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What Helmet Debate?

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  1. What helmet debate?

    A Google search for helmet* on rec.bicycles.tech shows 10,100 posts.

    But in a real debate, wouldn't both sides bring up (if not beat to death) other safety devices to
    support their positions by analogy?

    I tried a few Google searches of rec.bicycles.tech for helmet* and a few other words to see if
    either side even mentioned other safety mechanisms.

    I gave up fairly soon.

    I found nothing applicable on rec.bicycles.tech for helmet* and a surprising list of safety devices.

    Maybe my search technique could stand improvement, but try it yourself and see if you can find
    any posts that address whether there's any relation between helmets and a few other obvious
    safety devices:

    Trigger-guards? Hilts on knives? Fuses or circuit breakers on electric panels? Bumpers on cars?
    Horns on cars? Steel toe-caps on construction boots? Back-flow preventers on plumbing? Fire
    hydrants on street corners? Deadman chain-saw and lawn-mower throttles? Life-vests for boating?
    Kevlar vests for cops?

    I did find single posts that mentioned smoke detectors and life-jackets in connection with the
    helmet debate.

    I also found three whole posts that mentioned helmets and safety-glass--gosh, talk about really
    thrashing out the safety issue!

    The closest that I came to finding posts with the blinders off was by searching for base* and
    helmet* to see if the most obvious possible parallel was alive (batter* and helmet* come up dry).
    There were a whopping 114 hits, many of which prove to be nothing about what baseball may suggest
    about bicycle helmets. One post out of a thousand thinks that the audience might expect a bicycle
    helmet debate to address batting helmets. Don't expect to take home the debate club trophy.

    Probably I'm missing other obvious safety analogies that have in fact been addressed, but what kind
    of supposedly deeply concerned bicyclists fail to raise so many obvious parallels?

    It can't be that the deck is stacked in favor of one side or the other. If it were, one side would
    be grinding the other side's face in its interpretation of the parallels.

    It can't be that rec.bicycles.tech posters don't care about the issue--10,100 posts!

    Maybe posters are a little inbred on this subject?

    Wouldn't it be more interesting if both sides on the bicycle helmet issue didn't give the impression
    of being locked together in a closet, shut off from the rest of the world?

    I'll step aside now and leave it up to the ten thousand.

    Carl Fogel

  2. "Carl Fogel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    What helmet debate?

    A Google search for helmet* on rec.bicycles.tech shows 10,100 posts.

    But in a real debate, wouldn't both sides bring up (if not beat to death) other safety devices to
    support their positions by analogy?

    Because it's pointless, just like your post. Three things you don't debate: religion, politics
    and helmets.

  3. A fourth topic; what troll mothers don't do often enough. Argument by analogy is weak.

    The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

    "Mark Atanovich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:byIhb.55186$vj2.24333@fed1read06...

    Quoted message said:

    Because it's pointless, just like your post. Three things you don't


    debate:

    Quoted message said:

    religion, politics and helmets.

  4. (Carl Fogel) said:

    But in a real debate, wouldn't both sides bring up (if not beat to death) other safety devices to
    support their positions by analogy?

    Who says it's a real debate?

    Just because we can't stop babbling incoherently at eachother, doesn't mean we should inject such
    things as proper debating into it... <G>

    Quoted message said:

    Trigger-guards? Hilts on knives? Fuses or circuit breakers on electric panels? Bumpers on cars?
    Horns on cars? Steel toe-caps on construction boots? Back-flow preventers on plumbing? Fire
    hydrants on street corners? Deadman chain-saw and lawn-mower throttles? Life-vests for boating?
    Kevlar vests for cops?

    Seatbelts and airbags come up a bit.

    Quoted message said:

    but what kind of supposedly deeply concerned bicyclists fail to raise so many obvious parallels?

    I think we're not that concerned. I'm not. I can't begin to fathom why I spend so much of my time on
    said debates, for that matter.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe posters are a little inbred on this subject?

    Wouldn't it be more interesting if both sides on the bicycle helmet issue didn't give the
    impression of being locked together in a closet, shut off from the rest of the world?

    That's pretty well the way we are. The same goes for bicyclist-motorist relations; we are locked in
    the "persecuted bicyclist" closet.

    Quoted message said:

    Carl Fogel

    Carl, you've been reading my posts too much. Here's how I can tell: You wrap your lines way too
    short. I'm the only person with that habit who posts often here...
    --
    Rick "We must...we must...we must improve our word wrap" Onanian

  5. Mark Atanovich said:

    Because it's pointless, just like your post. Three things you don't debate: religion, politics
    and helmets.

    And lighting.
    --
    Rick "And rubber walrus protectors" Onanian

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