Where Fluoride Comes From

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All fluoride chemicals used in the U.S. for water fluoridation, sodium
fluoride, sodium fluorosilicate, and fluorosilicic acid, are byproducts of the
phosphate fertilizer industry, according to the US Center for Disease
Control's, National Fluoridation Engineer, Thomas G. Reeves.(A)

This is a very nice post, but I have always thought that the flourides
used in toothpaste and our water came as a byproduct of the Hall
process for manufacturing alumninum. Perhaps there are two sources of
this terribly toxic product.

These chemicals are very toxic. Originally these flourides were used
for ant and roach poisons.

However, by puting the byproducts into the drinking water and the
toothpaste, everybody gets a little of the the hazardous chemical but
not so much as to kill immediately. It does serve to keep the price
of aluminum and fertilzer down by limiting the disposal costs and
converting a potential profit killer into a positive money producer.

Wow, isn't our government great?

DrC PhD.

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Phosphate fertilizer manufacturing produces two byproducts: (1) a solid,
calcium sulfate (sheetrock, CaSo4); and (2) the gases, hydrofluoric acid (HF)
and silicon tetrafluoride (SiF4), reports Reeves.

Apatite rock, a calcium mineral found in central Florida, is ground up and
treated with sulfuric acid, producing phosphoric acid and the two byproducts,
calcium sulfate and the two gas emissions. These gases are captured by product
recovery units (scrubbers) and condensed into 23% fluorosilicic acid, reports
Reeves.

According to the National Sanitation Foundation, this fluorosilicic acid
commonly contains lead and arsenic (B). Earth Island Journal reports, small
traces of cadmium, mercury, sulfates, iron , phosphorous and radionuclides may
contaminate the fluorosilicic acid, also. (C)

Sodium fluoride and sodium fluorosilicate are made from this acid, writes
Reeves who claims the fluoride chemicals dissociate virtually 100% into their
various components (ions) and are very stable, safe, and non-toxic.

Unfortunately for us, there are no data to support Reeves claim. In fact, the
National Toxicology Program (NTP) has just now started to study water
fluoridation chemicals(D). The NTP indicates that the "assumed complete
dissociation to free fluoride under normal conditions of use [is] not supported
by experimental evidence."

In fact, laboratory research in Germany by Westendorf (E) contradicts the
assumption of "complete dissociation"

Since the elements that make up silicofluorides don’t fully come apart in
water, Masters and Coplan theorize one or more of these partially dissolved
compounds might be responsible for the higher blood lead levels found in
children who live in silicofluoridated communites (F) when compared to sodium
or non-fluoridated communities.

"Pharmaceutical grade fluoride compounds are not appropriate for water
fluoridation; they are used in the formulation of prescription drugs," reports
Reeves. What he's really saying is that pharmaceutical grade fluoride compounds
are too expenseive to use for water fluoridation.

Reeves writes, "Finally, it is sometimes alleged that the fluoride from natural
sources, like calcium fluoride, is better than fluorides added "artificially",
such as from the fluoride chemicals presently used.There is no difference,"
says Reeves.

However, Fluoride toothpaste giant Colgate's advice to professionals is that
calcium fluoride is poorly absorbed(7) unlike free fluoride ions which are
quickly absorbed. In fact, calcium is the antidote for fluoride poisoning
because the positively charged calcium ion attaches to the negatively charged
fluorine ion and safely carries fluoride out of the body.

The real question is why is a water fluoridation engineer giving health advice
about fluoride and why are legislative bodies heeding it?

References:
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/11749/105538

Fluoride Supplements - Don't Use Them
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/11749/90618

McFluoride
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/11749/98946

Sally Stride
Fluoride Editor, Suite 101
http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/fluoridation

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All fluoride chemicals used in the U.S. for water fluoridation, sodium
fluoride, sodium fluorosilicate, and fluorosilicic acid, are byproducts of the
phosphate fertilizer industry, according to the US Center for Disease
Control's, National Fluoridation Engineer, Thomas G. Reeves.(A)

This is a very nice post, but I have always thought that the flourides
used in toothpaste and our water came as a byproduct of the Hall
process for manufacturing alumninum. Perhaps there are two sources of
this terribly toxic product.

These chemicals are very toxic. Originally these flourides were used
for ant and roach poisons.

However, by puting the byproducts into the drinking water and the
toothpaste, everybody gets a little of the the hazardous chemical but
not so much as to kill immediately. It does serve to keep the price
of aluminum and fertilzer down by limiting the disposal costs and
converting a potential profit killer into a positive money producer.

Wow, isn't our government great?

DrC PhD.

And they do save a lot on disposal fees for their toxic wastes.
Chemical companies should be the ones paying local governments for
taking their toxic waste, not the other way around. How did they
ever dupe local governments into paying them for their toxic waste and
using out drinking water as their dumping grounds?

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Subject: Re: Where Fluoride Comes From
From: [email hidden] (hnow)
Date: 2/1/04 1:50 PM Eastern Standard Time
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And they do save a lot on disposal fees for their toxic wastes.
Chemical companies should be the ones paying local governments for
taking their toxic waste, not the other way around. How did they
ever dupe local governments into paying them for their toxic waste and
using out drinking water as their dumping grounds?

It is a continuing saga.

Bureaucrats pass laws. They know nothing about medicine or science, but lots
about propaganda and power.

Falsified logic and data combined with corporate greed was all the bureaucrat's
needed.

Industry needed some way to dispose of the toxic flourides.

People living in regions where flouride was in the soil, and , hence, in their
foods, had a better history of oral health. The fact that toxic flouides were
in the water is not important unless you want to obfuscate the truth.

Tests were run and data was mis-interpreted or falsified to show that toxic
flourides in the water contributed to better oral health rather than showing
that flouride in the food was responsibe any improvement in tooth strength and
health.

When you combine big government with big business, the individual person
readily becomes a statistic.

DrC PhD