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  1. Coast route to Santa Cruz

    I wish I had access to a similar picture fore other areas to the south
    and east of this frame, that gives excellent information of the winds.
    One of the more important areas is th coast south of this picture
    because the wind blows from NNW usually but often dies before reaching
    Santa Cruz, down the coast. On MWF the UP runs an up to 30 car
    "cement train" north to Davenport and back to Watsonville to supply
    the large CEMEX cement plant with coal and return with as many loaded
    cement hopper cars..

    Just the same, many tourists don't realize that riding north obscures
    their view of to the surf by being on the inland lane where the coast
    is steepest and most beautiful. They are mostly unaware that wind
    usually is in their faces traveling north into a NNW wind. The Palo
    Alto - San Gregorio - Davenport - Santa Cruz - loop returning on HWY 9
    and Skyline Blvd is one of my regular favorites with much of HWY 9 in
    a redwood forest.

    I often see heavily laden tourists pedaling in low gears northward on
    the inland side of the coast highway, some with trailers.

    Jobst Brandt

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Coast route to Santa Cruz

    I wish I had access to a similar picture fore other areas to the south
    and east of this frame, that gives excellent information of the winds.
    One of the more important areas is th coast south of this picture
    because the wind blows from NNW usually but often dies before reaching
    Santa Cruz, down the coast.

    Maybe that's from that semi-permanent, rotating
    low pressure air mass located just off the coast,
    that sends cool SE winds via Colorado into the
    Pacific Northwest.

    In summer, we usually get a high-pressure, offshore
    ridge along the coastal waters, which, coupled with
    a more northerly Jet Stream, usually protects us from
    those onslaughts, and allows a little bit of the warmer
    Prevailing Westerlies to sneak through onto land.
    Not this year (so far.) The Jet Stream is still
    dipping deeply southward along the coast, and the
    Pacific Northwest always seems to be on the wrong
    side of it.

    I've noted a great dearth of flying insects so far
    this spring/summer, and I opine it's largely due
    to current weather. There should be many more bees,
    dragonflies & butterflies about. It's simply been
    too cold & wet for them to flourish.

    cheers,
    Tom
    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    I'm really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  3. Tom Keats said:
    Quoted message said:

    Coast route to Santa Cruz

    http://sfports.wr.usgs.gov/wind/streaklines.shtml

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I wish I had access to a similar picture for other areas to the
    south and east of this frame, that gives excellent information of
    the winds. One of the more important areas is th coast south of
    this picture because the wind blows from NNW usually but often dies
    before reaching Santa Cruz, down the coast.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe that's from that semi-permanent, rotating low pressure air
    mass located just off the coast, that sends cool SE winds via
    Colorado into the Pacific Northwest.

    I don't understand what Colorado, located two major mountain ranges
    east has to do with coastal winds shown on the "streaklines" map.

    Quoted message said:

    In summer, we usually get a high-pressure, offshore ridge along the
    coastal waters, which, coupled with a more northerly Jet Stream,
    usually protects us from those onslaughts, and allows a little bit
    of the warmer Prevailing Westerlies to sneak through onto land. Not
    this year (so far.) The Jet Stream is still dipping deeply
    southward along the coast, and the Pacific Northwest always seems to
    be on the wrong side of it.

    What region is affected by the phenomena to which you refer? I'm
    unclear on where you ride.

    Quoted message said:

    I've noted a great dearth of flying insects so far this
    spring/summer, and I opine it's largely due to current weather.
    There should be many more bees, dragonflies & butterflies about.
    It's simply been too cold & wet for them to flourish.

    Where are you making these observations? I haven't noticed any dearth
    of insects.

    Jobst Brandt

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:
    Tom Keats said:
    Quoted message said:

    Coast route to Santa Cruz

    http://sfports.wr.usgs.gov/wind/streaklines.shtml

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I wish I had access to a similar picture for other areas to the
    south and east of this frame, that gives excellent information of
    the winds. One of the more important areas is th coast south of
    this picture because the wind blows from NNW usually but often dies
    before reaching Santa Cruz, down the coast.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe that's from that semi-permanent, rotating low pressure air
    mass located just off the coast, that sends cool SE winds via
    Colorado into the Pacific Northwest.

    I don't understand what Colorado, located two major mountain ranges
    east has to do with coastal winds shown on the "streaklines" map.

    I live in Vancouver, BC. Our winds come from the SE via
    Colorado, and from west over the Pacific Ocean (gentle sea
    breezes, but sometimes Pineapple Express, especially
    during El Nino years,) and in the winter, from the arctic
    north. In warmer months we also get occasional easterly
    outflow winds when the sun is setting.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In summer, we usually get a high-pressure, offshore ridge along the
    coastal waters, which, coupled with a more northerly Jet Stream,
    usually protects us from those onslaughts, and allows a little bit
    of the warmer Prevailing Westerlies to sneak through onto land. Not
    this year (so far.) The Jet Stream is still dipping deeply
    southward along the coast, and the Pacific Northwest always seems to
    be on the wrong side of it.

    What region is affected by the phenomena to which you refer? I'm
    unclear on where you ride.

    Vancouver, BC. Basically, what Americans term "The Pacific Northwest."
    We get the northern influence of that rotating offshore airmass to
    which I referred, while you Californians get the southern influence
    of it. The high pressure ridge that should exist right now develops
    in the Georgia Strait, between Vancouver Island and the mainland.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've noted a great dearth of flying insects so far this
    spring/summer, and I opine it's largely due to current weather.
    There should be many more bees, dragonflies & butterflies about.
    It's simply been too cold & wet for them to flourish.

    Where are you making these observations? I haven't noticed any dearth
    of insects.

    You enjoy the good fortune of being on the good side of the Jet Stream,
    which for much of this year has been forming a deep 'U' down the
    west coast of North America. At this time of year, it normally goes
    more-or-less straight across the continent (up to the Great Lakes
    region,) well above the 49th parallel.

    When we're on the north side of the Jet Stream, the weather is
    cooler and wetter. When we're on the south side, the weather is
    warmer and drier.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    Nothing is safe from me.
    I'm really at:
    tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

  5. Quoted message said:

    Just the same, many tourists don't realize that riding north obscures
    their view of to the surf by being on the inland lane where the coast
    is steepest and most beautiful. They are mostly unaware that wind
    usually is in their faces traveling north into a NNW wind. The Palo
    Alto - San Gregorio - Davenport - Santa Cruz - loop returning on HWY 9
    and Skyline Blvd is one of my regular favorites with much of HWY 9 in
    a redwood forest.

    I often see heavily laden tourists pedaling in low gears northward on
    the inland side of the coast highway, some with trailers.

    Jobst Brandt

    Or, if you would rather avoid the part of Highway 9 that gets the worst
    traffic, you can do what I did yesterday. Up Old LaHonda, out to Pescadero,
    Cloverdale, up Bonny Doon (but only after an excellent lunch at Whale City
    Bakery in Davenport) to Empire Grade, down Jamison Creek, up China Grade and
    then 9 to Skyline, then north to Sky Londa and back down 84. You still
    benefit from the tailwinds on the coast. Yesterday the fog hung a mile or
    two off the coast creating what looked like a very ugly sea. The part close
    to land was a nice blue, while it was an very unnatural gray a bit further
    out.

    We bought drinks from the Golf Club in Boulder Creek before ascending China
    Grade, taking note of an ambulance turning in to tend to a golfer who
    apparently found it a bit too much exercise going from his motorized cart to
    the tee. The regulars seem to regard it as nothing noteworthy.

    Some day when I'm brave enough I'll tackle Last Chance road into Big Basin.

    --Mike Jacoubowsky
    Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com
    Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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