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  1. A team of 12 CBS reporters is now looking into every aspect of what Rather's
    detractors are calling "Memogate." The network at first dismissed any
    possibility of having been duped but doesn't rule it out now.

    Was 60 Minutes snookered? "If the documents turn out to be either
    re-creations or whatever, then we were snookered," Howard says. "One thing I
    know is that 60 Minutes didn't create the documents. This wasn't a fraud we
    perpetrated. If we were tricked, it would have had to have been a very
    elaborate hoax. And that's what we're trying to get to the bottom of."
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    I don't think that's how it happen. The hoax started at CBS NEWS and CBS
    let it be known that they were looking for this type of memo. Kerry &
    Company found someone that would provide the needed memos.

  2. Callistus Valerius said:

    Kerry & Company found someone
    that would provide the needed memos.

    There is no evidence of this -- your statement is conjecture. Given
    the ease with which the authenticity of the memos was discounted, it's
    also possible that Bush supporters produced the memos. But there's no
    evidence for that either.

    Clearly, CBS messed up.

    JT

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  3. "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    A team of 12 CBS reporters is now looking into every aspect of what


    Rather's

    Quoted message said:

    detractors are calling "Memogate." The network at first dismissed any
    possibility of having been duped but doesn't rule it out now.

    Was 60 Minutes snookered? "If the documents turn out to be either
    re-creations or whatever, then we were snookered," Howard says. "One thing


    I

    Quoted message said:

    know is that 60 Minutes didn't create the documents. This wasn't a fraud


    we

    Quoted message said:

    perpetrated. If we were tricked, it would have had to have been a very
    elaborate hoax. And that's what we're trying to get to the bottom of."
    ----------------
    I don't think that's how it happen. The hoax started at CBS NEWS and CBS
    let it be known that they were looking for this type of memo. Kerry &
    Company found someone that would provide the needed memos.

    And we're discussing this in rbr because ... ?

  4. psycholist said:

    "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A team of 12 CBS reporters is now looking into every aspect of what

    Rather's

    Quoted message said:

    detractors are calling "Memogate." The network at first dismissed any
    possibility of having been duped but doesn't rule it out now.

    Was 60 Minutes snookered? "If the documents turn out to be either
    re-creations or whatever, then we were snookered," Howard says. "One thing

    I

    Quoted message said:

    know is that 60 Minutes didn't create the documents. This wasn't a fraud

    we

    Quoted message said:

    perpetrated. If we were tricked, it would have had to have been a very
    elaborate hoax. And that's what we're trying to get to the bottom of."
    ----------------
    I don't think that's how it happen. The hoax started at CBS NEWS and CBS
    let it be known that they were looking for this type of memo. Kerry &
    Company found someone that would provide the needed memos.

    And we're discussing this in rbr because ... ?

    Apparently because it's a rest day at the Vuelta.

  5. "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A team of 12 CBS reporters is now looking into every aspect of what


    Rather's

    Quoted message said:

    detractors are calling "Memogate." The network at first dismissed any
    possibility of having been duped but doesn't rule it out now.

    Was 60 Minutes snookered? "If the documents turn out to be either
    re-creations or whatever, then we were snookered," Howard says. "One thing


    I

    Quoted message said:

    know is that 60 Minutes didn't create the documents. This wasn't a fraud


    we

    Quoted message said:

    perpetrated. If we were tricked, it would have had to have been a very
    elaborate hoax. And that's what we're trying to get to the bottom of."
    ----------------
    I don't think that's how it happen. The hoax started at CBS NEWS and CBS
    let it be known that they were looking for this type of memo. Kerry &
    Company found someone that would provide the needed memos.

    Do you really think LANCE was involved?!

  6. Callistus Valerius said:
    Quoted message said:

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    I don't think that's how it happen. The hoax started at CBS NEWS and CBS
    let it be known that they were looking for this type of memo. Kerry &
    Company found someone that would provide the needed memos.

    Chris said:

    Do you really think LANCE was involved?

    There's a new memo to LANCE from Ferrari that will be released as soon as
    M Lafferty can figure out what font Ferrari uses.

  7. John Forrest Tomlinson <@4ax.com>...

    Quoted message said:
    Callistus Valerius said:

    Kerry & Company found someone
    that would provide the needed memos.

    There is no evidence of this -- your statement is conjecture. Given
    the ease with which the authenticity of the memos was discounted, it's
    also possible that Bush supporters produced the memos. But there's no
    evidence for that either.

    Clearly, CBS messed up.

    Keeping perfectly to RBR topic, thanks guys!
    Awesome.

    -Ken

  8. "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Callistus Valerius said:

    Kerry & Company found someone
    that would provide the needed memos.

    There is no evidence of this -- your statement is conjecture. Given
    the ease with which the authenticity of the memos was discounted, it's
    also possible that Bush supporters produced the memos. But there's no
    evidence for that either.

    Clearly, CBS messed up.

    It's much more than this John. CBS has been working on this story for four
    years. During that time they found absolutely nothing to back up this story.
    Knox (LC Killian's secretary) who is a professed Bush hater was the only one
    that ever came up with this story about Killian writing himself memos.
    Killian's wife and his son who was also in the Air National Guard at that
    time, said that Killian never kept personal files because he held his
    thoughts to himself and entirely in his head.

    If 60 Minutes couldn't bring this story out BEFORE the election it wouldn't
    be newsworthy. After the election Bush will either be in for his final term
    or out and no one will care.

    So Dan Rather and CBS made a concious decision to use what they knew to be
    forged documents in order to support their "American Spectator-esque" view
    of the world.

    As it turns out Burkett, an Army National Guard member who had nothing
    whatsoever to do with Bush bragged on a left-wing newsgroup some months ago
    that he'd "reconstructed" Bush's military files.

    Noticable by it's absence was Dan Rather's questions to Ms. Knox asking her
    if she'd described the exact contents of Killian's supposed memos about Bush
    to anyone else besides them. Plainly both parties knew what the answer would
    be.

    The memos were so obviously faked that it was barely 5 minutes after they
    were posted on the internet before there were literally hundreds of people
    crying "fake"! Burkett has said in public that he's been trying everything
    to obtain a position in a Kerry administration. Moreover Burkett is carrying
    a grudge against Bush because he has been in an argument for many years over
    a disease he claims to have contracted in the ANG in Panama and the Veterans
    Administration has repeatedly contested that claim since he hadn't any signs
    of it during or after his stay there. He has transferred this anger towards
    President Bush and it is traceable by his many postings on leftist posting
    groups.

    There is the question about Marian Carr Knox and her supposed memories of
    Bush. It would be normal of her to remember the way she typed memos but what
    we see from this 86 year old woman is the claim that she can remember the
    contents of memos typed about Bush from 31 years or more ago. Now since she
    would have typed up thousands of documents in her 30 years in government
    service exactly what would have stuck in her mind about George W. Bush, a
    typical happy-go-lucky fighter pilot type whose main essense was the ability
    to disappear in a group of more than two? My guess is that the thing that
    really stuck in her head was that he was President of the United States
    right now. And that made all the difference between the Bush she remembered
    as a normal stick jockey in '72 and the Bush who she claimed she typed up
    memos about 31 years ago claiming that he missed a physical.

    Let's just look at that sort of claim. Bush was the son of a relatively
    powerless representative
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=128&ncid=742&e=8&u=/ucwb/20040920/cm_ucwb/theinfluencebehindw

    I suppose we have to wonder exactly what this crime was that Bush is said to
    have committed. Well, it was in Dan Rather's words "Well, then, George Bush
    defied direct orders!" Err, is that so? If that's the case one has to wonder
    exactly what sort of military disipline if available in the ANG since the
    report is that 1/3rd of all Guard pilots miss a physical at one time or
    another.

    Was this a case of having to just pop into a hospital at some time and get
    inspected? No, as a matter of fact, all of the doctors were Guard, all of
    the involved personel. It TOO was a Guard exercise and it too had to have
    everyone there and because it was the Air National Guard and all of its
    members were civilians with real jobs as well, physicals were missed if not
    with regularity at least often enough that it wasn't cause for comment nor
    remembrance.

    Bush could have waited for the next time that physicals were scheduled but
    then, he was getting out and there certainly wasn't any reason to steal a
    flying position from someone that wanted it.

    The fact that the entire Bush attack is little more than a tempest in a
    teapot is dwarfed by the intend of CBS to resort to absolutely any means to
    assault a sitting President. Virtually every facet of their story is a
    fabrication from beginning to end.

    I believe that this is an extremely serious charge against CBS and that
    their license to broadcast should be removed.

  9. "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    And we're discussing this in rbr because ... ?

    Because we're human and this is an important topic that those of us who
    actually go out and ride would discuss on the ride. I know that I spent some
    time on my 40 mile ride on Saturday talking about it.

  10. Quoted message said:

    From: "Tom Kunich" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Because we're human and this is an important topic that those of us who
    actually go out and ride would discuss on the ride. I know that I spent some
    time on my 40 mile ride on Saturday talking about it.

    Tom when I could actually get in any miles, that was my time to run all the
    information that I'd put in over the day through, and on slow news days to
    consider the state of the world, philosophy, politics as related to history
    etc...except for days that went uphill when I was too busy trying not to die.
    Bill C

  11. Tom Kunich said:


    Let's just look at that sort of claim. Bush was the son of a relatively
    powerless representative
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=128&ncid=742&e=8&u=/ucwb/20040920/cm_ucwb/theinfluencebehindw

    George H W Bush was appointed to be Ambassador to the UN in 1971. In
    1973 he was appointed chairman of the Republican National Committee.

    I'm sure everyone in the GOP wondered where this guy came from, since he
    had so little power. I'll bet they sure were surprised that he rose
    from the lowly station of Senator's son to Chairman of the GOP.

    Surely that and his anonymous position in Texas politics wouldn't be of
    any influence in securing a position for his ne'er-do-well son in the TANG.

    Mark

  12. Tom Kunich said:

    "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    And we're discussing this in rbr because ... ?

    Because we're human and this is an important topic that those of us who
    actually go out and ride would discuss on the ride. I know that I spent some
    time on my 40 mile ride on Saturday talking about it.

    OK, might as well learn how GW dodged WW II as well, then:

    http://www.ucomics.com/tomthedancingbug/

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