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  1. "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 1/28/2004 12:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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    <[email hidden]

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    Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and
    homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so, without very
    convincing results.

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    Peter Moran

    *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*


    *reasonable*

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    *significant* *credibile* *compelling*

    ZZzz.

    Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*, Peter Moran


    won't

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    believe it.

    God himself could tap Peter on the shoulder and declare otherwise, he


    would

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    still be doubtful.

    Brainwashing is very powerful.

    So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza" to your


    nutty

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    beliefs, Jan? OK.

    Peter Moran

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    Jan


    Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with Chiropractic,
    while suffering the "Flu"? If you have not, then you simply blow smoke, as
    you have NO evidence to the contrary.

  2. "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 28, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    in message news:[email hidden]...

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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > "Robert Bronsing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > > > working for preventing/treating the Flu?
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    > > Of course not.
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    > > Robert Bronsing
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    > Please provide proof for your statement.

    (Citations corrected to reflect who said what).

    This question is asked by an individual who weaseled, waffled and


    whined

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    when ask for proof of it's assertions.

    IOW, another graduate of the Jan Drew School of Internet Hypocrisy.


    Goose, gander. Don't like it eh? Well, blowbert, YOU may provide the


    proof,

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    if you can.

    You made assertions, now back them up, or remain the fool that you are.


    No, blow-boy, I made no assertion. Your buttbuddies have been making
    absolute statements and I asked for proof. Much like you and your "buddies"
    have been doing here for some time. As I said "goose, gander.

  3. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 28, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    > "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > > "Robert Bronsing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > > > > working for preventing/treating the Flu?
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    > > > Of course not.
    > > >
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    > > > --
    > > > Robert Bronsing
    > > >
    > > Please provide proof for your statement.
    >
    > (Citations corrected to reflect who said what).
    >
    > This question is asked by an individual who weaseled, waffled and


    whined

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    > when ask for proof of it's assertions.
    >
    > IOW, another graduate of the Jan Drew School of Internet Hypocrisy.
    >
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    Goose, gander. Don't like it eh? Well, blowbert, YOU may provide the


    proof,

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    if you can.

    You made assertions, now back them up, or remain the fool that you are.


    No, blow-boy, I made no assertion.

    That is a lie. I asked you several times to back up claims that you made,
    and you engaged in the typical alt-know-nothing whine, weasel and wiggle,
    and, nothing has changed.

    Your buttbuddies have been making

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    absolute statements and I asked for proof. Much like you and your


    "buddies"

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    have been doing here for some time. As I said "goose, gander.

    Whatever you say is of no import, simply because you back up nothing you
    say. Sort of like a case of flatulence in a hurricane.

  4. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Having said that, there were no useful treatments for either viral
    infections or pheumonia or respiratory failure secondary to them in the
    early 1900s.

    Peter Moran


    Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not, why? Might
    it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

    However, according to:

    http://chnm.gmu.edu/features/voices/ww1flu/listeningtowwith.html

    "The Spanish influenza was not limited to the United States and Europe. It
    took hold in North Africa as early as May, Russia in June, India in July,
    and then China, New Zealand, and the Philippines in the next few months."

    You should do a bit of reading on the net and see that it seems that China
    is the source of most flu strains.

    (No, I will not give you another URL, as you have yet to demonstrate that
    you even bother to read them.)

    Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in China?
    Remember, this is a claim that YOU made, and your proof is to be readily
    available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.

  5. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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    Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with
    Chiropractic, while suffering the "Flu"? If you have not, then you
    simply blow smoke, as you have NO evidence to the contrary.

    Maybe people experiencing influenza would much rather stay at home in bed
    than go to a chiropractor's office. And I suspect those chiropractic
    patients who are there for treatment of idiopathic back pain (for which
    there's a bit of evidence that chiropractic is helpful) are rather glad
    that the flu patients don't show up.

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    The paragraph from Dr. Harte's "essay" concerning the 1918 Influenza
    Epidemic:

    "The Great Pandemic of 1918 ws the greatest plague of modern times. It
    is estimated to have killed between 25 million and 40 million people
    worldwide, about half a million in this country. History shows us that
    those under chiropractic car during the flu pandemic had a far better
    chance of survival. One example: medical doctors in Davenport Iowa
    treated 93,590 patients, with 6,116 deaths---in other words 1 out of 15
    succumbed to the flu. At The Palmer College of Chiropractic in
    Davenport, 1635 flu cases were adjustd, with only one fatility. Outside
    of Davenport, chiropractors adjusted 4,735 flu cases, wit only six
    deaths--1 out of 866. In 1919, Palmer published "The Flu & You". The
    ratio of flu cases cared for versus deaths wee as follw: Medical care:
    1 out of 17 died. Osteopathic care: 1 out of 36 died. Chiropractic
    care: 1 out of 886."

    My research: According to te 1920 US census, Iowa had a population of
    2.4 million citizens, while Davenport, Iowa had a population of
    approximately 54,000. Although I can't find how many "medical doctors"
    practiced in Davenport in 1918, it seems like it would have had to have
    been a pretty large number to "see" 93,590 patients over a perhaps a
    five month period, with the majority of cases popping up in maybe only
    three of those five months.

    Additionally, according to a recent article in the Des Moines, Iowa
    Register, there were approximatly 6,500 deaths attributed to the 1918
    Influenza Epidemic in ALL of Iowa. If Dr. Harte's figures are correct
    than Davenport would have had to have been the "epicenter" of that
    calamity, with only 2% of the population, but 94% of the deaths.

    Now you know exactly how easy it is to fool some people. Jan Drew and her
    loathsome ilk can't be bothered to check for plausibility much less accuracy.
    All you need to do is repeat the lie enough and it takes on a life of its own.
    Its also the reason they so greatly resent anyone challenging their assertions,
    they have seen so many of their basic tenets fall apart under skeptical
    examination like a kleenex at a snot party.

  7. Yet one more historical note on the 1918 World-Wide Influenza Pandemic:

    The Homeopathic community has also always claimed extreme success in
    that epidemic (now apparently along with chiropractory), though their
    models of choice were a city in Connecticut & one in Illinois, rather
    than Davenport, Iowa. Apparently, it was claimed that nobody (or almost
    nobody) died who was homeopathically treated. (I forget the name of
    diluted potion they use for the flu even to this day).

    However, by far, that 1918 epidemic hit India the hardest, killing
    about 20 million people. Interestingly, India had (& continues to have)
    a HUGE HUGE homeopathic tradition with dispenseries all over that
    country, from the smallest villages to the largest cities since the
    early 1900's, which certainly would have been in place in 1918. I have
    to wonder what went wrong.

  8. Uh huh.
    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > "Mark ProbertJanuary 28, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

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    > in message news:[email hidden]...
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    > > "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > > > "Robert Bronsing" <[email hidden]> wrote in


    message

    Quoted message said:
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    > > > news:[email hidden]...
    > > > >
    > > > > <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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    > > > > > working for preventing/treating the Flu?
    > > > >
    > > > > Of course not.
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    > > > > Robert Bronsing
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    > > > Please provide proof for your statement.
    > >
    > > (Citations corrected to reflect who said what).
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    > > This question is asked by an individual who weaseled, waffled and


    whined

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    > > when ask for proof of it's assertions.
    > >
    > > IOW, another graduate of the Jan Drew School of Internet


    Hypocrisy.

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    > Goose, gander. Don't like it eh? Well, blowbert, YOU may provide the
    proof,
    > if you can.

    You made assertions, now back them up, or remain the fool that you


    are.

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    No, blow-boy, I made no assertion.

    That is a lie. I asked you several times to back up claims that you made,
    and you engaged in the typical alt-know-nothing whine, weasel and wiggle,
    and, nothing has changed.

    Your buttbuddies have been making

    Quoted message said:

    absolute statements and I asked for proof. Much like you and your


    "buddies"

    Quoted message said:

    have been doing here for some time. As I said "goose, gander.

    Whatever you say is of no import, simply because you back up nothing you
    say. Sort of like a case of flatulence in a hurricane.

  9. "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not, why?


    Might

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    it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

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    Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in China?
    Remember, this is a claim that YOU made, and your proof is to be readily
    available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.


    Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the flu
    pandemic in China? It looks like I asked a question about it. Or do you read
    differently than the rest of the English speaking world? You
    are sputtering by the way.

  10. "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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    Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with
    Chiropractic, while suffering the "Flu"? If you have not, then you
    simply blow smoke, as you have NO evidence to the contrary.

    Maybe people experiencing influenza would much rather stay at home in bed
    than go to a chiropractor's office. And I suspect those chiropractic
    patients who are there for treatment of idiopathic back pain (for which
    there's a bit of evidence that chiropractic is helpful) are rather glad
    that the flu patients don't show up.


    I take it that your answer is "no" then?

  11. "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    at a snot party.


    At last! something that you know about.

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    Yet one more historical note on the 1918 World-Wide Influenza Pandemic:

    The Homeopathic community has also always claimed extreme success in
    that epidemic (now apparently along with chiropractory), though their
    models of choice were a city in Connecticut & one in Illinois, rather
    than Davenport, Iowa. Apparently, it was claimed that nobody (or almost
    nobody) died who was homeopathically treated. (I forget the name of
    diluted potion they use for the flu even to this day).

    However, by far, that 1918 epidemic hit India the hardest, killing
    about 20 million people. Interestingly, India had (& continues to have)
    a HUGE HUGE homeopathic tradition with dispenseries all over that
    country, from the smallest villages to the largest cities since the
    early 1900's, which certainly would have been in place in 1918. I have
    to wonder what went wrong.


    Money? Competing with the other "healing" methods present at the time?

  13. (Ilsa9) said:

    they have seen so many of their basic tenets fall apart under skeptical
    examination like a kleenex at a snot party.

    a vivid metaphor
    --

    "I can dance on the head of a pin as well"
    -Yoshimo

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    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


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    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    >Date: 1/28/2004 12:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
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    <[email hidden]

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    <snip>

    >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and
    >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so, without


    very

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    >convincing results.

    >Peter Moran
    >

    *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*


    *reasonable*

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    *significant* *credibile* *compelling*

    ZZzz.

    Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*, Peter Moran


    won't

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    believe it.

    God himself could tap Peter on the shoulder and declare otherwise, he


    would

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    still be doubtful.

    Brainwashing is very powerful.

    So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza" to your


    nutty

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    beliefs, Jan? OK.

    Peter Moran

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    Jan


    Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with


    Chiropractic,

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    while suffering the "Flu"? If you have not, then you simply blow smoke, as
    you have NO evidence to the contrary.

    Nonsense. What possible relevance would that have? Most patients with the
    flu recover with no active treatment. Am I to take it that in your brand
    of "science", if I had "seen anyone who was treated with Chiropractic" and
    they did not die, I would have to conclude that chiropractice saved their
    life?

    Only well-designed prospective studies could show that spinal manipulation
    reduces mortality from the flu.

    Why bother? It is a completely implausible idea, and and there are even
    very few chiropractors daring to make such claims.

    Peter Moran

  15. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Subject: Re: Will a Chiropractic "Adjustment"...
    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
    Date: 1/28/2004 8:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
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    <[email hidden]

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    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
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    <[email hidden]


    u

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    <snip>

    >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and
    >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so, without


    very

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    >convincing results.

    >Peter Moran
    >

    *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*


    *reasonable*

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    *significant* *credibile* *compelling*

    ZZzz.

    Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*, Peter Moran


    won't

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    believe it.

    God himself could tap Peter on the shoulder and declare otherwise, he


    would

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    still be doubtful.

    Brainwashing is very powerful.

    So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza" to your


    nutty

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    beliefs, Jan? OK.

    Peter Moran

    Nope, not OK. My beliefs are not nutty, but you are wrong in stating no
    cliniical studies have been done.

    We add another organized medicine post from you.

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    Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and
    >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so, without


    very

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    >convincing results.

    >Peter Moran

    Not true.

    http://tinyurl.com/2qpfw

    Jan, this is rubbish. I have yet to see a properly designed prospective
    trial performed by chiropractors on any medical condition. All
    chiropractic research is targeted at promoting chiropractic, not getting at
    the truth. If you can find a good study, post it.

    Peter Moran

  16. "WB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    (Ilsa9) said:

    they have seen so many of their basic tenets fall apart under skeptical
    examination like a kleenex at a snot party.

    a vivid metaphor


    Spoken like a true blue booger man.

  17. "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <[email hidden]

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    > >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and
    > >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so, without


    very

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    > >convincing results.
    >
    > >Peter Moran
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    > *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*


    *reasonable*

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    > *significant* *credibile* *compelling*
    >
    > ZZzz.
    >
    > Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*, Peter Moran


    won't

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    > believe it.
    >
    > God himself could tap Peter on the shoulder and declare otherwise,


    he

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    would
    > still be doubtful.
    >
    > Brainwashing is very powerful.

    So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza" to your


    nutty

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    beliefs, Jan? OK.

    Peter Moran
    >
    > Jan


    Dear Mr. Moran, have you ever seen anyone who was treated with


    Chiropractic,

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    while suffering the "Flu"? If you have not, then you simply blow smoke,


    as

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    you have NO evidence to the contrary.

    Nonsense. What possible relevance would that have? Most patients with


    the

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    flu recover with no active treatment. Am I to take it that in your brand
    of "science", if I had "seen anyone who was treated with Chiropractic" and
    they did not die, I would have to conclude that chiropractice saved their
    life?

    Only well-designed prospective studies could show that spinal manipulation
    reduces mortality from the flu.

    Why bother? It is a completely implausible idea, and and there are even
    very few chiropractors daring to make such claims.

    Peter Moran


    And thinking the way you do about it, keeps you from needing to find out.
    How convenient.

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    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Subject: Re: Will a Chiropractic "Adjustment"...
    From: "Peter Moran" [email hidden]
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    u

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    > >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and
    > >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so, without


    very

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    > >convincing results.
    >
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    > *Substantial* *real* *solid* *convincing* *hard* *clear-cut*


    *reasonable*

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    > *significant* *credibile* *compelling*
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    > ZZzz.
    >
    > Truth is if it is not endorsed by *organized medicine*, Peter Moran


    won't

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    > believe it.
    >
    > God himself could tap Peter on the shoulder and declare otherwise, he
    would
    > still be doubtful.
    >
    > Brainwashing is very powerful.

    So shall we add "spinal manipulation is a cure for influenza" to your


    nutty

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    beliefs, Jan? OK.

    Peter Moran

    Nope, not OK. My beliefs are not nutty, but you are wrong in stating no
    cliniical studies have been done.

    We add another organized medicine post from you.

    Quoted message said:

    >Chiropractic has NEVER performed any rigorous clinical studies, and
    > >homeopathy has only ever done so in the last decade or so, without


    very

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    > >convincing results.
    >
    > >Peter Moran

    Not true.

    http://tinyurl.com/2qpfw

    Jan, this is rubbish. I have yet to see a properly designed prospective
    trial performed by chiropractors on any medical condition. All
    chiropractic research is targeted at promoting chiropractic, not getting


    at

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    the truth. If you can find a good study, post it.

    Peter Moran


    So in your opinion, Chiropractic uses the very same trial and promotion
    techniques as the drug cartel. Nice.

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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not, why?


    Might

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    it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

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    Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in China?
    Remember, this is a claim that YOU made, and your proof is to be readily
    available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.


    Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the flu
    pandemic in China? It looks like I asked a question about it. Or do you


    read

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    differently than the rest of the English speaking world?


    You

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    are sputtering by the way.

    Your question implied that China had no problem. However, the evidence is
    just the contrary.

    You should also note that many of the strains of flue originate in China.

    Thus, the answer to your westion is that China does not have any special
    treatment or dealing with the flu.

    Oh, BTW, where did SARS originate?

  20. "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Mark ProbertJanuary 29, 2004" <[email hidden]>


    wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > Did China have a problem with the "Great Flu Epidemic"? If not, why?


    Might

    Quoted message said:

    > it be that the Chinese had effective methods to deal with such?

    Quoted message said:

    Now, can YOU document that the Flu Pandemic was as you claim in China?
    Remember, this is a claim that YOU made, and your proof is to be


    readily

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    available, and verifiable. "My mommy told me so" is not proof.


    Will you please explain exactly where I made any "claim" about the flu
    pandemic in China? It looks like I asked a question about it. Or do you


    read

    Quoted message said:

    differently than the rest of the English speaking world?


    You

    Quoted message said:

    are sputtering by the way.

    Your question implied that China had no problem. However, the evidence is
    just the contrary.

    You should also note that many of the strains of flue originate in China.

    Thus, the answer to your westion is that China does not have any special
    treatment or dealing with the flu.

    Oh, BTW, where did SARS originate?


    Then why did you say that I made a claim?
    As for implications, you may read into it what you want. And it is evident
    that you do a lot of "reading into"
    We are TOLD that many strains originate in China. You, nor I, do not KNOW
    that to be true.
    Who said "special"?
    Sars may have just as likely originated in some lab somewhere far from
    China. You, nor I, do not KNOW for sure.
    You are not doing well in this debate, perhaps you should drop it.

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