked at other bikes
in the same price range?

I'll ride it first. My wife has an Epic that I really like.....
What other bikes in this range do you like?

If I had that much $$$ for a bike, I would look at Ventana, Titus, and
maybe even Ellsworth. Others will tell you to stay away from Ellsworth,
but I've been happy so far.

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I'm not familiar with these bikes. What I like about the S-works is how the brain works. I ride a HT now and want something that locks out the rear suspension w said:

Quoted message said:

Don't you think you should give it a test ride first? That's a lot of
money to plonk down without riding it. Have you looked at other bikes
in the same price range?

I'll ride it first. My wife has an Epic that I really like.....
What other bikes in this range do you like?

If I had that much $$$ for a bike, I would look at Ventana, Titus, and
maybe even Ellsworth. Others will tell you to stay away from Ellsworth,
but I've been happy so far.

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www.schnauzers.ws[/QUOTE]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

SndSysLtd said:

>Don't you think you should give it a test ride first? That's a lot of
>money to plonk down without riding it. Have you looked at other bikes
>in the same price range?

I'll ride it first. My wife has an Epic that I really like.....
What other bikes in this range do you like?

If I had that much $$$ for a bike, I would look at Ventana, Titus, and
maybe even Ellsworth. Others will tell you to stay away from Ellsworth,
but I've been happy so far.

--
o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
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sndsysltd said:

I'm not familiar with these bikes. What I like about the S-works is how
the brain works. I ride a HT now and want something that locks out the
rear suspension when you stand when climbing. Do these do

this?Ride-A-Lot said:

I moved your respnse to the bottom so it's easier for everyone to read.
You can get different shocks. There are similar shocks for the bikes
I mentioned. Fox Propedal AVA, Fifth Element, and Swinger 4-way all
come to mind as having a similar system to the brain. I believe that
Fox makes the brain and the Propedal is basically the brain without
Specialized exclusitivity. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

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Ride-A-Lot said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

SndSysLtd said:

>Don't you think you should give it a test ride first? That's a lot of
>money to plonk down without riding it. Have you looked at other bikes
>in the same price range?

I'll ride it first. My wife has an Epic that I really like.....
What other bikes in this range do you like?

If I had that much $$$ for a bike, I would look at Ventana, Titus, and
maybe even Ellsworth. Others will tell you to stay away from Ellsworth,
but I've been happy so far.

--
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sndsysltd said:

I'm not familiar with these bikes. What I like about the S-works is how
the brain works. I ride a HT now and want something that locks out the
rear suspension when you stand when climbing. Do these do

this?Ride-A-Lot said:

I moved your respnse to the bottom so it's easier for everyone to read.
You can get different shocks. There are similar shocks for the bikes
I mentioned. Fox Propedal AVA, Fifth Element, and Swinger 4-way all
come to mind as having a similar system to the brain. I believe that
Fox makes the brain and the Propedal is basically the brain without
Specialized exclusitivity. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

--
o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
www.schnauzers.ws

Thanks for moving it, something happened to my link and it's directing me back to the cycling forum rather than Alt. newgroup.......being somewhat computer illiterate.....(sp)......I don't know why it did this.......

Ride-A-Lot said:

makes the brain and the Propedal is basically the brain without
Specialized exclusitivity. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

I don't believe that is the case at all, if it were, I would imagine the
FSR would come with a brain.
The brain is built to remain locked out until it "senses" a bump in the
trail, as opposed to rider input. In effect a hit knocks open a valve,
and it remains open until no further hits are sensed.
Propedal is always open, but valves in such a way as to slow the shocks
action when it senses rider input, vs trail input. Of course, there are
Propedal shocks that lock, but not the same way as the brain.

I guess I would refer to the Epic as semi-active, it requires a hit to
engage the shock. While some of the other bikes mentioned are
fully-active, the shock is always looking for something to do. They
don't ride up hill like a hard tail, which as I understand it, the epic
does.

I have owned and ridden an Ellsworth and a Ventana and a Titus (well,
the Mrs.) and have ridden the Epic. They are a different ride but I
prefer the fully-active suspension.

Unless I'm wrong, ...

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sndsysltd said:

I'm not familiar with these bikes. What I like about the S-works is how
the brain works. I ride a HT now and want something that locks out the
rear suspension when you stand when climbing. Do these do this?

The Brain on the Epic works great for climbing.
I climbed ~2500ft this morning with two buds on Epics, and one
on an FSR. The guy on the FSR bobbed big time when standing.
The guys on their Epics locked out their front shocks, and
seemed to climb bob-free. No bob, front or rear.
The FSR guy said he almost never stands anymore, because of bob.

My hardtail didn't bob either. :-Q

justen

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I have owned and ridden an Ellsworth and a Ventana and a Titus (well,
the Mrs.) and have ridden the Epic. They are a different ride but I
prefer the fully-active suspension.

Unless I'm wrong, ...

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Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
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Ditto.
I was the last in my group to switch from hart tail to fs. Since learning
to pedal a fs bike I have to say that I wouldn't want a mountain bike that
"pedals like a hard tail." Hard tails allow you to have a really sloppy
stroke - so what? FS allows the wheel to stay in contact with the ground -
less slippage. Sit and spin and go right past the stand and slip folks. Of
course, it is possible to stand and deliver on a fs, it just requires a
(much) smoother technique than it does on a hardtail.

It is a common mistake to want your FS to ride like a hard tail. Why would
you, really? If you want a bike to ride like a hard tail, ride a hard tail.
My experience showed me that learning to ride a fs right made me faster than
I ever was on my hardtail.

At least until I: 1) Started my business, 2) Had kids and 3) Got fat ;^)

jw said:

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Quoted message said:

I have owned and ridden an Ellsworth and a Ventana and a Titus (well,
the Mrs.) and have ridden the Epic. They are a different ride but I
prefer the fully-active suspension.

Unless I'm wrong, ...

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Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
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Ditto.
I was the last in my group to switch from hart tail to fs. Since learning
to pedal a fs bike I have to say that I wouldn't want a mountain bike that
"pedals like a hard tail." Hard tails allow you to have a really sloppy
stroke - so what? FS allows the wheel to stay in contact with the ground -
less slippage. Sit and spin and go right past the stand and slip folks. Of
course, it is possible to stand and deliver on a fs, it just requires a
(much) smoother technique than it does on a hardtail.

It is a common mistake to want your FS to ride like a hard tail. Why would
you, really? If you want a bike to ride like a hard tail, ride a hard tail.
My experience showed me that learning to ride a fs right made me faster than
I ever was on my hardtail.

Huh? What's there to learn about riding FS? I ride a lot sloppier on
my FS than my hard tails. The norm for trails here is steep dirt
covered by dust & rocks. Climbing seated or standing is much easier on
my FS.
Sorry, if my sarcasm meter's a little slow today.

Shawn