Ti Frame Manufacturers?

Guy F. Anderson Sr. said:

(My Google search of the archives failed to provide info more recent
than '02, so please forgive if this has been beaten to death lately.)

By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.

Habanero probably meets the latter spec best, of those that I've seen
information about.
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Guy F. Anderson Sr. said:

(My Google search of the archives failed to provide info more recent
than '02, so please forgive if this has been beaten to death lately.)

By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.

Seven, Serotta, and Merlin (the latter actually owned by Litespeed) come
to mind. Seven builds their frames in Watertown, MA; Litespeed and
Merlin in Tennessee somewhere; I'm not sure about Serotta. Airborne is
another manufacturer.

If you want best bang for your buck, though, why are you looking at Ti
in the first place? Why not get a high-quality, lightweight steel frame
for less?

Dave

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:58:56 -0400, Dave Stallard

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If you want best bang for your buck, though, why are you looking at Ti
in the first place? Why not get a high-quality, lightweight steel frame
for less?

For the following reasons:

Ti = 1. No rust (I have extremely corrosive perspiration)
2. No paint to chip and scrape.
3. I already own a high-quality, lightweight steel frame
(Pinarello Treviso)

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(My Google search of the archives failed to provide info more recent
than '02, so please forgive if this has been beaten to death lately.)

By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.

Thanks!

Try http://www.xacd.com.cn/

Marty

Guy F. Anderson Sr. said:

For the following reasons:

Ti = 1. No rust (I have extremely corrosive perspiration)
2. No paint to chip and scrape.
3. I already own a high-quality, lightweight steel frame
(Pinarello Treviso)

OK. Just thought of a couple more: Moots, and Independent Fabrications
in Somerville, MA (the Ti Crown Jewel). Lots of choices. The only
thought I would have is that if you go for a more budget Ti frame, you
might wind up feeling disappointed with it relative to your Pinarello.
Or not, who knows?

BUT: You're saying that your SWEAT makes your bike rust? Holy cow. And
I thought my sweat was bad because it stings my eyes...

Dave

Do you wash your bike? That should take care of the whole sweat causing
rust deal.

Just a thought and it's way cheaper than buying Ti.

Jon

Guy F. Anderson Sr. said:

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:58:56 -0400, Dave Stallard

stallard@bbn_no_.com_spam said:

If you want best bang for your buck, though, why are you looking at Ti
in the first place? Why not get a high-quality, lightweight steel frame
for less?

For the following reasons:

Ti = 1. No rust (I have extremely corrosive perspiration)
2. No paint to chip and scrape.
3. I already own a high-quality, lightweight steel frame
(Pinarello Treviso)

Quoted message said:

By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.

Thanks!

Couple more: Best bang for the buck category:

http://www.titaniumsports.com/frames.html
www.airborne.net

RE/

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The archives contain
conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.

I got one from SevenCycles.

A relative who is into custom car and 4-wheeler fabrication zeroed in on the
Seven's welds and was impressed....he just went on-and-on about how great they
were and how hard it was to get something that perfect.

From my limited encounter, I'd say Seven's strength is their reluctance (for
whatever reason....) to alter a proven design. Basically, they fine-tuned
my non-standare bod into something (also non-standard...) that they knew would
work by altering saddle position and stem length.

Clearly this CB viewed as a weakness or a strength depending on one's
perspective/situation.

For me, it was a strength.

I didn't like it at first, but in the end they saved me from my own cockamine
notions.

Bang for the buck? If you're comparing two frames in which you know precisely
what you want dimension/angle-wise I'd venture that Seven isn't even in the
running.

OTOH, if I had gone for a Seven on day one, I would have avoided taking a bath
of X dollars on a Cannondale Jekyll that didn't even come close to fitting,
spending Y dollars on an Ellsworth ISIS that still didn't fit, and blowing Z
dollars on a custom hardtail that really, *really* didn't work out.

SevenCycles$ < (X$ + Y$ + Z$) ....by a substantial amount.

OTOH if my wife ever finds out I spent enough on a freaking *bicycle frame* to
feed an entire Somalian village for two months; I'm dead meat.
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(My Google search of the archives failed to provide info more recent
than '02, so please forgive if this has been beaten to death lately.)

By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.

Thanks to all who responded--very helpful! And I have decided on Mark
Hickey's Habanero road frame. AAMOF, his prices on built bikes are so
reasonable that I may order one built with Veloce!

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(My Google search of the archives failed to provide info more recent
than '02, so please forgive if this has been beaten to death lately.)

By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.

Thanks to all who responded--very helpful! And I have decided on Mark
Hickey's Habanero road frame. AAMOF, his prices on built bikes are so
reasonable that I may order one built with Veloce!

Careful -- they have a tendency to veer to the right. ;-)

Seriously, I've seen (but never ridden) a Habanero, and I bought an
Airborne. The Habanero looked like a well-made frame. I bought the
Airborne only because I thought it looked as well-made, the geometry
suited my short legs/long torso, and I got it for $200 less.

Rick

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(My Google search of the archives failed to provide info more recent
than '02, so please forgive if this has been beaten to death lately.)

By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.

Thanks!

Hi guy, Since you mention you have a Pinarello, I assume you must
have an eye for quality. There's a very good frame builder that
builds Ti frames called Davidson Bikes. They may not meet your "Bang
for the Buck" criteria, but certainly build extremely high quality
frames made to order any way you want them. Sometimes it's best to
spend slightly more, and get first class quality, with folks that
completely stand behind what they sell you. The "Bang for the Buck"
may come with many compromises for your money spent? Ultimately, a
person will get what they can afford, and have an affinity (Itch) for.

I have no affiliation with the company, never owned a Davidson (But
would love to!) and I do chat with it's owner, and they're really nice
folks that know thier stuff! Mark D.

Dave Stallard said:

OK. Just thought of a couple more: Moots, and Independent Fabrications
in Somerville, MA (the Ti Crown Jewel). Lots of choices. The only
thought I would have is that if you go for a more budget Ti frame, you
might wind up feeling disappointed with it relative to your Pinarello.
Or not, who knows?

Also Guru Bikes. They're supposed to be hot. The boutique racing bike
store on the corner near me is carrying them, FWIW.

Dave

Guy F. Anderson Sr. said:

Thanks to all who responded--very helpful! And I have decided on Mark
Hickey's Habanero road frame. AAMOF, his prices on built bikes are so
reasonable that I may order one built with Veloce!

Unless your idea of impressing your friends is caught up in the price tag
of the darn thing, I think you'll be happy with the Habanero. I've had
one for 2 or 3 years now, and think it's great. The welds are very nice,
the prep of the frame was flawless, and it rides very nicely. True, not
as light as frames costing several thousand dollars more, but the
difference is way up there in terms of the $/g scale. I know a guy who
bought a polished Lightspeed; the excess cost to get it polished (as
opposed to brushed) was roughly the cost of my frame. Also, he hates the
polished finish, since it shows fingerprints.

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Guy F. Anderson Sr. said:

By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.

If I had enough money DeRosa Titanio x.s. 6,4 Ti would be my no.1 choice
http://www.derosanews.com/index.php

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(My Google search of the archives failed to provide info more recent
than '02, so please forgive if this has been beaten to death lately.)

By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.

Thanks!

Try http://www.xacd.com.cn/

Marty

I second Marty's suggestion. You can see one at:
http://www.andreyo.com/_wsn/page2.html

If you have any questions, dont hesitate to holler.

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(My Google search of the archives failed to provide info more recent
than '02, so please forgive if this has been beaten to death lately.)

By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.

Thanks!

Try http://www.xacd.com.cn/

Marty

I second Marty's suggestion. You can see one at:
http://www.andreyo.com/_wsn/page2.html

If you have any questions, dont hesitate to holler.

Alternatively, at today's T-Mobile International, I saw a new ti builder -
Nelson's Titanium Bikes. His 2.8lb road frames starts at $1200 and he's in
San Francisco. For contact info, go here:

http://www.ntpbikes.com

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(My Google search of the archives failed to provide info more recent
than '02, so please forgive if this has been beaten to death lately.)

By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.

Thanks!

Try http://www.xacd.com.cn/

Marty

I second Marty's suggestion. You can see one at:
http://www.andreyo.com/_wsn/page2.html

If you have any questions, dont hesitate to holler.

Yeah, what was the ordering process?

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>(My Google search of the archives failed to provide info more recent
>than '02, so please forgive if this has been beaten to death lately.)
>
>By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
>conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
>am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.
>
>Thanks!

Try http://www.xacd.com.cn/

Marty

I second Marty's suggestion. You can see one at:
http://www.andreyo.com/_wsn/page2.html

If you have any questions, dont hesitate to holler.

Yeah, what was the ordering process?

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You have to wire money to them.

Marty

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>>(My Google search of the archives failed to provide info more recent
>>than '02, so please forgive if this has been beaten to death lately.)
>>
>>By whom and where are titanium frame sets built? The archives contain
>>conflicting info about Litespeed, Macalu, Douglas, Habanero, etc. I
>>am also open to opinions re the Best-Bang-forthe Buck titanium frames.
>>
>>Thanks!
>
>Try http://www.xacd.com.cn/
>
>Marty

I second Marty's suggestion. You can see one at:
http://www.andreyo.com/_wsn/page2.html

If you have any questions, dont hesitate to holler.

Yeah, what was the ordering process?

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You have to wire money to them.

You just emailed them to get the ball rolling? How
long did it take for your frame to arrive?

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