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  1. Just read the article in the November issue of Smart Money which
    described many of the problems both mental and physical that I
    experienced having taken Liptor for 6 years and Pravachol for 6 months.
    The article emphasizes that "Dosage is All," but I'd like to point out
    that for my first 5 years on 10mg of Lipitor I thought that the side
    effects were just part of getting older (I'm 61). It was only when my
    dosage was increased to 20mg of Lipitor that I noticed a marked
    increase in brain events and myopathy. My switch to Pravachol (40mg)
    resulted in a cessation of mental problems but an increase in muscle
    and joint problems. Now that I have been off statins for 6 weeks, I
    have had no migraines, no transient global amnesia, and no muscle pain
    and muscle weakness. It is my opinion that ANY dosage of statins,
    however small, causes potential side effects, and that one has to be
    very, very atuned to one's body and mind to recognize them. In other
    words, if these drugs are wreaking havoc in larger dosages then they
    are doing the same thing, only more subtly in the smallest dosages. In
    a kind of inverse logic, I would recommend that anyone on a statin
    double his/her dosage. Then they would have a much better chance of
    experiencing the strength of these kinds of side effects and thereby
    have an insight into what is really going on at the lower dosages.

    I have not mentioned problems with my memory in this posting because I
    am still experencing them. What I listed above has improved, but my
    memory is still affected by my history of 10mg of Lipitor. My muscle
    pain and weakness are gone, as are my migraines and my transient global
    amnesia (knock wood), but my memory has been measurably impaired, and
    that, I believe, was not dosage dependent. That happened over the 6
    years I took the minimum dosage of 10mg of Lipitor.

    The artice in Smart Money makes a good point that the so-called minimum
    dossage of Lipitor (i.e., 10mg) is a pretty powerful dosage compared
    with minimum dosages for other statins. Perhaps or even probably so,
    but the point remains that, in my opinion, even the smallest dosage of
    a statin is capable of subtle side effects, ones that are hardly
    noticeable (like decrease in memory) and virtually impossible to
    quantify and/or to pursuade your doctor of.

    If you can't bring yourself to ask your doctor to double your dosage,
    (and very few of us could, especially if the numbers look good), then
    simply stop taking your statin for a month and see how you feel. I know
    that I am supposed to say *Ask your doctor if you can stop taking your
    statin for a month*, and if you have that kind of relationship with
    your doctor, please do. But if you don't, just try stopping your statin
    anyway, just for a month. Sure, your numbers will go up, but what you
    are doing for yourself might matter more. You might notice a difference
    in your quality of life. The return of your memory (esp. as far as
    names are concerned) will be apparent to a degree but probably not
    satisfactorily. Or, of course, you can just double your dosage, but who
    among us is that gutsy? The lucky ones are those of us whose doctors
    tell us to double or at least increase our dosage, for we can feel the
    difference. But please remember, in my opinion, and in spite of the
    article in Smart Money, it's not entirely a matter of dosage. What's
    going on is going on: subtly but nonetheless inexorably.

    One more thing: for those of you who are not certain about the muscular
    effects of statins, I have a few anecdotal frames of reference:

    1) In the morning when you first get up, do you have to hold onto the
    banister or to the walls when you go down stairs?

    2) When you go down big stairs like the ones in a stadium do you feel
    that you are basically falling during the last half of your step?

    3)Even though you workout at the health club, do you wonder why your
    muscles always ache when you climb stairs?

    4) Have your aches and pains increased in certain joints?

    5) Do you find yourself making noise when you get up or out of
    something like a car or bed or even a chair?

    Well, for what it's worth, when I was on statins I would have answered
    *yes* to all those questions. Now my answer is *no*.

    Thanks again to Susan Hope, and please buy the November issue of Smart
    Money.

    If responding by email, please remove the xyz.

  2. Thank you John, and well done to you, too!
    Sorry for your pain. I hope you continue to improve and return to normal.

    Your advice is excellent. Thank you for sharing your experience in the hope
    that others won't have to go through what you, my husband, and millions of
    others are experiencing.

    "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Just read the article in the November issue of Smart Money which
    described many of the problems both mental and physical that I
    experienced having taken Liptor for 6 years and Pravachol for 6 months.
    The article emphasizes that "Dosage is All," but I'd like to point out
    that for my first 5 years on 10mg of Lipitor I thought that the side
    effects were just part of getting older (I'm 61). It was only when my
    dosage was increased to 20mg of Lipitor that I noticed a marked
    increase in brain events and myopathy. My switch to Pravachol (40mg)
    resulted in a cessation of mental problems but an increase in muscle
    and joint problems. Now that I have been off statins for 6 weeks, I
    have had no migraines, no transient global amnesia, and no muscle pain
    and muscle weakness. It is my opinion that ANY dosage of statins,
    however small, causes potential side effects, and that one has to be
    very, very atuned to one's body and mind to recognize them. In other
    words, if these drugs are wreaking havoc in larger dosages then they
    are doing the same thing, only more subtly in the smallest dosages. In
    a kind of inverse logic, I would recommend that anyone on a statin
    double his/her dosage. Then they would have a much better chance of
    experiencing the strength of these kinds of side effects and thereby
    have an insight into what is really going on at the lower dosages.

    I have not mentioned problems with my memory in this posting because I
    am still experencing them. What I listed above has improved, but my
    memory is still affected by my history of 10mg of Lipitor. My muscle
    pain and weakness are gone, as are my migraines and my transient global
    amnesia (knock wood), but my memory has been measurably impaired, and
    that, I believe, was not dosage dependent. That happened over the 6
    years I took the minimum dosage of 10mg of Lipitor.

    The artice in Smart Money makes a good point that the so-called minimum
    dossage of Lipitor (i.e., 10mg) is a pretty powerful dosage compared
    with minimum dosages for other statins. Perhaps or even probably so,
    but the point remains that, in my opinion, even the smallest dosage of
    a statin is capable of subtle side effects, ones that are hardly
    noticeable (like decrease in memory) and virtually impossible to
    quantify and/or to pursuade your doctor of.

    If you can't bring yourself to ask your doctor to double your dosage,
    (and very few of us could, especially if the numbers look good), then
    simply stop taking your statin for a month and see how you feel. I know
    that I am supposed to say *Ask your doctor if you can stop taking your
    statin for a month*, and if you have that kind of relationship with
    your doctor, please do. But if you don't, just try stopping your statin
    anyway, just for a month. Sure, your numbers will go up, but what you
    are doing for yourself might matter more. You might notice a difference
    in your quality of life. The return of your memory (esp. as far as
    names are concerned) will be apparent to a degree but probably not
    satisfactorily. Or, of course, you can just double your dosage, but who
    among us is that gutsy? The lucky ones are those of us whose doctors
    tell us to double or at least increase our dosage, for we can feel the
    difference. But please remember, in my opinion, and in spite of the
    article in Smart Money, it's not entirely a matter of dosage. What's
    going on is going on: subtly but nonetheless inexorably.

    One more thing: for those of you who are not certain about the muscular
    effects of statins, I have a few anecdotal frames of reference:

    1) In the morning when you first get up, do you have to hold onto the
    banister or to the walls when you go down stairs?

    2) When you go down big stairs like the ones in a stadium do you feel
    that you are basically falling during the last half of your step?

    3)Even though you workout at the health club, do you wonder why your
    muscles always ache when you climb stairs?

    4) Have your aches and pains increased in certain joints?

    5) Do you find yourself making noise when you get up or out of
    something like a car or bed or even a chair?

    Well, for what it's worth, when I was on statins I would have answered
    *yes* to all those questions. Now my answer is *no*.

    Thanks again to Susan Hope, and please buy the November issue of Smart
    Money.

    If responding by email, please remove the xyz.

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