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  1. Original post
    Moosh:)
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    I look at three wheelers like windcheater and greenspeed and especially tandems and all those yards
    of chain. A man could do hisself a power of mischief if this all came unstuck at speed.

    Has anyone ever tried a three-wheeler with two at the front but rear wheel steering? Have to be a
    bit careful, but I reckon you could get used to it. Much better engineering if it is manageable.

    Moosh🙂

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  2. Masterblaster
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    "Moosh🙂" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I look at three wheelers like windcheater and greenspeed and especially tandems and all those
    yards of chain. A man could do hisself a power of mischief if this all came unstuck at speed.

    Has anyone ever tried a three-wheeler with two at the front but rear wheel steering? Have to be a
    bit careful, but I reckon you could get used to it. Much better engineering if it is manageable.

    2-wheelers at wannee.nle index.htm and
    wannee.nle abt deel2.htm 3-wheelers at wannee.nle abd.htm

    Some strange-looking stuff there!

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  3. Wile E.Coyote
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    been tried a few times with tadpoles but it never caught on. Last try was called the Sidewinder.
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    "MasterBlaster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Moosh🙂" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I look at three wheelers like windcheater and greenspeed and especially tandems and all those
    yards of chain. A man could do hisself a power of mischief if this all came unstuck at speed.

    Has anyone ever tried a three-wheeler with two at the front but rear wheel steering? Have to be
    a bit careful, but I reckon you could get used to it. Much better engineering if it is
    manageable.

    2-wheelers at wannee.nle index.htm and
    wannee.nle abt deel2.htm 3-wheelers at wannee.nle abd.htm

    Some strange-looking stuff there!

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  4. Seamus
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    Rear wheel steering doesn't seem to work very well.

    How about a Russian S-327 with a short cain to drive the two front wheels which also steer....
    http://www.eland.org.uk/s327.html

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  5. Jeff Wills
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    "Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I look at three wheelers like windcheater and greenspeed and especially tandems and all those
    yards of chain. A man could do hisself a power of mischief if this all came unstuck at speed.

    Has anyone ever tried a three-wheeler with two at the front but rear wheel steering? Have to be a
    bit careful, but I reckon you could get used to it. Much better engineering if it is manageable.

    Moosh🙂

    You're describing a Sidewinder: sidewindercycle.comsidewindercycle.com There's a short review at
    ihpva.org022264.html

    I've had exactly one failure of my chain in tens of thousands of miles of riding, which necessitated
    a roadside repair, nothing worse. Given the difficulty of engineering a two-wheel drive axle and
    rear wheel steering (many have tried, few have succeeded), I'll stick with driving the rear wheel,
    thank you.

    Jeff

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  6. Harv
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    Didja' ever try to drive a fork lift truck at speed? Not real fun! "Jeff Wills"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I look at three wheelers like windcheater and greenspeed and especially tandems and all those
    yards of chain. A man could do hisself a power of mischief if this all came unstuck at speed.

    Has anyone ever tried a three-wheeler with two at the front but rear wheel steering? Have to be
    a bit careful, but I reckon you could get used to it. Much better engineering if it is
    manageable.

    Moosh🙂

    You're describing a Sidewinder: sidewindercycle.comsidewindercycle.com There's a short review at
    ihpva.org022264.html

    I've had exactly one failure of my chain in tens of thousands of miles of riding, which
    necessitated a roadside repair, nothing worse. Given the difficulty of engineering a two-wheel
    drive axle and rear wheel steering (many have tried, few have succeeded), I'll stick with driving
    the rear wheel, thank you.

    Jeff

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  7. Just Zis Guy
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    harv said:

    Didja' ever try to drive a fork lift truck at speed? Not real fun!

    Wasn't Thrust 2 rear-wheel steered? I think that was controllable above walking pace...

    Guy
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    ** WARNING ** This posting may contain traces of irony. chapmancentral.comchapmancentral.com (BT ADSL and
    dynamic DNS permitting)
    NOTE: BT Openworld have now blocked port 25 (without notice), so old mail addresses may no longer
    work. Apologies.

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  8. Moosh:)
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    harv said:

    Didja' ever try to drive a fork lift truck at speed? Not real fun!

    Ayup. But it has been designed for slow speed high manoeverability.

    Driving a car in reverse at speed needs a lot of care, but if it is set up for rear wheel steer....

    Moosh🙂

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  9. Moosh:)
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    (Jeff Wills) said:

    "Moosh🙂" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I look at three wheelers like windcheater and greenspeed and especially tandems and all those
    yards of chain. A man could do hisself a power of mischief if this all came unstuck at speed.

    Has anyone ever tried a three-wheeler with two at the front but rear wheel steering? Have to be a
    bit careful, but I reckon you could get used to it. Much better engineering if it is manageable.

    Moosh🙂

    You're describing a Sidewinder: sidewindercycle.comsidewindercycle.com There's a short review at
    ihpva.org022264.html

    I've had exactly one failure of my chain in tens of thousands of miles of riding, which
    necessitated a roadside repair, nothing worse. Given the difficulty of engineering a two-wheel
    drive axle and rear wheel steering (many have tried, few have succeeded), I'll stick with driving
    the rear wheel, thank you.

    I was really joking about the chain catastrophe. I just feel that all that chain might be
    unnecessary. Nevertheless, I will probably come back full circle to the pedals at the extreme
    opposite end to the drive wheel with the peddler appearing to be taking a kip in the middle 🙂

    My thoughts at the minute are of a pair of "deckchairs" side-by-side with a non-steering wheel and
    peddle assembly in front of each (perhaps the bottom bracket and fork and wheel with chainwheels/
    sprockets from two cannibalised bikes? 🙂

    Between the two seats, a steering joy stick (tiller) linked to a lever on the single rear wheel
    which could be the front forks and wheel and headstock from one of the above cannibalised bikes.

    BTW, the brakes on the front wheel are going to have to apply equally or you will have some
    unintended directional decisions 🙂 This can be done with the judicious use of compensating levers,
    I believe. (The word for this arrangement escapes me for the moment)

    Then there's the problem of the captain peddling harder than the stoker and the tendency for this to
    send the velocipede in circles. Perhaps a linkage between the two front wheels mit ratchet so we
    don't wear out the lubbers on corners?

    Moosh🙂

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  10. Moosh:)
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    you know? said:
    harv said:

    Didja' ever try to drive a fork lift truck at speed? Not real fun!

    Wasn't Thrust 2 rear-wheel steered? I think that was controllable above walking pace...

    Anyone got a link to a THRUST photo?

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  11. Mikael Seierup
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    "Moosh🙂" skrev

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Wasn't Thrust 2 rear-wheel steered? I think that was controllable above walking pace...

    Anyone got a link to a THRUST photo?

    ourworld.compuserve.comSSC pics.htm

    (official page seems to have vanished)

    AFAIK the Thrust is best described as a tadpole with the two rear wheels fairly close together. And
    they weren't excactly doing slalom runs with it. 🙂

    M

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  12. Mike Causer
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    you know? said:

    Wasn't Thrust 2 rear-wheel steered? I think that was controllable above walking pace...

    ... up to Mach 1.02 -- yes.

    If you ever see a lecture offered by Ron Ayres go to it! He shows footage not only of the Thrust
    SSC, but also of the Mini modifed to tadpole configuration & rear-wheel steering.

    So who will be the first cyclist to produce the power output of two R-R Speys, and pedal to Mach 1?

    Mike

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  13. Dave Larrington
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    Mike Causer said:
    you know? said:

    Wasn't Thrust 2 rear-wheel steered? I think that was controllable above walking pace...

    ... up to Mach 1.02 -- yes.

    After the record runs, though, Andy Green went on record as saying that RWS should henceforth be
    confined to forklifts...

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.crosswinds.netlegslarry.crosswinds.net
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
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  14. Moosh:)
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    Dave Larrington said:
    Mike Causer said:
    you know? said:

    Wasn't Thrust 2 rear-wheel steered? I think that was controllable above walking pace...

    ... up to Mach 1.02 -- yes.

    After the record runs, though, Andy Green went on record as saying that RWS should henceforth be
    confined to forklifts...

    Or Honda motor cars? 🙂

    Funny how if it has problems at mach speed, it must be relegated to crawling speed.

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