"Wrong-Way Fred Gets Dead"

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It might work in your town/city, but a cute phrase round here (Nashville)
will just get you branded as a wierdo.

Being an adult riding a bike for transportation, by choice, pretty much
takes care of that around here.

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Full on confrontation seems to work
better.

Too many guns.

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Let's just say I haven't had to confront the same cyclist twice. Perhaps
that's luck, or maybe I'm making a difference. Most likely I'm on my way
to get my ass kicked...but they'll have to catch me first.

Faster than a speeding bullet, are you?

RichC

Rich Clark said:

Faster than a speeding bullet, are you?

RichC

Nope, and I'll show you the nifty scars where I got 75 stiches in my head
from being run over by a motorist the next time you come and visit.

😄

maxo said:

Rich Clark said:

And all this is why I've chosen to reduce it all to "wrong-way Fred gets
dead." Much better satisfaction/hassle ratio.

RichC

I'm not concerned about smug satisfaction--I'm concerned about safety. I
don't shout at everybody, but I make sure to lay into those that I
do--well I don't lay into them until they start acting like [censored]. 😄

It might work in your town/city, but a cute phrase round here (Nashville)
will just get you branded as a wierdo. Full on confrontation seems to work
better.

Would playing chicken qualify as confrontation? I usually just wobble
back and forth generally toward them and look frightened until they
freak out and run to the curb or, for lack of intelligence, dodge around
me by heading into the oncoming traffic.

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Let's just say I haven't had to confront the same cyclist twice. Perhaps
that's luck, or maybe I'm making a difference. Most likely I'm on my way
to get my ass kicked...but they'll have to catch me first. 😄

That's the great thing about bicycles.

Collin said:

Would playing chicken qualify as confrontation? I usually just wobble
back and forth generally toward them and look frightened until they freak
out and run to the curb or, for lack of intelligence, dodge around me by
heading into the oncoming traffic.

Oh, you're even meaner than me! LOL Sounds fair enough.
Road rash can teach stupid people the most necessary of lessons.

😄

maxo said:

Collin said:

Would playing chicken qualify as confrontation? I usually just wobble
back and forth generally toward them and look frightened until they freak
out and run to the curb or, for lack of intelligence, dodge around me by
heading into the oncoming traffic.

Oh, you're even meaner than me! LOL Sounds fair enough.
Road rash can teach stupid people the most necessary of lessons.

wrong-way rider #1: OW!
wrong-way rider #2: Are you okay?
#1: Yeah. If that yahoo coming the other way had gotten out of the
way, I wouldn't have had to jump in front of that Hummer!
#2: What an idiot. Didn't anyone ever tell him that cyclists are
supposed to be on OUR side of the street?

-Luigi

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mike Beauchamp said:

Glad to see a Trailer Park Boys fan on this NG! And yeah.. the Raveen /
Patrick Swayze bit is still funny. I find the funniest one is in the
pilot/movie when they are sitting in the car.. it goes on for 10 solid
minutes.

Another sequence I like is the one where Ricky just got
out of jail and was heading home; he goes into the convenience
store and says something to the effect of: "Okay, I need some
stuff. So you can either just fuggin' give it to me, or I can
rob ya. It's your choice."

It was kinda heartbreaking when his daughter, Trinity, stole
the tire to be like her dad.

Cory & Trevor could be in a spin-off.

cheers,
Tom

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HardwareLust:

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It's a waste of breath. Those guys are too dumb to realize how dangerous
their behaviour really is. Hopefully, Darwin will take care of those

folks

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before they reproduce, but I'm not holding my breath.

Good idea to not hold your breath. I've seen more then one wrong-way dad
teaching his kid to ride that way. 🙁

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I've seen more then one wrong-way dad teaching his kid
to ride that way. 🙁

"Wrong-Way Dad Is Bad"

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[email hidden] (Tom Keats) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Rich Clark said:

I call this out to wrong-way riders as I pass them.

Here in Canada, we have a perennial hypnotist/entertainer
named Reveen. He has distinctive sideburns and a goatee.

We also have a TV series (sort of a Canadian 'Coronation Street'😉
called 'Trailer Park Boys', in which one of the characters, Ricky,
looks a little like Reveen. In one sequence, some BMX punks ride
by, taunting him and calling-out: "Hey, Reveen!" He chides back:
"I'll Reveen you, ya f***in' little [censored]!" They respond with:
"F*** off, Reveen!" as they ride off into the distance.

Yelling at people generally doesn't get anything done. Except
maybe on 'American Chopper'.

cheers,
Tom

Gawd, is Reveen still on the circuit? I saw him back in about 1976 in
Fort MacMurray. Seemed like everyone in town showed up for his
"performance". Of course, there was little else to do there
entertainment-wise, with one single screen theater and two or three
television channels...

I'm always tempted to yell "GET OFF THE [censored]*NG SIDEWALK!!" when I am
driving and see someone riding on it. Sort of a counterpoint the the
"GET OFF THE STREET!" that some morons yell...

Jonathan

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(Jonathan Quist) said:

Gawd, is Reveen still on the circuit?

I don't think so. Here's some blast-from-the-past pix of him
(commercial site):
http://walker-entertainment.20megsfree.com/photo.html

And here's Ricky, et al:
http://www.showcase.ca/trailerparkboys/about/

Quoted message said:

I'm always tempted to yell "GET OFF THE [censored]*NG SIDEWALK!!" when I am
driving and see someone riding on it. Sort of a counterpoint the the
"GET OFF THE STREET!" that some morons yell...

Truth be told, I hate yelling. It just seems like
too much effort for so little gain. And it puts a
hurt on my ears.

cheers,
Tom

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On 11 Jul 2004 17:27:15 -0700, [email hidden] (Jonathan Quist)

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I'm always tempted to yell "GET OFF THE [censored]*NG SIDEWALK!!" when I am
driving and see someone riding on it. Sort of a counterpoint the the
"GET OFF THE STREET!" that some morons yell...

Jonathan

Don't hollar at me, we have double wide sidewalks here with bike path
signs and easy ramps and divider lines painted on 'em.

-B

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:14:49 -0400, Badger_South <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On 11 Jul 2004 17:27:15 -0700, [email hidden] (Jonathan Quist)

Quoted message said:

I'm always tempted to yell "GET OFF THE [censored]*NG SIDEWALK!!" when I am
driving and see someone riding on it. Sort of a counterpoint the the
"GET OFF THE STREET!" that some morons yell...

Jonathan

Don't hollar at me, we have double wide sidewalks here with bike path
signs and easy ramps and divider lines painted on 'em.

Where are you? I seem to remember you're in Charlottesville, Va?

Man it's been a while since I've been to Cville, obviously (if I
remember right)

I remember there were bike lanes painted on the *road* on JPA and JPA
extension (I think? My directions are always muddled when I go visit
my friends there). Any rate its' down by the hospital & behind
Cabell Hall. But doublewide sidewalks??

I don't know how I feel about the whole bicycle segregation thing.
Separate but equal often isn't in America....and I like riding on the
road too much to give the yahoos any reason to shout me off the road.

-Luigi

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-B

Luigi de Guzman said:

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:14:49 -0400, Badger_South <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On 11 Jul 2004 17:27:15 -0700, [email hidden] (Jonathan Quist)

Quoted message said:

I'm always tempted to yell "GET OFF THE [censored]*NG SIDEWALK!!" when I am
driving and see someone riding on it. Sort of a counterpoint the the
"GET OFF THE STREET!" that some morons yell...

Jonathan

Don't hollar at me, we have double wide sidewalks here with bike path
signs and easy ramps and divider lines painted on 'em.

Where are you? I seem to remember you're in Charlottesville, Va?

Man it's been a while since I've been to Cville, obviously (if I
remember right)

I remember there were bike lanes painted on the *road* on JPA and JPA
extension (I think? My directions are always muddled when I go visit
my friends there). Any rate its' down by the hospital & behind
Cabell Hall. But doublewide sidewalks??

I don't know how I feel about the whole bicycle segregation thing.
Separate but equal often isn't in America....and I like riding on the
road too much to give the yahoos any reason to shout me off the road.

-Luigi

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-B

Hold your line Luigi! It's only your own human will that maintains
your place on the road. Not laws or rules or good manners. Be
assertive and be safe!
Very best regards, Bernie
PS: I am on a Fuji, not a Jamis, but I did use your input.

Luigi de Guzman said:

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:14:49 -0400, Badger_South <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On 11 Jul 2004 17:27:15 -0700, [email hidden] (Jonathan Quist)

Quoted message said:

I'm always tempted to yell "GET OFF THE [censored]*NG SIDEWALK!!" when I am
driving and see someone riding on it. Sort of a counterpoint the the
"GET OFF THE STREET!" that some morons yell...

Jonathan

Don't hollar at me, we have double wide sidewalks here with bike path
signs and easy ramps and divider lines painted on 'em.

Where are you? I seem to remember you're in Charlottesville, Va?

Man it's been a while since I've been to Cville, obviously (if I
remember right)

I remember there were bike lanes painted on the *road* on JPA and JPA
extension (I think? My directions are always muddled when I go visit
my friends there). Any rate its' down by the hospital & behind
Cabell Hall. But doublewide sidewalks??

I don't know how I feel about the whole bicycle segregation thing.
Separate but equal often isn't in America....and I like riding on the
road too much to give the yahoos any reason to shout me off the road.

-Luigi

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-B

Naw, Hookville is not that great for road riding, I'm on vacation in
Va Bch. with "137 miles of bike trails, or extra wide highway
sections, or double wide sidewalks". You can get a cool map detailing
all the routes, which are in segments across the city. We have a bunch
where my brother lives, and a nice, if windy 20 mile route that
incorporates these features. you can get a brochure at the Seashore
park ranger station showing them all if supplies last.

The morons in Cville just took the streets (with on street parking)
and striped a 1/2 width bike lane cutting the width for cars but not
providing enough (really) for the bikes. The city busses cut into them
and trophy wives on cell phones weave into them - it's quite dangerous
in places. IOW the roads are not built for bike trails - they just
striped existing roads, but cut back the standard bike lane width.
(Duh). Go figure.

Used to be a good place to bike when I was doing it back in school
(Uva - CLAS-'72), but now too many cars and SUVs. Even the back
country roads which used to be nice are too dangerous, IMO, b/c nuts
in sports cars and tourists just fly down the center and around
corners and aren't looking. It's nerve wracking to drive 'em, let
alone bike in many of the places I used to ride in the 60s and 70s.

The nice places in Va Bch have super double wide road lanes in a few
places that are just sweet. I like those the best. That's why I'm
here, visiting, plus riding during the TdF. It's all good! ;-D

-B

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 23:01:18 -0700, Bernie <[email hidden]>

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Hold your line Luigi! It's only your own human will that maintains
your place on the road. Not laws or rules or good manners. Be
assertive and be safe!

Heh, heh, helps to be young and immortal, too. When they come out with
a handle-bar mounted matter disrupter and we can just vaporize
oncoming juggernauts and crazed truckers, I'll feel better. ;-D

-B

[email hidden] (Tom Keats) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jonathan Quist) said:

Gawd, is Reveen still on the circuit?

I don't think so. Here's some blast-from-the-past pix of him
(commercial site):
http://walker-entertainment.20megsfree.com/photo.html

And here's Ricky, et al:
http://www.showcase.ca/trailerparkboys/about/

Quoted message said:

I'm always tempted to yell "GET OFF THE [censored]*NG SIDEWALK!!" when I am
driving and see someone riding on it. Sort of a counterpoint the the
"GET OFF THE STREET!" that some morons yell...

Truth be told, I hate yelling. It just seems like
too much effort for so little gain. And it puts a
hurt on my ears.

cheers,
Tom

Well, I'm pretty "confrontationally inhibited" so I wouldn't actually
yell at someone like that, but the impulse is there. And it wouldn't
do any good anyway. The point is a bit to counter-intuitive to get
across that way...

Badger_South <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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On 11 Jul 2004 17:27:15 -0700, [email hidden] (Jonathan Quist)

Quoted message said:

I'm always tempted to yell "GET OFF THE [censored]*NG SIDEWALK!!" when I am
driving and see someone riding on it. Sort of a counterpoint the the
"GET OFF THE STREET!" that some morons yell...

Jonathan

Don't hollar at me, we have double wide sidewalks here with bike path
signs and easy ramps and divider lines painted on 'em.

-B

I wouldn't! (See previous post)

Interesting design idea. Is it very effective at providing any
separation between the walkers and cyclists?

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 23:01:18 -0700, Bernie <[email hidden]>

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Hold your line Luigi! It's only your own human will that maintains
your place on the road. Not laws or rules or good manners. Be
assertive and be safe!

This is true. The funny thing about cycling properly is that the cars
are more scared of the cyclist than the cyclist is of the cars-- I
often find myself having to hand-signal a lot to indicate what I would
normally expect a motorist to do (pass safely, for instance, or take
the right of way where I have been obliged by law to yield it). It's
kind of amusing.

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Very best regards, Bernie
PS: I am on a Fuji, not a Jamis, but I did use your input.

Y'know, I had been looking at the Fuji back in the day, too. How's it
working out for you?

It's all about the touring bikes. Even if I don't really ever tour on
mine. ever.

-Luigi

On 12 Jul 2004 00:40:12 -0700, [email hidden] (Jonathan Quist)

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Badger_South <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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On 11 Jul 2004 17:27:15 -0700, [email hidden] (Jonathan Quist)

Quoted message said:

I'm always tempted to yell "GET OFF THE [censored]*NG SIDEWALK!!" when I am
driving and see someone riding on it. Sort of a counterpoint the the
"GET OFF THE STREET!" that some morons yell...

Jonathan

Don't hollar at me, we have double wide sidewalks here with bike path
signs and easy ramps and divider lines painted on 'em.

-B

I wouldn't! (See previous post)

Interesting design idea. Is it very effective at providing any
separation between the walkers and cyclists?

Like you I prefer the gracious sharing and integration of the roads
'concept', but I like the super double wide roads that are in some
places - they're not striped , but marked as a bike rout and the cars
have one lane each way, but it's so wide that they're no conflict or
over-lap whatsoever.

The peds and mommys with triple-wide baby carriages like to share the
double wide sidewalks, and there's usually plenty of space, but the
bikers can typically zip down a driveway ramp into the streets if it's
clear and avoid 'em, and then go back up at the next driveway. Little
conflict b/c of that. Except for rush hour, it's quiet residential
mostly, although the delivery boxes lke to try and ride over you on
Sat mornngs! ;-D

The best part is long straight, scenic and flat (some inclines and
dips, enough for variation). Think spin and grin... ;-)

-B

Luigi de Guzman said:

Bernie said:

Hold your line Luigi! It's only your own human will that maintains
your place on the road. Not laws or rules or good manners. Be
assertive and be safe!

If I hear a big truck coming up fast behind me I pull as far to the
right as I can. The bow-wave of some of those suckers can knock a car
off the jack, I sure don't want to see what one could do to me.

Quoted message said:

This is true. The funny thing about cycling properly is that the cars
are more scared of the cyclist than the cyclist is of the cars-- I
often find myself having to hand-signal a lot to indicate what I would
normally expect a motorist to do (pass safely, for instance, or take
the right of way where I have been obliged by law to yield it). It's
kind of amusing.

I put their general panic at the sight of a bicyle down to stupidity.
Remember, half the people you see are below average.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Very best regards, Bernie
PS: I am on a Fuji, not a Jamis, but I did use your input.

Y'know, I had been looking at the Fuji back in the day, too. How's it
working out for you?

My husband has a Fuji MTB which he actually has to pedal downhill or it
will stop. The wheels turn freely when you spin them, the brakes aren't
dragging, and he keeps 65 pounds of air in his admittedly knobby tires.
He rides it on the street, it's probably way worse in actual dirt. Is a
puzzlement.

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Bev
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