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  1. after going out on my new bike and being so unfit as to be knackered after only 20 mins does
    anyone know of any decent flat area's to ride around in birmingham until i get some fitness back
    into my legs

    im talking of billiard table flat as even slight inclines are making life difficult at the moment
    and i really dont want to just go out for 20 mins!

    would the canal toe paths be an option?(the bikes a raleigh pioneer 120 hybrid thing - ive never
    ridden them before as i always used to go on road - i used to ride about 200 miles a week several
    years back and it doesnt feel good to go out of the door and be back 20 mins later (my area is
    either uphill or downhill ... not what anyone would call hilly but more than a match for me at
    the moment!)

  2. "doobrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    after going out on my new bike and being so unfit as to be knackered after only 20 mins does
    anyone know of any decent flat area's to ride around in birmingham until i get some fitness back
    into my legs

    im talking of billiard table flat as even slight inclines are making life difficult at the moment
    and i really dont want to just go out for 20 mins!

    would the canal toe paths be an option?(the bikes a raleigh pioneer 120 hybrid thing - ive never
    ridden them before as i always used to go on road - i used to ride about 200 miles a week several
    years back and it doesnt feel good to go out of the door and be back 20 mins later (my area is
    either uphill or downhill ... not what anyone would call hilly but more than a match for me at the
    moment!)

    Don't panic. You will improve dramatically and very, very quickly.

    Check that your saddle height and bike set up are right. If they are not you will be cycling MUCH
    less efficiently.

    Do not avoid all hills. Drop the gears down so you can continue to pedal at a nice fast rate 60 to
    90 per minute ideally. Do not try to push up hills in a high gear.

    Take your time. Go a bit slower to conserve energy.

    It will get better fast.

    T

    PS Tow paths are nice -- but they always seem to have short, sharp hills on them 🙁

  3. It does come back quickly. About 12 years ago I was injured for a year and could do no cycling. My
    first cycle when I went back at it (I used to do 200m/week) was 6 miles and I got the knock. On my
    second spin I did a local big hill which I'm well used to. I thought I was going to drown in my own
    blood!. After 4 or 5 spins there was no problem. Do not push yourself. Just twirl.

  4. In article said:

    after going out on my new bike and being so unfit as to be knackered after only 20 mins does
    anyone know of any decent flat area's to ride around in birmingham until i get some fitness back
    into my legs

    im talking of billiard table flat as even slight inclines are making life difficult at the moment
    and i really dont want to just go out for 20 mins!

    would the canal toe paths be an option?(the bikes a raleigh pioneer 120 hybrid thing - ive never
    ridden them before as i always used to go on road - i used to ride about 200 miles a week several
    years back and it doesnt feel good to go out of the door and be back 20 mins later (my area is
    either uphill or downhill ... not what anyone would call hilly but more than a match for me at the
    moment!)

    Stick with it...it does get easier fairly quickly.

    When I reached 20 stone a couple of months ago, I began riding as regularly as work commitments
    allowed, and it was quite hard.

    Now I'm doing 10-12 miles 3 or 4 times a week, and the odd 45 - 50 at weekends (although rather
    frustratingly, I'm still 19 stone).

    Towpaths are ok, but you need good tyres I have found, as the amount of glass, rubbish and thorns
    tends to give you a lot of punctures (I'm not far from you, in Stourbridge, so I know what your
    canals are like!).

    Other annoyances include anglers who won't shift rods to let you past, and those anti motorcycle
    gate things, that make you constantly dismount. Also, strictly speaking you should have a permit
    from British Waterways to ride on towpaths.

    Then again, they can be very pleasant places to ride, in rural or industrial areas. I'm particularly
    enjoying watching new families of ducks and geese at the moment.

    I found it important to use routes that I enjoy riding, or the appeal tends to where off. So I
    ride a mix of towpaths and quiet lanes, where there are hills. You have to tackle them sometime
    I suppose.

    HTH

    --
    Jon
    ____________________________________________
    jondotrogersatntlworlddotcom
    ============================================

  5. doobrie <[email hidden]> writed in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    would the canal toe paths be an option?(the bikes a raleigh pioneer 120 hybrid thing - ive never
    ridden them before as i always used to go on road

    No!

    They tend to be very variable in surface quality, there is occasional debbris /deep mud / dog poo /
    gates / narrow bridgeholes

    There is continual conflict with peds, anglers, other bike riders, dog walkers.....

    And on top of that don't forget that *strictly* speaking you need a free BW permit to ride on most
    towpaths as most are not public rights of ways (although in 35 or so years I've only ever been asked
    for mine twice, and volunteered it a few more times).

    Mike Leicester- UK

  6. doobrie said:

    after going out on my new bike and being so unfit as to be knackered after only 20 mins does
    anyone know of any decent flat area's to ride around in birmingham until i get some fitness back
    into my legs

    It might be easier to use a lower gear, move the saddle up and try again :-)

    Guy
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  7. "doobrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    after going out on my new bike and being so unfit as to be knackered after only 20 mins does
    anyone know of any decent flat area's to ride around in birmingham until i get some fitness back
    into my legs

    im talking of billiard table flat as even slight inclines are making life difficult at the moment
    and i really dont want to just go out for 20 mins!

    would the canal toe paths be an option?(the bikes a raleigh pioneer 120 hybrid thing - ive never
    ridden them before as i always used to go on road - i used to ride about 200 miles a week several
    years back and it doesnt feel good to go out of the door and be back 20 mins later (my area is
    either uphill or downhill ... not what anyone would call hilly but more than a match for me at the
    moment!)

    2 things......

    1. There ain't no such thing as flat on the roads, just uphill and downhill, with varying degrees
    of steepness. The beauty about going uphill is the fact there's usually a downhill on the
    other side ;-)

    2. There are some lovely canal towpath rides around Birmingham. As I'm from the Wolverhampton /
    Walsall side, I do a loop from Wolverhampton via Tipton through Spaghetti Junction to B'ham City
    Centre then on up the main B'ham to Wolverhampton canal, runs alongside the railway. It's not as
    'pretty' as countryside stuff but does have it's own beauty. The Jewellry Quarter section is very
    interesting and lots of waterside developments going on down there. Worth popping along just for
    a look. The loop is 32 miles or so and I do it on a full susser cross country so it's plenty
    comfy. Don't think I'd like to do it on a rigid though due to variable surface types.

    As I think others have mentioned, stick with it, improvement comes remarkably quickly and before you
    know it, you won't even be getting out of breath...no, honestly ;-)

    HTH, Dave.

  8. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    doobrie said:

    after going out on my new bike and being so unfit as to be knackered after only 20 mins does
    anyone know of any decent flat area's to ride around in birmingham until i get some fitness back
    into my legs

    It might be easier to use a lower gear, move the saddle up and try again :-)

    Guy
    ===

    if the saddle went up any higher i wouldnt be able to reach the peddles 😉

    it is set up correctly ... and i am using low and high gears where appropriate - just that since an
    accident about 5-6 years ago ive not done anything fitness related and my weight on top of that has
    soared. ive started up swimming, walking and cycling to improve the situation but i spose i should
    just tootle around my local roads in low gear for a few weeks before thinking of anything else

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    doobrie <[email hidden]> writed in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    would the canal toe paths be an option?(the bikes a raleigh pioneer 120 hybrid thing - ive never
    ridden them before as i always used to go on road

    No!

    They tend to be very variable in surface quality, there is occasional debbris /deep mud / dog poo
    / gates / narrow bridgeholes

    There is continual conflict with peds, anglers, other bike riders, dog walkers.....

    well, i'll stick to the roads then - nothing worse than gong out minding own business and getting
    dragged into conflict ...

  10. In "]news:[email hidden], doobrie <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    doobrie said:

    after going out on my new bike and being so unfit as to be knackered after only 20 mins does
    anyone know of any decent flat area's to ride around in birmingham until i get some fitness back
    into my legs

    It might be easier to use a lower gear, move the saddle up and try again :-)

    if the saddle went up any higher i wouldnt be able to reach the peddles 😉

    I take it that means that your knee is only very slightly bent when the pedal is at the bottom of
    the revolution and the ball of your foot is on the pedal. (And the other leg is off the floor;
    support yourself with a hand on a wall while trying this) Anyway, it's worth stating that explicitly
    for any lurkers.

    Quoted message said:

    it is set up correctly ... and i am using low and high gears where appropriate - just that since
    an accident about 5-6 years ago ive not done anything fitness related and my weight on top of that
    has soared.

    If you're comfortable walking for 20 minutes, you should be able to cycle at about the same level of
    effort for the same length of time. Are your tyres
    a) knobbly (and made of inflexible rubber) and/or b) underinflated (if you squeeze the tyre with
    your thumb, with your fingers bracing themselves on the rim, as hard as you can, you still
    shouldn't be able to squeeze it flat)? If so, pump up your tyres until they're pretty hard and
    that should make life easier. Hopefully the shop will have sent you away with a pumpwhen they
    sold you the bike.

    The canals in Birmingham are good. If you're near Selly Oak, Bournville or Kings Norton, you can use
    the canal to get into town, and that's a nice flat rider. Access points are at Selly Oak Triangle
    (go down past Quick's the car dealers*), Bournville station and Lifford Lane respectively.

    If you're near the Rea Valley cycle route (Stirchley to Canon Hill Park), that's also a nice easy
    route to cycle.

    Enjoy the riding, and I hope it gets easier soon.

    Ambrose

    *It's also very close to Selly Oak cycles, where the shop owner is very helpful, even though it's a
    pretty scruffy place.

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I take it that means that your knee is only very slightly bent when the pedal is at the bottom of
    the revolution and the ball of your foot is on the pedal. (And the other leg is off the floor;
    support yourself with a hand on a wall while trying this) Anyway, it's worth stating that
    explicitly for any lurkers.

    yes, set up just like that.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it is set up correctly ... and i am using low and high gears where appropriate - just that since
    an accident about 5-6 years ago ive not done anything fitness related and my weight on top of
    that has soared.

    If you're comfortable walking for 20 minutes, you should be able to cycle at about the same level
    of effort for the same length of time. Are your tyres
    a) knobbly (and made of inflexible rubber) and/or b) underinflated (if you squeeze the tyre with
    your thumb, with your fingers bracing themselves on the rim, as hard as you can, you still
    shouldn't be able to squeeze it flat)? If so, pump up your tyres until they're pretty hard and
    that should make life easier. Hopefully the shop will have sent you away with a pumpwhen they
    sold you the bike.

    they are definately closer to slicks than to knobbly mtb tires and are pumped up quite hard ... im a
    heavy sod though at just under 23 stone so they dont look as hard as they are when im sitting on the
    bike - its certainly a nice sturdy bike anyway which is what i wanted/needed until i get back into
    shape .... i did very much like the look of the carera virtuoso on display so have that or similair
    in mind for next year 😉

    Quoted message said:

    The canals in Birmingham are good. If you're near Selly Oak, Bournville or Kings Norton, you can
    use the canal to get into town, and that's a nice flat rider. Access points are at Selly Oak
    Triangle (go down past Quick's the car dealers*), Bournville station and Lifford Lane
    respectively.

    If you're near the Rea Valley cycle route (Stirchley to Canon Hill Park), that's also a nice easy
    route to cycle.

    Enjoy the riding, and I hope it gets easier soon.

    Ambrose

    ive been put off the idea of the canal toe paths now and will stick to my local roads erdington way,
    for a while at least - i'll try and keep my gear as low as i can and spin more than i feel
    comfortable at - i dont like spinning a lot whilst moving slowly, looks/feels odd - something i'll
    have to get over if i want my fitness back i spose ...

  12. "doobrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    ive been put off the idea of the canal toe paths now and will stick to my local roads erdington
    way, for a while at least - i'll try and keep my gear as low as i can and spin more than i feel
    comfortable at - i dont like spinning a lot whilst moving slowly, looks/feels odd - something i'll
    have to get over if i want my fitness back i spose ...

    Yes, canals are worth doing once or twice, but no more than that. I once set out to cycle to
    Wolverhampton along the canal. By about three quarters of the way there I was nearly braindead with
    boredom so I came off and cycled home along the roads.

    Why not try a few circuits of Sutton Park? If you don't want to cycle there, the Cross City Line
    takes bikes for free (out side of rush hours). The bike space is in the carriage with the pantagraph
    on top, at the door furthest from the pantagraph.

    --
    Cheerful pedalling John Mallard take out the_bike_ to reply

  13. "doobrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    doobrie <[email hidden]> writed in
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    Quoted message said:

    would the canal toe paths be an option?(the bikes a raleigh pioneer


    120

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hybrid thing - ive never ridden them before as i always used to go on road

    No!

    They tend to be very variable in surface quality, there is occasional debbris /deep mud / dog
    poo / gates / narrow bridgeholes

    There is continual conflict with peds, anglers, other bike riders, dog walkers.....

    well, i'll stick to the roads then - nothing worse than gong out minding own business and getting
    dragged into conflict ...

    Doobrie, go for it, it's nowhere as near as bad as made out in that post, certainly not what I've
    experienced around the B'ham area. I find it much better on the towpaths than the road and somehow,
    it just feels healthier ;-) Dave.

  14. Dave said:

    Oh go on, wots a pantagraph then ?...anyone ?...

    It's the bit which picks up the sparks from overhead lines.

    Guy
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  15. In "]news:[email hidden], Just zis Guy, you know?
    <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:
    Dave said:

    Oh go on, wots a pantagraph then ?...anyone ?...

    It's the bit which picks up the sparks from overhead lines.

    And for your next question, the shape of the overhead line is?

    Tony

    --
    raven-family.comraven-family.com

    "All truth goes through three steps: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed.
    Finally, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer

  16. Tony Raven said:

    And for your next question, the shape of the overhead line is?

    No idea - I've never seen these alleged vehicles. But I do know what a pantograph is. And how to
    spell it...

    I presume the line is more or less straight and supported on a catenary but I really don't know.

    Guy
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  17. "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Oh go on, wots a pantagraph then ?...anyone ?...

    It's a tool used by the sales divisions of underwear companies to help them predict the proportion
    of frillies/woolies to make next year.

    cheers, clive

    (in answer to Tony's question, another one : in which plane?)

  18. "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Oh go on, wots a pantagraph then ?...anyone ?...

    It's a tool used by the sales divisions of underwear companies to help


    them

    Quoted message said:

    predict the proportion of frillies/woolies to make next year.

    cheers, clive

    (in answer to Tony's question, another one : in which plane?)


    Damn, should've been able to have worked that one out....must try harder!! cheers, dave.

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