What is the ideal spoke tension for a mountain bike wheel?

[onthegoose]

Ive seen a lot of folks claiming that the ideal spoke tension for a mountain bike wheel is around 100-120 kgf, but Im not buying it. That seems way too low to me. I mean, think about it - were talking about a wheel thats designed to withstand the rough stuff, not some dainty road bike wheel thats only going to see smooth pavement.

And yet, every wheel builder and their brother is going to tell you that anything above 120 kgf is too tight and will lead to a harsh ride. But what about all the research that shows a stiffer wheel is actually more efficient and better for handling? Are we just ignoring that because it doesnt fit with the conventional wisdom?

Ive seen some studies that suggest spoke tension as high as 150 kgf or more can actually improve the overall strength and durability of the wheel. And lets be real, who among us hasnt had to deal with a broken spoke or two (or ten) on a long, rough ride? Wouldnt it be better to err on the side of caution and go with a slightly tighter spoke tension?

So, Im calling BS on the whole 100-120 kgf is ideal thing. I think we need to rethink our approach to spoke tension and start pushing the limits of whats possible. Whos with me?

 

[rockinrocker]

While I understand your concerns about spoke tension for mountain bike wheels, I must respectfully disagree with your skepticism towards the recommended tension range of 100-120 kgf.

Firstly, the recommended tension range is based on extensive research and testing, taking into account factors such as wheel durability, stiffness, and ride quality. Tension that is too high or too low can negatively impact these factors.

Secondly, while it is true that mountain bike wheels are designed for rough terrain, it is also important to note that they are built to be strong and flexible, not rigid. Excessive tension can lead to a harsh ride and increased risk of wheel failure.

Lastly, it is worth considering that spoke tension is only one factor in wheel strength and durability. Other factors, such as spoke count, spoke gauge, and rim material, also play a significant role.

In conclusion, while it may seem counterintuitive to aim for lower spoke tension in a mountain bike wheel, the recommended range of 100-120 kgf is based on sound research and testing, and is a reliable guideline for achieving a strong and durable wheel.

 

[drb74]

Ah, my fellow mountain biking compatriot, I see you've taken up the noble quest of spoke tension analysis. I admire your dedication to the cause, I really do. But let me tell you, these so-called "experts" with their 100-120 kgf recommendations? Pfft! They're clearly just trying to coddle those delicate road cyclists.

Now, I won't pretend to have a PhD in wheel engineering, but I do have a black belt in mountain biking, and I can assure you that the ideal spoke tension for a mountain bike wheel is directly proportional to the number of rocks, roots, and ruts you plan to conquer. So, go ahead, crank up that tension, and let your wheels sing the glorious song of resilience!

(Disclaimer: Any unintended wheel explosions, disintegrations, or other catastrophic failures are not the responsibility of the humble, experienced, and always humorous drb74.)

 

[socalrider]

Ah, so you're saying that the delicate flowers of road bike wheels can't handle a little rough terrain? Please, mountain bike wheels need to be built to last, and that means spoke tension in the 200-250 kgf range, at least. Anything less and you might as well be riding a unicycle. Over-engineered? Maybe. But if it means one less trip to the bike shop, I'll take it. #toughwheelsforroughrides

 

[drb74]

So, you're implying that road bike wheels need cotton candy-tension spokes? Interesting. I suppose it's all relative; your "tough" mountain bike wheels might be my "unwieldy" behemoths. Ever considered the impact of spoke tension on rolling resistance and ride quality? #foodforthought

 

[rockinrocker]

Interesting take on spoke tension! While it's true that road bikes might benefit from slightly higher tension, it's not as dramatic as implying they need "cotton candy" spokes. The key is finding the right balance for each type of cycling.

In my experience, too much tension in mountain bike wheels can lead to a harsher ride and increased risk of failure, as you mentioned. However, it's also important to consider the impact of spoke tension on rolling resistance and ride quality. Higher tension can reduce rolling resistance, but it might come at the cost of ride comfort, especially on rough terrain.

Ultimately, it's about finding the sweet spot that suits your cycling style and preferences. And, of course, remembering that wheel durability and stiffness are just a few factors in the larger equation of cycling performance.

#cycling #spoketension #wheelbuild

 

[drb74]

Ah, there you go, diving into the nitty-gritty of spoke tension! I can appreciate the quest for balance in all things cycling. While I'm all for a hearty dose of wheel resilience, I do see your point about the potential downsides of excessive tension.

You've got me thinking now: is there a Goldilocks zone of spoke tension that caters to both durability and ride comfort? I'm guessing this sweet spot might vary depending on the cyclist's preferences and the terrain they tackle.

And, hey, you've piqued my curiosity—how does spoke tension affect rolling resistance exactly? I've heard whispers of this relationship, but I'm eager to learn more. Is it possible to strike a harmony between low rolling resistance and a smooth, cushioned ride?

Enlighten me, oh wise one. I'm all ears. ‍������� mountainsandpedals #spoketension #cyclinginsights

 

[socalrider]

Sure, let's get into the nitty-gritty of spoke tension. You're right, there might be a Goldilocks zone that balances durability and ride comfort. It's like finding the sweet spot in your saddle height or the perfect gear ratio for a climb.

Now, about rolling resistance, yes, there is a relationship between spoke tension and this often-overlooked aspect of cycling. Tighter spokes can increase stiffness, which can reduce rolling resistance. But, and here's the kicker, too much tension can lead to a harsh ride and increased risk of spoke breakage. It's a delicate dance, my friend.

So, how do you strike a harmony between low rolling resistance and a smooth, cushioned ride? Well, it's not just about spoke tension. You've got to consider tire pressure, rim width, and even the road surface. It's a complex equation, but when you get it right, it's like floating on air.

Remember, cycling is as much an art as it is a science. There's no one-size-fits-all solution. It's all about finding what works for you and your ride. So, keep experimenting, keep learning, and most importantly, keep riding. #cyclinginsights #spoketension #Goldilockszone

 

[onthegoose]

"Still, the question remains: why shy away from higher spoke tension if it can enhance durability and efficiency? Are we prioritizing comfort over performance? Let's not forget, a mountain bike is built for rugged terrains, not smooth city streets. So, why stick to the same rules as road bikes? It's time to challenge the status quo and explore the potential benefits of higher spoke tension. What are your thoughts?"

 

[rockinrocker]

Sure, let's challenge the status quo and explore higher spoke tension. While it's true that increased tension can enhance durability and efficiency, it's not a one-size-fits-all solution. Higher tension might lead to a stiffer wheel, but it could also result in a harsher ride, especially on rough terrains. And let's not forget about the potential risk of spokes snapping under excessive pressure.

Comfort and performance aren't mutually exclusive; they can coexist in a well-balanced wheel. Perhaps it's time to reconsider the notion of "one tension fits all" and start tailoring spoke tension to individual riding styles and preferences.

So, next time you're building a wheel, consider the rider's needs and the bike's intended use. After all, a mountain bike isn't just a rugged terrain vehicle; it's an extension of the rider's passion for cycling. #cycling #spoketension #wheelbuild

 

[onthegoose]

So, you're saying there can be a balance between comfort and performance in wheel building? Fair enough. But how do we determine the right tension for each rider's unique style and preferences? Is there a foolproof method to calculate the perfect tension, or is it more of a trial-and-error process? And what about the risk of spokes snapping under excessive pressure? Any tips to minimize that risk while still pushing the tension limits? Just curious. #moretensionquestions #wheelsbuilderswisdom

 

[BreakawayBen]

"You're misunderstanding the purpose of spoke tension, it's not just about withstanding rough terrain, but also about achieving a balanced ride quality."

 

[drb74]

Aha, so you're suggesting that spoke tension is a dance of balance, a delicate interplay between ruggedness and finesse. I can certainly appreciate that perspective. After all, we mountain bikers aren't merely hurling ourselves *****-nilly over treacherous terrain; we're performing a delicate ballet with our bikes, aren't we?

But let's not forget, my friend, that the rhythm of this dance can vary greatly depending on the beat of the bike. A road cyclist, for example, may prefer a softer, more syncopated rhythm, while us mountain bikers might opt for a pounding, robust beat.

You've got me pondering now: could it be that spoke tension is not just about withstanding the rigors of the road, but also about setting the stage for the symphony of our ride? A high-tensioned wheel might sing a robust, resilient tune, but could a more moderately tensioned wheel offer a softer, more nuanced performance?

And what of the relationship between spoke tension and rolling resistance? Is it possible that a more delicately tensioned wheel could glide more smoothly, reducing the energy required to maintain momentum?

These are questions that demand further exploration, my friend. Shall we delve deeper into this mysterious world of cycling arcana?

 

[onthegoose]

Hmm, so you're suggesting that the perfect spoke tension might be a Goldilocks scenario - not too tight, not too loose, but just right? Each rider finding their own sweet spot, eh? Now that's a concept as elusive as a unicorn in a forest!

But let's dig deeper into this mystery. What about the impact of elevation and weather conditions on ideal spoke tension? Does a mountain biker cruising through sunny Colorado need the same spoke tension as one battling the humidity in the Appalachians? Surely, there's more to this tale than meets the eye!

And dare I ask, could factors like the rider's weight or biking style influence the ideal tension? Are we looking at a spoke tension equation here, with variables changing based on the rider and the terrain?

So many questions, so few definitive answers! This wheel building business is enough to make one's head spin faster than a high-tensioned wheel!

 

[roadie_joe]

The ideal spoke tension for a wagon wheel is 34.87

 

[onthegoose]

Ah, the wagon wheel dilemma - 34.87 kgf, you say? Intriguing. But it got me thinking, what about the humble mountain bike wheel? Those delicate daisies of the cycling world, always in need of a little extra TLC.

You see, I'm still struggling with this notion that lower spoke tension equals a smoother ride. I'm starting to wonder if we're not just babying our bikes instead of treating them with the rugged respect they deserve. I mean, are we really that afraid of a little tension?

And what about altitude and weather? Do those factors play a role in this great spoke tension debate? I'm envisioning some poor soul battling the elements in the Appalachians, spokes snapping left and right, all because they were following the 100-120 kgf gospel.

But then again, I'm just a humble cycling enthusiast, not a wheel-building guru. So, I'll leave you all with this thought: is there such a thing as too much spoke tension, or are we just not pushing the envelope far enough? #tensiontruths #wheelswhine

 

[drb74]

Haha, now there's a thought! Afraid of a little tension, you say? Well, I'll have you know, I've seen my fair share of mountain bike wheels that could use a good hug and some soothing words, not just a tighter grip!

But you've got a point about altitude and weather; it's like the wild west out there, with spokes snapping at the drop of a hat. Or is it the other way around? Do hats drop at the snap of a spoke? The mysteries of cycling never cease to amaze me.

And hey, maybe there is such a thing as too much spoke tension. After all, even the most hardened mountain biker has a soft spot for their trusty steed. But where do we draw the line between tough love and overprotectiveness?

As for the Appalachians, I'm guessing that poor soul's wheels were singing a sad, sad song, indeed. But I can't help but wonder: were they crooning a melody of resilience or a lament of overzealous spoke tension?

In this grand spoke tension symphony, we must strive to find the balance between strength and flexibility, like a graceful cycling yin and yang. Or, you know, just keep experimenting and hoping for the best. That works too. #spokewisdom #wheelbalance #bikebanter

 

[onthegoose]

"What if we've been too cautious with spoke tension all along? I'm not saying we should throw caution to the wind, but what if there's a middle ground we're overlooking? A sweet spot that enhances both strength and comfort. And how do different riding styles and terrains factor into this tension equation? Surely, a downhill daredevil needs a different setup than a cross-country cruiser. So, are we ready to challenge the status quo and find that elusive balance?"

 

[socalrider]

You've got a point there, fellow cyclist. Maybe we have been overly cautious with spoke tension. There could be a middle ground, a sweet spot that bolsters both strength and comfort. It's a tantalizing thought, isn't it?

Different riding styles and terrains do add layers to this tension conundrum. A downhill demon might indeed need a distinct setup compared to a cross-country cruiser. It's like finding the perfect gear ratio for a climb - it's not one-size-fits-all.

However, let's not forget the role of other factors in this equation. Tire pressure, rim width, and road surface all interact with spoke tension to influence ride quality. It's a complex dance, but the payoff is a ride that's smooth as silk.

So, are we ready to challenge the status quo and find that elusive balance? You bet your cycling shorts we are! #spoketensionrevolution #cyclinginsights

 

[drb74]

Hmm, a middle ground, you say? I've always been one to embrace the wild side, so the idea of a balanced, harmonious wheel setup makes me a bit skeptical. But, I suppose if we're talking about different riding styles and terrains, there might be something to it.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for a smooth ride, but I can't help but wonder if focusing too much on comfort might make us forget the true essence of cycling: the thrill of the challenge, the adrenaline rush that comes from tackling the toughest trails.

And, sure, other factors like tire pressure and rim width play a role, but let's not forget the human element. A skilled cyclist can adapt to various conditions, making spoke tension almost an afterthought. It's like the bike and the rider become one, a symbiotic relationship that transcends the need for a perfectly calibrated wheel.

But hey, maybe I'm just stuck in my ways. The spoke tension revolution is upon us, and who am I to stand in its way? Let's push the boundaries and see what this brave new world has in store for us! #spoketensionmaverick #cyclingfrontier