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Crit Pro = Erik Saunders ?

Al James · 2004-09-13T06:37:39+00:00

A few signs point that way. 1. Crit Pro's RBR headers are stamped by Google groups as originating in the Pacific time zone. Saunders (http://eriksaunders.com) lives and trains in Twentynine Palms, Calif., also in the Pacific time zone. 2. Crit Pro refers to www.stolenunderground.com in his anti-doping posts. Stolenunderground is the first link on Saunders' web page on his "Links" page. 3. Language and style. Saunders' web page makes heavy use of "three-dot" sentence structure with few capital letters. Crit Pro rarely uses 3-dot but often drops the capital letters. The writing style (direct, staccato, blunt with some profanity) of Crit Pro and Saunders are fairly similar. 4. Crit Pro claimed to be in Downers Grove for the crit championship. Saunders raced there. 5. Crit Pro claimed to be at T-Mobile Int'l today, but his time stamp for his newsgroup post the same day at 5 pm is too soon for Saunders to make it back to 29 Palms, only 2.5 hours after the race concluded. Crit Pro claimed to DNF. Interestingly, Saunders' name is not in the T-Mobile race results, not even as a DNF; this would suggest that Saunders never left SoCal. Or, he used a laptop and T-Mobile's results list wrongly omitted Saunders' DNF. 6. Most riders don't publish web sites the way Saunders does. There are some, yes, but Saunders' is unique with its in your face style. The web page suggests a desire by Saunders to get his persona "out there" for all to read. Just like Crit Pro.

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Al James
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13 September 2004, 06:37 UTC #1

A few signs point that way.
1. Crit Pro's RBR headers are stamped by Google groups as originating in
the Pacific time zone. Saunders (http://eriksaunders.com) lives and
trains in Twentynine Palms, Calif., also in the Pacific time zone.
2. Crit Pro refers to www.stolenunderground.com in his anti-doping posts.
Stolenunderground is the first link on Saunders' web page on his "Links"
page.
3. Language and style. Saunders' web page makes heavy use of "three-dot"
sentence structure with few capital letters. Crit Pro rarely uses 3-dot
but often drops the capital letters. The writing style (direct, staccato,
blunt with some profanity) of Crit Pro and Saunders are fairly similar.
4. Crit Pro claimed to be in Downers Grove for the crit championship.
Saunders raced there.
5. Crit Pro claimed to be at T-Mobile Int'l today, but his time stamp for
his newsgroup post the same day at 5 pm is too soon for Saunders to make
it back to 29 Palms, only 2.5 hours after the race concluded. Crit Pro
claimed to DNF. Interestingly, Saunders' name is not in the T-Mobile race
results, not even as a DNF; this would suggest that Saunders never left
SoCal. Or, he used a laptop and T-Mobile's results list wrongly omitted
Saunders' DNF.
6. Most riders don't publish web sites the way Saunders does. There are
some, yes, but Saunders' is unique with its in your face style. The web
page suggests a desire by Saunders to get his persona "out there" for all
to read. Just like Crit Pro.

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Tom Arsenault
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13 September 2004, 12:02 UTC #2

Al James <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
A few signs point that way.
1. Crit Pro's RBR headers are stamped by Google groups as originating in
the Pacific time zone. Saunders (http://eriksaunders.com) lives and
trains in Twentynine Palms, Calif., also in the Pacific time zone.
2. Crit Pro refers to www.stolenunderground.com in his anti-doping posts.
Stolenunderground is the first link on Saunders' web page on his "Links"
page.
3. Language and style. Saunders' web page makes heavy use of "three-dot"
sentence structure with few capital letters. Crit Pro rarely uses 3-dot
but often drops the capital letters. The writing style (direct, staccato,
blunt with some profanity) of Crit Pro and Saunders are fairly similar.
4. Crit Pro claimed to be in Downers Grove for the crit championship.
Saunders raced there.
5. Crit Pro claimed to be at T-Mobile Int'l today, but his time stamp for
his newsgroup post the same day at 5 pm is too soon for Saunders to make
it back to 29 Palms, only 2.5 hours after the race concluded. Crit Pro
claimed to DNF. Interestingly, Saunders' name is not in the T-Mobile race
results, not even as a DNF; this would suggest that Saunders never left
SoCal. Or, he used a laptop and T-Mobile's results list wrongly omitted
Saunders' DNF.
6. Most riders don't publish web sites the way Saunders does. There are
some, yes, but Saunders' is unique with its in your face style. The web
page suggests a desire by Saunders to get his persona "out there" for all
to read. Just like Crit Pro.
All good points, but I have to point out that I think you're
incorrect. I don't know him personally, but it seems to me that Erik
Saunders is not someone to mince words, and he would want you to know
that it's coming from him. He's not the type of person to hide behind
a fake name and handle, and aside from that, he posts on RBR all of
the time, well, not all of the time, but often enough.
Tom

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chris
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13 September 2004, 13:56 UTC #3

Perhaps...But I doubt it, because Eric Saunders has never had a
problem laying smack before so I can't see why he would now decide to
take on a secret identity. Besides, he could say whatever he wants
because not too many guys in the U.S. are gonna try to pick a fight
with him; have you seen the "guns" on the guy? Last, the writing
style is totally different.
CH
Al James <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
A few signs point that way.
1. Crit Pro's RBR headers are stamped by Google groups as originating in
the Pacific time zone. Saunders (http://eriksaunders.com) lives and
trains in Twentynine Palms, Calif., also in the Pacific time zone.
2. Crit Pro refers to www.stolenunderground.com in his anti-doping posts.
Stolenunderground is the first link on Saunders' web page on his "Links"
page.
3. Language and style. Saunders' web page makes heavy use of "three-dot"
sentence structure with few capital letters. Crit Pro rarely uses 3-dot
but often drops the capital letters. The writing style (direct, staccato,
blunt with some profanity) of Crit Pro and Saunders are fairly similar.
4. Crit Pro claimed to be in Downers Grove for the crit championship.
Saunders raced there.
5. Crit Pro claimed to be at T-Mobile Int'l today, but his time stamp for
his newsgroup post the same day at 5 pm is too soon for Saunders to make
it back to 29 Palms, only 2.5 hours after the race concluded. Crit Pro
claimed to DNF. Interestingly, Saunders' name is not in the T-Mobile race
results, not even as a DNF; this would suggest that Saunders never left
SoCal. Or, he used a laptop and T-Mobile's results list wrongly omitted
Saunders' DNF.
6. Most riders don't publish web sites the way Saunders does. There are
some, yes, but Saunders' is unique with its in your face style. The web
page suggests a desire by Saunders to get his persona "out there" for all
to read. Just like Crit Pro.

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chris
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13 September 2004, 13:56 UTC #4

Perhaps...But I doubt it, because Eric Saunders has never had a
problem laying smack before so I can't see why he would now decide to
take on a secret identity. Besides, he could say whatever he wants
because not too many guys in the U.S. are gonna try to pick a fight
with him; have you seen the "guns" on the guy? Last, the writing
style is totally different.
CH
Al James <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
A few signs point that way.
1. Crit Pro's RBR headers are stamped by Google groups as originating in
the Pacific time zone. Saunders (http://eriksaunders.com) lives and
trains in Twentynine Palms, Calif., also in the Pacific time zone.
2. Crit Pro refers to www.stolenunderground.com in his anti-doping posts.
Stolenunderground is the first link on Saunders' web page on his "Links"
page.
3. Language and style. Saunders' web page makes heavy use of "three-dot"
sentence structure with few capital letters. Crit Pro rarely uses 3-dot
but often drops the capital letters. The writing style (direct, staccato,
blunt with some profanity) of Crit Pro and Saunders are fairly similar.
4. Crit Pro claimed to be in Downers Grove for the crit championship.
Saunders raced there.
5. Crit Pro claimed to be at T-Mobile Int'l today, but his time stamp for
his newsgroup post the same day at 5 pm is too soon for Saunders to make
it back to 29 Palms, only 2.5 hours after the race concluded. Crit Pro
claimed to DNF. Interestingly, Saunders' name is not in the T-Mobile race
results, not even as a DNF; this would suggest that Saunders never left
SoCal. Or, he used a laptop and T-Mobile's results list wrongly omitted
Saunders' DNF.
6. Most riders don't publish web sites the way Saunders does. There are
some, yes, but Saunders' is unique with its in your face style. The web
page suggests a desire by Saunders to get his persona "out there" for all
to read. Just like Crit Pro.

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chris
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13 September 2004, 13:56 UTC #5

Perhaps...But I doubt it, because Eric Saunders has never had a
problem laying smack before so I can't see why he would now decide to
take on a secret identity. Besides, he could say whatever he wants
because not too many guys in the U.S. are gonna try to pick a fight
with him; have you seen the "guns" on the guy? Last, the writing
style is totally different.
CH
Al James <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
A few signs point that way.
1. Crit Pro's RBR headers are stamped by Google groups as originating in
the Pacific time zone. Saunders (http://eriksaunders.com) lives and
trains in Twentynine Palms, Calif., also in the Pacific time zone.
2. Crit Pro refers to www.stolenunderground.com in his anti-doping posts.
Stolenunderground is the first link on Saunders' web page on his "Links"
page.
3. Language and style. Saunders' web page makes heavy use of "three-dot"
sentence structure with few capital letters. Crit Pro rarely uses 3-dot
but often drops the capital letters. The writing style (direct, staccato,
blunt with some profanity) of Crit Pro and Saunders are fairly similar.
4. Crit Pro claimed to be in Downers Grove for the crit championship.
Saunders raced there.
5. Crit Pro claimed to be at T-Mobile Int'l today, but his time stamp for
his newsgroup post the same day at 5 pm is too soon for Saunders to make
it back to 29 Palms, only 2.5 hours after the race concluded. Crit Pro
claimed to DNF. Interestingly, Saunders' name is not in the T-Mobile race
results, not even as a DNF; this would suggest that Saunders never left
SoCal. Or, he used a laptop and T-Mobile's results list wrongly omitted
Saunders' DNF.
6. Most riders don't publish web sites the way Saunders does. There are
some, yes, but Saunders' is unique with its in your face style. The web
page suggests a desire by Saunders to get his persona "out there" for all
to read. Just like Crit Pro.

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chris
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13 September 2004, 13:56 UTC #6

Perhaps...But I doubt it, because Eric Saunders has never had a
problem laying smack before so I can't see why he would now decide to
take on a secret identity. Besides, he could say whatever he wants
because not too many guys in the U.S. are gonna try to pick a fight
with him; have you seen the "guns" on the guy? Last, the writing
style is totally different.
CH
Al James <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
A few signs point that way.
1. Crit Pro's RBR headers are stamped by Google groups as originating in
the Pacific time zone. Saunders (http://eriksaunders.com) lives and
trains in Twentynine Palms, Calif., also in the Pacific time zone.
2. Crit Pro refers to www.stolenunderground.com in his anti-doping posts.
Stolenunderground is the first link on Saunders' web page on his "Links"
page.
3. Language and style. Saunders' web page makes heavy use of "three-dot"
sentence structure with few capital letters. Crit Pro rarely uses 3-dot
but often drops the capital letters. The writing style (direct, staccato,
blunt with some profanity) of Crit Pro and Saunders are fairly similar.
4. Crit Pro claimed to be in Downers Grove for the crit championship.
Saunders raced there.
5. Crit Pro claimed to be at T-Mobile Int'l today, but his time stamp for
his newsgroup post the same day at 5 pm is too soon for Saunders to make
it back to 29 Palms, only 2.5 hours after the race concluded. Crit Pro
claimed to DNF. Interestingly, Saunders' name is not in the T-Mobile race
results, not even as a DNF; this would suggest that Saunders never left
SoCal. Or, he used a laptop and T-Mobile's results list wrongly omitted
Saunders' DNF.
6. Most riders don't publish web sites the way Saunders does. There are
some, yes, but Saunders' is unique with its in your face style. The web
page suggests a desire by Saunders to get his persona "out there" for all
to read. Just like Crit Pro.

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Mark VandenBerghe
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13 September 2004, 16:45 UTC #7

E-Rok wasn't there. Jackie Stewart on the other hand...
elementary, my dear Watson
Mark VandenBerghe
"chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Perhaps...But I doubt it, because Eric Saunders has never had a
problem laying smack before so I can't see why he would now decide to
take on a secret identity. Besides, he could say whatever he wants
because not too many guys in the U.S. are gonna try to pick a fight
with him; have you seen the "guns" on the guy? Last, the writing
style is totally different.
CH
Al James <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
A few signs point that way.
1. Crit Pro's RBR headers are stamped by Google groups as originating in
the Pacific time zone. Saunders (http://eriksaunders.com) lives and
trains in Twentynine Palms, Calif., also in the Pacific time zone.
2. Crit Pro refers to www.stolenunderground.com in his anti-doping posts.
Stolenunderground is the first link on Saunders' web page on his "Links"
page.
3. Language and style. Saunders' web page makes heavy use of "three-dot"
sentence structure with few capital letters. Crit Pro rarely uses 3-dot
but often drops the capital letters. The writing style (direct, staccato,
blunt with some profanity) of Crit Pro and Saunders are fairly similar.
4. Crit Pro claimed to be in Downers Grove for the crit championship.
Saunders raced there.
5. Crit Pro claimed to be at T-Mobile Int'l today, but his time stamp for
his newsgroup post the same day at 5 pm is too soon for Saunders to make
it back to 29 Palms, only 2.5 hours after the race concluded. Crit Pro
claimed to DNF. Interestingly, Saunders' name is not in the T-Mobile race
results, not even as a DNF; this would suggest that Saunders never left
SoCal. Or, he used a laptop and T-Mobile's results list wrongly omitted
Saunders' DNF.
6. Most riders don't publish web sites the way Saunders does. There are
some, yes, but Saunders' is unique with its in your face style. The web
page suggests a desire by Saunders to get his persona "out there" for all
to read. Just like Crit Pro.

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Amit
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13 September 2004, 17:12 UTC #8

Al James <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
A few signs point that way.
what signs point to BFD ?

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CowPunk
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13 September 2004, 17:45 UTC #9

I think it's Mike Creed...

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Steve
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13 September 2004, 17:49 UTC #10

On 9/13/04 10:45 AM, in article
[email hidden], "CowPunk"
Quoted message said:
I think it's Mike Creed...
Old or New??

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Ryan Barrett
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13 September 2004, 18:44 UTC #11

Not a chance... I think it is Kurgan.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
A few signs point that way.
1. Crit Pro's RBR headers are stamped by Google groups as originating in
the Pacific time zone. Saunders (http://eriksaunders.com) lives and
trains in Twentynine Palms, Calif., also in the Pacific time zone.
2. Crit Pro refers to www.stolenunderground.com in his anti-doping posts.
Stolenunderground is the first link on Saunders' web page on his "Links"
page.
3. Language and style. Saunders' web page makes heavy use of "three-dot"
sentence structure with few capital letters. Crit Pro rarely uses 3-dot
but often drops the capital letters. The writing style (direct, staccato,
blunt with some profanity) of Crit Pro and Saunders are fairly similar.
4. Crit Pro claimed to be in Downers Grove for the crit championship.
Saunders raced there.
5. Crit Pro claimed to be at T-Mobile Int'l today, but his time stamp for
his newsgroup post the same day at 5 pm is too soon for Saunders to make
it back to 29 Palms, only 2.5 hours after the race concluded. Crit Pro
claimed to DNF. Interestingly, Saunders' name is not in the T-Mobile race
results, not even as a DNF; this would suggest that Saunders never left
SoCal. Or, he used a laptop and T-Mobile's results list wrongly omitted
Saunders' DNF.
6. Most riders don't publish web sites the way Saunders does. There are
some, yes, but Saunders' is unique with its in your face style. The web
page suggests a desire by Saunders to get his persona "out there" for all
to read. Just like Crit Pro.

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erik saunders
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13 September 2004, 18:50 UTC #12

please... i sign my [censored]... crit pro will never be me... i own all my own
assenine commentary... in fact, i take it as a matter of pride!...

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omc
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13 September 2004, 19:19 UTC #13

[quote="Steve"]On 9/13/04 10:45 AM, in article
[email hidden], "CowPunk"
Quoted message said:
I think it's Mike Creed...

Sorry.......but wrong....he hates crits.......and a good majority of critpro's were posted while mike was racing in europe at the same time....not possible.

"OMC"

Always...always right !

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omc
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13 September 2004, 19:22 UTC #14

Steve said:
On 9/13/04 10:45 AM, in article
[email hidden], "CowPunk"
Quoted message said:
I think it's Mike Creed...
Old or New??
OldMC ?........Not me and not the kid either
OMC

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TritonRider
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13 September 2004, 20:36 UTC #15

Quoted message said:
From: [email hidden] (erik saunders)
Quoted message said:
please... i sign my [censored]... crit pro will never be me... i own all my own
assenine commentary... in fact, i take it as a matter of pride!...
No way it's Erik or Mike. They both say it up front and make sure you know who
it is. Erik would need to get a lobotomy to be CritPro and Mike would need
some work too.
Bill C

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Benjamin Weiner
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13 September 2004, 20:48 UTC #16

Al James said:
1. Crit Pro's RBR headers are stamped by Google groups as originating in
the Pacific time zone. Saunders (http://eriksaunders.com) lives and
trains in Twentynine Palms, Calif., also in the Pacific time zone.
Him and forty million other people
Quoted message said:
2. Crit Pro refers to www.stolenunderground.com in his anti-doping posts.
Stolenunderground is the first link on Saunders' web page on his "Links"
page.
I think Saunders dropped a reference to stolenunderground.com in RBR
before crit pro ever showed up.
Quoted message said:
5. Crit Pro claimed to be at T-Mobile Int'l today, but his time stamp for
his newsgroup post the same day at 5 pm is too soon for Saunders to make
it back to 29 Palms, only 2.5 hours after the race concluded. Crit Pro
claimed to DNF. Interestingly, Saunders' name is not in the T-Mobile race
results, not even as a DNF; this would suggest that Saunders never left
SoCal. Or, he used a laptop and T-Mobile's results list wrongly omitted
Saunders' DNF.
Interesting that you list this numbered among your points of evidence,
since it seems to contradict the idea.
Saunders wasn't at T-Mobile - the start list was not final. There are
eight other Ofotos on the results list, Zack Walker is the eighth one
who wasn't on the startlist.
Sorry, you have to retake Internet Stalking 101 before you can
get your degree!
Quoted message said:
6. Most riders don't publish web sites the way Saunders does. There are
some, yes, but Saunders' is unique with its in your face style. The web
page suggests a desire by Saunders to get his persona "out there" for all
to read. Just like Crit Pro.
Huh, actually it says to me that he is willing to attach his name when
he gets in your face.

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Horse DeLay
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13 September 2004, 21:44 UTC #17

Clue, misdirection, or just a random comment?
http://groups.google.com/groups?start=150&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=rec.bicycles.racing&selm=a2431ce4.0409052251.16251f0e%40posting.google.com

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TritonRider
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13 September 2004, 22:58 UTC #18

Quoted message said:
From: [email hidden] (Tom Arsenault)
Date: 9/13/2004 8:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Quoted message said:
He's not the type of person to hide behind
a fake name and handle, and aside from that, he posts on RBR all of
the time, well, not all of the time, but often enough.
Tom
The only thing I disagree with is that I think we could use more Erik around
here.
Bill C

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erik saunders
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13 September 2004, 23:53 UTC #19

i always thought that crit pro was dangerous dave... he is a quiet guy, but
with a big sense of humor, and it seems like crit pro would be a perfect
persona that he could "strap on" to screw some top guys names... but now i dont
think that anymore...

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DanSchmatz
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14 September 2004, 00:07 UTC #20

Come on waddel.... You know who it is, spill it.

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