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Sheesh, take it easy & rest up! Did you obtain driver details etc?

Finally used the AirZound2 on a alighting VW driver on Saturday. Could see it coming from 2-3m's away, but couldn't swerve out due to heavy traffic. Drivers head turned away from traffic, gabble gabble gabble to passenger, fling out door without even a passing look.......TTTTOOOOOOOOOOTTTTT!!! Ah, don't wish to frighten people unduly, but jeez that AirZound was money well spent.... :p

Dej said:

i thought flouro yellow was a visible colour to wear?🙂
not according to the woman who drove from a sidestreet right in front of me,
leaving me with about .5m to brake before running into the front quarter

they have to look at you for the colour to make a difference, and since a car won't be right next to the curb they don't look there. My feeling is to be seen from the sidestreet I need to be closer to the centreline than I am to the curb.

"aeek" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Dej said:

i thought flouro yellow was a visible colour to wear?🙂
not according to the woman who drove from a sidestreet right in front
of me,
leaving me with about .5m to brake before running into the front
quarter

they have to look at you for the colour to make a difference, and since
a car won't be right next to the curb they don't look there. My feeling
is to be seen from the sidestreet I need to be closer to the centreline
than I am to the curb.

Very common incident.. happens a lot on my
commutes (not the crashing part thankfully).
Doesn't seem to matter if it's daylight or night
or how bright my setup is. You just have to
watch the front wheel of those side-street cars
like a hawk and be ready to bail/stop/swerve if
it moves towards you.
Pity you had to go all the way and mess up
yourself and the bike 🙁
As long as you are in good nick that's what
matters. Driver going to pay for damage?

hippy

hippy said:

Very common incident.. happens a lot on my
commutes (not the crashing part thankfully).
Doesn't seem to matter if it's daylight or night
or how bright my setup is. You just have to
watch the front wheel of those side-street cars
like a hawk and be ready to bail/stop/swerve if
it moves towards you.
hippy

I agree. drivers in general just arent in the habit of looking at that part of the road. goes something like...

Pull up to intersection. look left at place where approaching car will be if i need to give way to it. No car in THAT spot. Pull out.

I often raise my lights or wave my arm to get the attention of a driver sitting looking to pullout just to make sure they register my presence...

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Sheesh, take it easy & rest up! Did you obtain driver details etc?

Finally used the AirZound2 on a alighting VW driver on Saturday. Could
see it coming from 2-3m's away, but couldn't swerve out due to heavy
traffic. Drivers head turned away from traffic, gabble gabble gabble
to passenger, fling out door without even a passing
look.......TTTTOOOOOOOOOOTTTTT!!! Ah, don't wish to frighten people
unduly, but jeez that AirZound was money well spent.... :p

Ah, another convert. :-)

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Finally used the AirZound2 on a alighting VW driver on Saturday. Could
see it coming from 2-3m's away, but couldn't swerve out due to heavy

Ah, another convert. :-)

coming up behind the blazered schoolboys, 3 bells - no reaction, airzound3 - no reaction, so when I reached the schoolgirls I just said "BIKE".

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i thought flouro yellow was a visible colour to wear?🙂
not according to the woman who drove from a sidestreet right in front of
me, leaving me with about .5m to brake before running into the front
quarter panel and then doing a 70's cop impersination sliding across the
bonnet (before a not so stuntman like landing on the road).
banged up the hip and elbow, the handlebars needed straightening (wheel
wasnt bent, just the stem got a bit loose)
And somehow, a couple of spokes on the back wheel lost all tension. The
wheel is still straight so im not sure how that happened.

I had a ride to sorrento planned this wednesday too🙁 hopefully the hip &
elbow wont be too sore tomorrow though i imagine it wont feel too great..

Glad to hear your'e still with us and not too badly injured.. The bonnet
was probably a good option take cos at least you caught her attention and
she had to stop. Had you chosen to move to the right you would have put
yourself in the path of her wheels - not so good.

btw. When you get your wheel fixed also get your frame checked out by your
LBS to make sure it's still straight and free of any other invisible life
threatening damage this incident may have caused.

Geoff

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Dej said:

i thought flouro yellow was a visible colour to wear?🙂
not according to the woman who drove from a sidestreet right in front
of me,
leaving me with about .5m to brake before running into the front
quarter

they have to look at you for the colour to make a difference, and since
a car won't be right next to the curb they don't look there. My feeling
is to be seen from the sidestreet I need to be closer to the centreline
than I am to the curb.

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aeek

I absolutely agree with you there regarding riding closer to the centreline
or centre of your lane. It definately makes a difference to your visibility
in city traffic if you are actually riding as part of the traffic and not
some lower form of life that feels compelled to ride along almost in the
gutter or right up against the doors of parked cars.

Riding as part of the traffic works well until someone decides that a bike
lane HAS to be installed. The upshot of this is all bikes, by law, are
pushed toward the curb placing them at the mercy of drivers entering from
sidestreets who have no idea what a Stop or Giveway sign is let alone the
purpose of that big white line painted on the road in front of them is.
Most don't even know to look for an approaching vehicle that close to the
curb before pulling out quite simply because they don't even consider the
possibility of a small human powered vehicle might actually be traveling in
the designated bike lane. You guys and gals out there on your bents how do
you stay alive???

My opinion is place yourself in a position on the road where you are safe
and can maximise your visibility to others (even if in some instances that
means not using the marked bicycle lanes). When in traffic ride defensively
and try to have a way out if things suddenly go pear shaped.

Geoff

Geoff said:

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Dej said:

i thought flouro yellow was a visible colour to wear?🙂
not according to the woman who drove from a sidestreet right in front
of me,
leaving me with about .5m to brake before running into the front
quarter

they have to look at you for the colour to make a difference, and since
a car won't be right next to the curb they don't look there. My feeling
is to be seen from the sidestreet I need to be closer to the centreline
than I am to the curb.

--
aeek

I absolutely agree with you there regarding riding closer to the centreline
or centre of your lane. It definately makes a difference to your visibility
in city traffic if you are actually riding as part of the traffic and not
some lower form of life that feels compelled to ride along almost in the
gutter or right up against the doors of parked cars.

Riding as part of the traffic works well until someone decides that a bike
lane HAS to be installed. The upshot of this is all bikes, by law, are
pushed toward the curb placing them at the mercy of drivers entering from
sidestreets who have no idea what a Stop or Giveway sign is let alone the
purpose of that big white line painted on the road in front of them is.
Most don't even know to look for an approaching vehicle that close to the
curb before pulling out quite simply because they don't even consider the
possibility of a small human powered vehicle might actually be traveling in
the designated bike lane. You guys and gals out there on your bents how do
you stay alive???

My opinion is place yourself in a position on the road where you are safe
and can maximise your visibility to others (even if in some instances that
means not using the marked bicycle lanes). When in traffic ride defensively
and try to have a way out if things suddenly go pear shaped.

Geoff

We all know the fun of a driver who "cant see" and share the pain Ice it up get some nice massage done to it and have a gret rest then ride like the wind.

On the road rules regarding Cycles
241. Travelling in or on a wheeled recreational device or toy on a road
(1) A person travelling in or on a wheeled recreational device or wheeled toy on a
road—
(a) must keep as far to the left side of the road as is practicable; and
(b) must not travel alongside more than 1 other pedestrian or vehicle travelling on
the road in the same direction as the person, unless the person is overtaking
other pedestrians.
Penalty: 1 penalty unit.
(2) In this rule—
road does not include a road related area, but, in subrule (1)(b), includes any shoulder
of the road.
Note Road related area is defined in rule 13, and shoulder is defined in rule 12.

So as it says keep as far left as you feel safe, if thats close to the center lane at an intersection you can use this in defence...

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Geoff said:

"aeek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Dej Wrote:
> i thought flouro yellow was a visible colour to wear?🙂
> not according to the woman who drove from a sidestreet right in

front

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> of me,
> leaving me with about .5m to brake before running into the front
> quarter
>

they have to look at you for the colour to make a difference, and

since

Quoted message said:

a car won't be right next to the curb they don't look there. My

feeling

Quoted message said:

is to be seen from the sidestreet I need to be closer to the

centreline

Quoted message said:

than I am to the curb.

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aeek

I absolutely agree with you there regarding riding closer to the
centreline
or centre of your lane. It definately makes a difference to your
visibility
in city traffic if you are actually riding as part of the traffic and
not
some lower form of life that feels compelled to ride along almost in
the
gutter or right up against the doors of parked cars.

Riding as part of the traffic works well until someone decides that a
bike
lane HAS to be installed. The upshot of this is all bikes, by law,
are
pushed toward the curb placing them at the mercy of drivers entering
from
sidestreets who have no idea what a Stop or Giveway sign is let alone
the
purpose of that big white line painted on the road in front of them
is.
Most don't even know to look for an approaching vehicle that close to
the
curb before pulling out quite simply because they don't even consider
the
possibility of a small human powered vehicle might actually be
traveling in
the designated bike lane. You guys and gals out there on your bents
how do
you stay alive???

My opinion is place yourself in a position on the road where you are
safe
and can maximise your visibility to others (even if in some instances
that
means not using the marked bicycle lanes). When in traffic ride
defensively
and try to have a way out if things suddenly go pear shaped.

Geoff

We all know the fun of a driver who "cant see" and share the pain Ice
it up get some nice massage done to it and have a gret rest then ride
like the wind.

On the road rules regarding Cycles
241. Travelling in or on a wheeled recreational device or toy on a
road
(1) A person travelling in or on a wheeled recreational device or
wheeled toy on a
road-
(a) must keep as far to the left side of the road as is practicable;
and
(b) must not travel alongside more than 1 other pedestrian or vehicle
travelling on
the road in the same direction as the person, unless the person is
overtaking
other pedestrians.
Penalty: 1 penalty unit.
(2) In this rule-
road does not include a road related area, but, in subrule (1)(b),
includes any shoulder
of the road.
Note Road related area is defined in rule 13, and shoulder is defined
in rule 12.

So as it says keep as far left as you feel safe, if thats close to the
center lane at an intersection you can use this in defence...

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Torgo

Torgo,

I'm not sure where you are from but here in Victoria Australia our bicycles
are considered to be vehicles NOT wheeled toys or recreational devices.

The following are definitions of Bicycle (specific) and Vehicle (broad) as
they defined by Victorian Legislation.

What is a bicycle?
Under the road rules, a bicycle is a vehicle that has one or more wheels
that is built to be propelled by human power through a belt, chain or gears
(whether or not it has an auxiliary motor).
Under the road rules, pedicabs, penny farthings, scooters, tricycles and
unicycles are all considered to be bicycles.
Bicycles may be fitted with an auxiliary motor, provided the motor is not
capable of generating a power output of over 200 watts.
Wheelchairs, wheeled recreational devices, wheeled toys and any vehicle with
an auxiliary motor capable of generating a power output of over 200 watts
(whether or not the motor is operating) are not considered to be bicycles.

What is a vehicle
(1) A vehicle is a conveyance that is designed to be propelled or drawn by
any means,
whether or not capable of being so propelled or drawn, and includes-
(a) a motor vehicle, trailer and tram; and
(b) a bicycle; and
(c) an air-cushion vehicle-
but does not include a train.

Source www.vicroads.vic.gov.au

In short, where I live bikes have the same right to be on the road as any
other vehicle and are subject to the same roadlaws. Bikes even have a few
extra privileges that other vehicles don't. ;-)

Geoff

Torgo said:

We all know the fun of a driver who "cant see" and share the pain Ice it up get some nice massage done to it and have a gret rest then ride like the wind.

On the road rules regarding Cycles
241. Travelling in or on a wheeled recreational device or toy on a road

Wrong clause, bicycles are bicycles NOT wheeled recreational devices/toys.

247 Riding in a bicycle lane on a road
(1) The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road with a bicycle
lane designed for bicycles travelling in the same direction as
the rider must ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable
to do so.
Offence provision.
Note Rule 153 defines a bicycle lane and deals with the use of bicycle
lanes by other vehicles.
(2) In this rule:
road does not include a road-related area.
Note Road-related area includes the shoulder of a road — see rule 13.

ODD, so the bikelane is on the shoulder you DO NOT HAVE TO USE IT???

"aeek" <[email hidden]

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247 Riding in a bicycle lane on a road
(1) The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road with a bicycle
lane designed for bicycles travelling in the same direction as
the rider must ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable
to do so.

What can be considered "impracticable"? i.e. lets say I
choose the road rather than a bikelane - can I argue that
I felt the road was the safer option?

What is the penalty for using the road and not a bikelane?

hippy

In aus.bicycle on Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:28:01 GMT

hippy said:

"aeek" <[email hidden]

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247 Riding in a bicycle lane on a road
(1) The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road with a bicycle
lane designed for bicycles travelling in the same direction as
the rider must ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable
to do so.

What can be considered "impracticable"? i.e. lets say I
choose the road rather than a bikelane - can I argue that
I felt the road was the safer option?

Going to depend on a lot of factors. Before motorcycles were exempted
from the "keep as far left as practicable" rule, courts were very
inconsistent as to how they viewed safety arguments.

If the lane is blocked, or has glass on it, then it's not practical to
ride a pushbike there. If it's just "I feel safer", then be prepared to
have lots of stats and quotes to back that up.

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What is the penalty for using the road and not a bikelane?

Go on, google for it. Never know what you might learn...

Zebee

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hippy said:

"aeek" <[email hidden]

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247 Riding in a bicycle lane on a road
(1) The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road with a bicycle
lane designed for bicycles travelling in the same direction as
the rider must ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable
to do so.

What can be considered "impracticable"? i.e. lets say I
choose the road rather than a bikelane - can I argue that
I felt the road was the safer option?

Going to depend on a lot of factors. Before motorcycles were exempted
from the "keep as far left as practicable" rule, courts were very
inconsistent as to how they viewed safety arguments.

If the lane is blocked, or has glass on it, then it's not practical to
ride a pushbike there. If it's just "I feel safer", then be prepared to
have lots of stats and quotes to back that up.

How am I going to know about the glass unless I
ride in it? If I have to obey road rules like cars - why
am I then forced into a bikelane?

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Quoted message said:

What is the penalty for using the road and not a bikelane?

Go on, google for it. Never know what you might learn...

Nah, my machine has reached its limit for open browser windows.. ;-)
Besides, all those posters quoting the rules should already have the
..pdf's sitting on their computers somewhere.. :-P

1 penalty unit = $110 !! $110 for riding on the road and
not a bike lane?! How is that the same level of offence as
speeding? Time to think of some excuses..

hippy

aeek said:

Wrong clause, bicycles are bicycles NOT wheeled recreational devices/toys.

247 Riding in a bicycle lane on a road
(1) The rider of a bicycle riding on a length of road with a bicycle
lane designed for bicycles travelling in the same direction as
the rider must ride in the bicycle lane unless it is impracticable
to do so.
Offence provision.
Note Rule 153 defines a bicycle lane and deals with the use of bicycle
lanes by other vehicles.
(2) In this rule:
road does not include a road-related area.
Note Road-related area includes the shoulder of a road — see rule 13.

ODD, so the bikelane is on the shoulder you DO NOT HAVE TO USE IT???

My mistake, coppied the wrong one sorry.

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:03:33 GMT, "hippy" <[email hidden]>

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If the lane is blocked, or has glass on it, then it's not practical to
ride a pushbike there. If it's just "I feel safer", then be prepared to
have lots of stats and quotes to back that up.

How am I going to know about the glass unless I
ride in it? If I have to obey road rules like cars - why
am I then forced into a bikelane?

I never use the bike lane on the first half of Kerferd Rd heading
towards the beach. There are remnants of bluestone kerbs every now and
then that are not safe to ride across on a road bike. The angle-parked
cars on the inside back out unpredictably. I've been punctured by
glass shards every time I've used it. In my judgment, it's not safe.

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Quoted message said:

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What is the penalty for using the road and not a bikelane?

Go on, google for it. Never know what you might learn...

Nah, my machine has reached its limit for open browser windows.. ;-)
Besides, all those posters quoting the rules should already have the
.pdf's sitting on their computers somewhere.. :-P

Get yourself Firefox.

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1 penalty unit = $110 !! $110 for riding on the road and
not a bike lane?! How is that the same level of offence as
speeding? Time to think of some excuses..

See above. Plus, I was trying to keep out of the way of the
pedestrians/open car doors/double parkers that make it unsafe.

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Regards.
Richard.

Note Rule 153 defines a bicycle lane and deals with the use of bicycle
lanes by other vehicles.
Hi Aeek do you know if motor bikes are allowed to zoom up bike lanes to get to front of idle traffic?
lve had a mighty fright with m/bikes weaving in +out of bike lanes :eek:

Meeba said:

Note Rule 153 defines a bicycle lane and deals with the use of bicycle
lanes by other vehicles.
Hi Aeek do you know if motor bikes are allowed to zoom up bike lanes to get to front of idle traffic?
lve had a mighty fright with m/bikes weaving in +out of bike lanes :eek:

any vehicle can use 50m of a bike lane (or 100m of a bus lane) for the purposes of turning left, but otherwise no, motorbikes aren't supposed to and they don't get the overtake on the left rule either.

aeek said:

any vehicle can use 50m of a bike lane (or 100m of a bus lane) for the purposes of turning left, but otherwise no, motorbikes aren't supposed to and they don't get the overtake on the left rule either.

apparenly that has just been changed to 100m in bike lanes too