Why Is It....

On 19 Mar 2003 12:20:53 GMT, [email hidden] (Stephen Baker) blathered:

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Now _that's_ what I call a set of riser bars ;-))

I'm tempted to construct a sentence containing the words 'Scottish', 'short', 'fat' and 'ginger'.

But I won't.

Pete
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BB said:

Bill Wheeler said:

That nobody ever seems to post problems with Fully Rigid Single Speeds?

Intrigued by the singlespeed hype, I tried a sample "singlespeed" ride by putting my bike in one
gear and leaving it there for the entire ride. A sharp pain flared up in my knee just before
finishing off a 1/2-mile climb; I couldn't ride for a few weeks, and its been a problem ever since.

I'd rather have problem with my derailleurs; at least those can be fixed easily.

It's not the same...way to much slop in the "non SS" drivetrain. I did the same thing, boy was I
surprise when I rode a real SS.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

ctg said:

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That nobody ever seems to post problems with Fully Rigid Single Speeds?

Is this like the disc brake thing where you complained incessantly about how [censored] and unnecessary
they were and then changed your mind?

no

The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

bloocow said:

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That nobody ever seems to post problems with Fully Rigid Single Speeds?

...except for Clyde and his Redline.

Actually I posted one about my Shimano cog getting dirt inside on muddy rides and skipping on hard
pedal strokes. Also my chain sometimes come off the singleator jockey wheel on climbs. And the
melvin tensioner doesn't seem to allow chainline adjustment. Of course if you had straight
dropouts you wouldn't have 2 of my woes. And if you lived outside of Singapore you wouldn't have
to suffer with Shimano cogs either cus nobody sells SS specific cogs here. On the bright side, it
seems more and more companies are introducing SS gear like CK. If they had a flip-flop I'd change
mine in a sec.

bloocow - weirdly, flip flops do it for me.

ah yes, true SS problems...Thank you, thank you greatly!

Peace, Bill

The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

Doug Taylor said:

Bill Wheeler said:

That's right, nothing, 'cause it won't happen. Please someone post a valid SS problem.

Last fall on a night ride, I snapped the rear axle on my SS on a steep climb and had to walk 3
miles in the dark to the nearest road, then wait another 1/2 hour for my buds to come pick me up in
the car <<sniff>>

I don't believe you can generate enough torque on a geared bike to break an axle - at least I've
never heard of it. And a major pain on a cold fall night at 9:00 p.m., trust me.

That good enough?

--dt

Music to my ears...don't stop...more, more...

Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should
give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

Pete Jones said:

On 19 Mar 2003 02:52:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Stephen Baker) blathered:

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That nobody ever seems to post problems with Fully Rigid Single Speeds?

Or fully rigid gearies either ;-))

This is the way I've gone - there's a photo of it somewhere in here taken yesterday:
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Damn nice pics! Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is,
the mind should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

Doug Taylor said:

Benjamin Weiner said:

Is it a freewheel or a cassette hub? Geared freewheel hubs do break axles - I've done in two. They
break from fatigue, millions of tiny loads, every time you pedal. Once the axle is bent, it is
already cracked, and eventually a torque comes along that just snaps it. Usually at the place
where the right side bearings are. It's worse with wide rear spacing like 6 or 7 speed freewheels.
Cassette hubs solved this problem by having a right side bearing near the axle end so there is not
an unsupported length of axle. This is in the r.b.tech FAQ.

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A broken QR axle is sort of held together by the skewer so it can be ridden, but seems like it may
damage the bearing races, and it definitely sucks to ride.

It was a Spot SS hub with a 17 tooth SS freewheel, not a geared freewheel OR a cassette hub. It
broke, as you describe with the geared freewheel, on the drive side flush with the bearings. Since
this hub is fastened to the dropout with bolts in the axle, and without a QR skewer, it was
unrideable with a broken axle.

Anyway, Bill was looking for a gripe specific to SS's, and this is one. --dt

Alrighty now, Spot hub axel breakage..yeEEESSS! The mind serves properly as a window glass rather
than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of
the world.
:-]

Bob said:

Yeah, but many times it's incredibly hilly then flat then hilly then flat then downhill then
extremely steep. I can't see using a single speed anywhere I ride -- in order to get into a nice
gear for the hills, I'd have to pedal at 300 rpm on the flats, and let's not even talk about
downhill.

boo hiss spit....Shirley you can't be serious ;-)

get it? Shirley rhymes with girlie.

D'oh, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
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Who say's you _have_ to have 2:1 I'm quite content w/ my 32/17 gearing.

I second 32:17. Works in most conditions just fine for me.

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Who say's you _have_ to have 2:1 I'm quite content w/ my 32/17 gearing.

I second 32:17. Works in most conditions just fine for me.

I will take that into advisement when the work starts. Just don't get [censored] when I have to ask
again because I forgot.
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Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado

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Craig Brossman said:

Mortal men/women on a 2-1 SS would have a difficult time riding many of the trails in my
neck-of-the-woods.

Who say's you _have_ to have 2:1 I'm quite content w/ my 32/17 gearing. On days I'm doing a
"seriously" hilly ride (Like Lynx or Hall Mountian Trail) I throw on the 18T freewheel
equipt'ed wheel.

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Of course that won't stop me from building one in the near future.

"Bun's-O-Steel"

I'm running 30x17 and can clean most anything. Well, I think I can, or just brag a lot. That's it.

Paladin

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Please someone post a valid SS problem.

Ok, [censored] freewheels.

JD

Paladin said:

I'm running 30x17 and can clean most anything.

30:17 is what I thought of doing for the big-bad hills, but decided to keep one ring (a 32) and have
two wheels built up (a 17 and an 18).

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Please someone post a valid SS problem.

Ok, [censored] freewheels.

JD

I'll keep that in mind. I did have one [censored] cr@p out on my previous bike.

Jury is still out on my SS. ... "we shall see" said the blind man.

Bill

The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
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Please someone post a valid SS problem.

Ok, [censored] freewheels.

JD

I'll keep that in mind. I did have one [censored] cr@p out on my previous bike.

Jury is still out on my SS. ... "we shall see" said the blind man.

Let's add faulty crank bolts to that list:

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JD

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> Please someone post a valid SS problem.

Ok, [censored] freewheels.

JD

I'll keep that in mind. I did have one [censored] cr@p out on my previous bike.

Jury is still out on my SS. ... "we shall see" said the blind man.

Let's add faulty crank bolts to that list:

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JD

Did that happen in the act of riding or tightening? And is it my eyes, or is the spindle circular?
If so, you're rougher on bb's than newbies! How'd you get the bolt out? Strong magnet? 😉 /s

supabonbon said:

Did that happen in the act of riding or tightening?

I've had teh exact same thing happen to me trying to fully seat my RaceFace ISIS cranks, the bolts
just aren't hard enough and strip out before the cranks bottom out on the BB flange.

Race Face realized this a bit late and _now_ recomends you tighten to yield then go ride then
tighten some more, and repeat till it's fully seated. See the current issue of DirtRag (Guess who
was thier Guinea Pig ?-) I went through _4_ sets of friggin' bolts getting my ISIS North Shore
cranks to fully seat onthe ISIS "XS" BB.

For seating the cranks to the BB on the Beer'Cross (tonight!!!!), I'm going out to the garage I work
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hydaulic press.

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How'd you get the bolt out?

In my case, I use a cobalt drill bit and drilled the fscking bolt out, the BB was fine but it
thashed the crank arm, Race Face replaced it no questions asked.

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Let's add faulty crank bolts to that list:

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To further explain in reference to the posts that show where I read and can't post, whereas Gooogle
is too damn slow to show them:

I was climbing and the BB area seemed to be creaking a bit, so I pulled to the side of the trail to
check torque on the crank bolts. The non-drive side was fine. The drive side snapped off with really
no effort at all, as if it was just sitting there already sheared off. I'm going to take an easyout
to it later today and purchace some new bolts. The crankarm was not harshed, nor will it be with the
extraction of the failed bolt. Cheap and easy fix.

JD

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That nobody ever seems to post problems with Fully Rigid Single Speeds?

...except for Clyde and his Redline.

I'm just curious, I really have no idea why SS's seem to be virtually free of crazy defects.

<shamalamadingdong>>

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I'm done.

RIP: Ride In Peace,

Bill

It's true, singlespeeds are kinda tough to beat when it comes to maintenance. Finding a frame in
your size can be tough though. And those solid wheels, while flat-free, are murder, real bone
shakers. Plus its arguable that having those two little wheels in the back make it LESS stable, even
though it can seem counterintuitive. /s

supabonbon said:

It's true, singlespeeds are kinda tough to beat when it comes to maintenance. Finding a frame in
your size can be tough though. And those solid wheels, while flat-free, are murder, real bone
shakers. Plus its arguable that having those two little wheels in the back make it LESS stable,
even though it can seem counterintuitive.\

That's because you rode a Big-Wheel (aka: looser-cruiser) instead of a Green-Macine