what is iran thinking???

George W. Bush said:

We saw that brutality in a recent attack. Just two weeks ago, terrorists in Baghdad put two children in the back of an explosive-laden car, and they used them to get the car past a security checkpoint. And once through, the terrorists fled the vehicle and detonated the car with the children inside. Some call this civil war; others call it emergency [sic] -- I call it pure evil.

That`s a problem and it`s a very big problem and it will be even a bigger problem tomorrow! We have to fight people who`re doing that! Coallition forces don`t kill innocent civilians. They don`t destroy government buildings (yes, they did in the first month of invasion but they rebuilt it with their own money), mosques, homes of innocent civilians, cargo planes, bridges, and so on. They try very hard to protect all that! Just remember what happened: before 9/11 there were no war and Bush was in office for only 3/4 of a year. Then came 9/11, they went to Afghanistan and fight against Al-Qaeda there. Then they went to Iraq and Al-Qaeda & co. was already there (do you really think they came later?). If not, they came from Syria and Iran (so someone has to support them there or they just don`t try to stop them). That`s a problem with that region and not with a president Bush. Never forget how and when all started. We have to end terrorism as soon as possible. Poor Iraqis are paying "taxes" for a war against terrorism. I can`t say all innocent deaths are worth it but as you can see there is no other choice - because of terrorists!

Bro Deal said:

Fighting against occupation is not only perfectly legal, it is honorable.

Is it perfectly legal to kill innocent civilians which are fellow citizens as well? They killed cca. 3500 coallition forces and half a million (?) of civilians. Both honorable?

cheapie said:

and exactly. even if you're suspicious or outright [censored] about the brits participation in iraq, do you really put more faith in the word of the iranian leader vs the british gvt regarding this matter?

The brits have a recent history of telling outright lies to justify the invasion of Iraq. Bush and his lackey Blair want to attack Iran, and they have shown they are willing to fabricate out of whole cloth a reason for a war. The Iranians don't have anything to gain, the brits do. I would bet my money on the Iranians on this one.

Virenque said:

Coallition forces don`t kill innocent civilians.

Oh, really? Even Bush admits to more than 30K Iraqi deaths. Deaths reported in the media are over 60K. The Iraqis recently placed the totals at 155K. A huge percentage were killed by coalition troops. The brits have been mad as hell from the beginning because the Americans are trigger happy and hteir lack of control has made the environment more dangerous for the brits.

The Americans have killed vast numbers of innocent people. Standard operating procedure seems to be to gun down anyone near an IED when it goes off. U.S. military procedure for securing houses has been to kill all males of military age. When the U.S. destroyed Fallujah, they first kicked out the journalists and secured the hospitals so no news would leak out about the number of people killed like it did when they first attacked the city.

Virenque said:

Just remember what happened: before 9/11 there were no war and Bush was in office for only 3/4 of a year. Then came 9/11, they went to Afghanistan and fight against Al-Qaeda there. Then they went to Iraq and Al-Qaeda & co. was already there (do you really think they came later?).

Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Nothing. Repeat after me: Nothing. Even you imperious leader Bush admits that. The Al Queda allegations were outright lies told by the Bush administration to justify the war.

Virenque said:

We have to end terrorism as soon as possible. Poor Iraqis are paying "taxes" for a war against terrorism. I can`t say all innocent deaths are worth it but as you can see there is no other choice - because of terrorists!

When are you going to end the terrorism of Bush and Blair? They have killed more innocent people than Bin Laden could dream of.

Bro Deal said:

Standard operating procedure seems to be to gun down anyone near an IED when it goes off. U.S. military procedure for securing houses has been to kill all males of military age.

Do you have any sources for this allegation?

Bro Deal said:

Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Nothing. Repeat after me: Nothing. Even you imperious leader Bush admits that. The Al Queda allegations were outright lies told by the Bush administration to justify the war.

So where did Al Qaeda in Iraq came from?
And I have the same question as Colorado Ryder..

Colorado Ryder said:

Do you have any sources for this allegation?

Recent prosecutions of U.S. military tell the story. Testimony has soldiers saying they had orders to kill all military age males when securing buildings and collections of houses. The officers don't deny the orders but argue that they did not apply to people who had surrendered, which is what the soldiers are being prosecuted for. The testimony is full of intersting tidbits like Iraqis being shot through their kitchen doors while they stood in their own homes making breakfast. The U.S. have adopted rules of engagement that value a single U.S. soldier's life over any number of Iraqis, hositle or innocent. This sort of trigger happy murder has fueled the insurgency.

Virenque said:

So where did Al Qaeda in Iraq came from?

Its actual persons came from the outside. The philosophy was no longer held in check when Saddam was removed, so it grew naturally in the people fighting the brutal occupation of their country. Getting rid of Saddam was like removing a cork in a champagne bottle. Stability and securing their rule by eliminating the opposition, like Al-Qaeda in the case of the Middle East, are two of the primary jobs of any dictatorship.

Al-Qaeda is the enemy of the dictatorships of the Middle East. They wanted Saddam gone. The only reason Al-Qaeda is attacking the West is that they determined that in order to get the West to stop propping up arab dictators they had to make the West pay a price for it. If the West stops meddling in muslim affairs, then no more Al-Qaeda problems.

Bro Deal said:

Recent prosecutions of U.S. military tell the story. Testimony has soldiers saying they had orders to kill all military age males when securing buildings and collections of houses. The officers don't deny the orders but argue that they did not apply to people who had surrendered, which is what the soldiers are being prosecuted for. The testimony is full of intersting tidbits like Iraqis being shot through their kitchen doors while they stood in their own homes making breakfast. The U.S. have adopted rules of engagement that value a single U.S. soldier's life over any number of Iraqis, hositle or innocent. This sort of trigger happy murder has fueled the insurgency.

Again what is the source?

Any clear proof?

Testimony in a trial and you accept that as truth?

Bro Deal said:

If the West stops meddling in muslim affairs, then no more Al-Qaeda problems.

Do you really believe that?

Colorado Ryder said:

Again what is the source?

Any clear proof?

Testimony in a trial and you accept that as truth?

Surely you aren't suggesting that US soldiers would lie under oath. Are you?

stevebaby said:

Surely you aren't suggesting that US soldiers would lie under oath. Are you?

Everybody is capable of a lie.

Colorado Ryder said:

Again what is the source?

Try reading something from time to time. I know it's not currently in fashion, but it's amazing how much more informed about the world you will become.

Bro Deal said:

Try reading something from time to time. I know it's not currenly in fashion, but it's amazing how much more informed about the world you will become.

Just point me in the direction where I can find this information. A link would work.

Colorado Ryder said:

Everybody is capable of a lie.

Dubya? Cheney? Rumsfeld?

stevebaby said:

Dubya? Cheney? Rumsfeld?

Everybody is all inclusive. Which means it would include you.

Colorado Ryder said:

Just point me in the direction where I can find this information. A link would work.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13974639/
Troops: Under orders to kill - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

Colorado Ryder said:

Everybody is all inclusive. Which means it would include you.

And of course...you!

stevebaby said:

And of course...you!

That is what all inclusive means.

stevebaby said:

msnbc.msn.com13974639Open ↗
Troops: Under orders to kill - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

Thank you. I guess it was to much trouble for Bro Deal to actually post a link to support his post.