Wheat and insulin

"Jim Warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What a bout whole wheat bread. Everyone says it is the worst thing in the world for weight
reduction. How about it's effect on diabetes?

Whole wheat bread takes longer to break down into glucose than refined bread, plus it's got more
fibre, so it's not AS bad for a diabetic as refined white bread. having said that, if you're a T1
like me and use one of the fast insulins (Humalog/Novorapid) it's highly possible that a mismatch in
the speed of digestion and the speed of the insulin could result in a low BG shortly after
injecting/eatingand a high BG an hour or so later. That's what happens with me and whole wheat/whole
grain breads, so I sticj to the refined white bread where the matching of the bread and the insulin
(and me of course) work together.

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If I have type II diabetes don't I produce all of
the insulin I need and my body doesn't process it?

A T2 rarely has too little insulin, rather they have resistance to the insulin they produce. Eating
slower burning foods like whole wheat/whole grain bread, "eases" the strain and reduces the BG spike
that's normally associated with starchy foods. An unmedicated T2 would be foolish to eat refined
bread IMO.

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What good would insulin injects do for a type II diabetic?

It's a very "horses for courses" thing that. Some T2's do well on a mixed insulin while others do
well on a fast. Some also do well on an intermediate speed insulin too, so there's an elelment of
trial and error when discussing the "best" insulin for anyone. What's usually best for a T2 is oral
meds first to address the insulin resisitance issue, and THEN maybe add in insulin.

Beav

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What a bout whole wheat bread. Everyone says it is the worst thing in the world for weight
reduction. How about it's effect on diabetes?

They do? I've never heard anyone say this.

Have you seen a dietician? If not, you should. If so, you should get a second visit. You seem to
know little about food adn diabetes. It is carbs that raise our BG the most. Carbs are in all sorts
of foods, including whole wheat bread. Some people find they can eat bread. Some can not. What does
your meter say after you eat it? And sometimes it's a matter of portion size and/or timing. I can
sometimes eat two slices of bread in the morning. No more. Can eat three (not that I would) later
in the day.

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If I have type II diabetes don't I produce all of the insulin I need and my body doesn't process
it? What good would insulin injects do for a type II diabetic?

You might or might not produce enough insulin. There are many variations of type 2. Some people
produce some insulin, but not enough. Others produce plenty of insulin but they have insulin
resistance, so their body doesn't process it well. If diet, exercise and pills isn't enough for you,
then you need insulin too.

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Jim Warren wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

What a bout whole wheat bread. Everyone says it is the worst thing in the world for weight
reduction. How about it's effect on diabetes?

If I have type II diabetes don't I produce all of the insulin I need and my body doesn't process
it? What good would insulin injects do for a type II diabetic?

Thanks Jim

No, you don't produce all of the insulin you need.

The average Type 2 diabetic has had about 50% of his insulin cells destroyed when first diagnosed.

Unless he can reduce his Insulin Resistance, he will continue to have more insulin cells destroyed.

That's one of the main differences between a Type 2 diabetic and the rest of the world, he's lost so
many insulin cells that he can't make enough to control his blood sugar.

The other difference between a Type 2 diabetic and the rest of the world is that he is Insulin
Resistant and therefore needs more insulin than normal folks. Thus, he needs more than normal but he
can't make as much.

If they can reduce their Insulin Resistance by exercise, losing weight and metformin or Actos or
Avandia, many can get by with their reduced levels of insulin. . . and many can't get by and need
insulin injections.

Whole wheat bread is better than plain white bread but it's not that good for diabetics. You can
only eat a small amount. How small depends on how many of your insulin cells have been destroyed,
and how well you have succeeded in reducing your Insulin Resistance.

Regards
Old Al

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Jim Warren wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

What a bout whole wheat bread. Everyone says it is the worst thing in the world for weight
reduction. How about it's effect on diabetes?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If I have type II diabetes don't I produce all of the insulin I need and my body doesn't process
it? What good would insulin injects do for a type II diabetic?

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Thanks Jim

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No, you don't produce all of the insulin you need.

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The average Type 2 diabetic has had about 50% of his insulin cells destroyed when first diagnosed.

This figure is questionable. People with healthy beta cells are regenerating them anyhow. I have
recently had my C peptide level tested, and I am in the middle of the range, and I have been
clinically diabetic for 20 years. From what I now know, I would guess that I have been insulin
resistant to a considerable degree since I was 18.

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Unless he can reduce his Insulin Resistance, he will continue to have more insulin cells destroyed.

We do not have any really good methods of doing this. We do not even know the chemicals which
produce the resistance; we know a little about techniques to reduce it.
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