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  1. I'm hoping someone can give me some answers or shed some
    light on this for me.

    I'm an epileptic, have not had a grand mal seizure in 3
    years, switched to the current meds that I am taking 2 and a
    half years ago.

    I've always had these weird moments where my vision goes
    funny - like I'm completely detached from myself, like I'm
    watching my world on video. They last no longer than 10
    seconds, but when they happen I can't move or gauge where
    things are in relation to me. Nothing feels right.

    These little episodes used to happen every couple of months
    or so, but for the last year they have been happening at
    least once a day, sometimes two or three times a day.

    It can happen anywhere - sitting down, walking down the
    street, but mostly when going down stairs.

    Any ideas? Thanks

  2. whitney said:

    I've always had these weird moments where my vision goes
    funny - like I'm completely detached from myself, like I'm
    watching my world on video. They last no longer than 10
    seconds, but when they happen I can't move or gauge where
    things are in relation to me. Nothing feels right.

    My first inclination was that you are speaking of
    dissociation. Here's a quick link that came up when
    searching for the term:

    panicanxietydisorder.org.au7 Dissociation%20sy
    mptoms.htm

    Whether or not it is in fact dissociation I don't know, but
    that is the word I've used to describe my experiences.

    I think I know the feeling of which you speak. I've felt it
    in varying degrees. For instance, sometimes I've felt the
    sensation of my perspective shooting into space, occurring
    in under 2 seconds, then pausing in space for a brief moment
    where I can feel my body wayyyyyy down somewhere as if I
    were in space looking down on it, then I get sucked back in.
    But lately it has been like you described.

    It seems to always begin with vision shifting. It's not like
    things change color or anything weird like that, it's more
    like the way you are interpreting the visual information
    you're receiving changes perspectives. The picture usually
    offsets very slightly for me, not quite blurry, but sort've
    like the two pictures from the eyes just kind of shift or
    fuzz, or maybe it even becomes sharper than normal, I'm not
    sure how to describe it. Then the consciousness shifts and
    it no longer looks like you are just looking at things. It
    suddenly feels like you are looking at the way you are
    looking at things. What I mean is, you are no longer looking
    at a scene through your eyes, and using that information to
    make it feel like you are in a body. You suddenly kind of
    detach and don't feel like you are in a body.

    About not moving or being able to figure out things in
    relation to you, I usually just ride it out and that returns
    very quickly. But when it occurs in a social setting, such
    as if I'm seated at a formal dinner party and am in the
    middle of a conversation with someone, then it can become
    distressing. I have to attempt to maintain my normal
    interaction, while I kind of depart the body that is having
    the conversation. This can cause me a little scare, and a
    very short moment of panic inside my mind, but then I ride
    it out, return to my normal perspective and continue like
    nothing occurred.

    Whether or not the specific thing I am talking about is what
    you've experienced I don't know. But I think that it is all
    related, and is all due to a momentary altered
    consciousness. I'm doing informal research into the subject
    and have done much experimentation. One thing I can tell you
    is that it can be scary as hell, but you always seem to
    return back to what we consider normal consciousness.
    Similar states of consciousness to that of which you
    described can be felt during the transition to and from
    sleep, as well as during a vivid dream. While not everyone
    has episodes of this occurring during the day, everyone does
    detach from their normal perspective when they go to sleep,
    so it is something everyone is capable of. You can think of
    it as a type of dream or sleep state, that takes place
    during the day.

    One thing that raises my curiosity though is the fact that
    you have epilepsy. I'm wondering if the increased frequency
    of your episodes is due to the medication you are taking for
    the epilepsy, or the epilepsy itself.

    It's an interesting connection since I've done
    experimentation with using flashing lights to aid in the
    alteration of consciousness, something that might induce a
    seizure in a photosensitive epileptic person.

    I don't believe that there is much of a physical danger
    involved with experiencing such altered states of
    consciousness. I might change my mind on that, but I don't
    have any solid evidence yet. Just relax when you it occurs,
    and enjoy the odd nature of the experience.

    If it turns out that I'm wrong and you're experiencing
    something specific to epilepsy or the medications you're on
    then please update me with the info you learn. I'd very
    interested to find out what is going on in your case. I'm
    also curious about details of your mental health. Are you
    overly stressed?

    -

    This stuff must sound like insanity to some people, or some
    kind of brain defect. If someone reading this has never
    experienced such states of consciousness, where you become
    detached from your normal perspective, then I have an
    experiment for you to try. You should probably do this when
    no one else is home, or else you might look pretty silly. 🙂

    Position yourself in front of a large mirror at a distance
    where you can see your full face and at least parts of your
    shoulders. It should be a comfortable distance as if you
    were standing in front of someone else.

    Normally when you view yourself in the mirror you will look
    at it from the perspective that you are looking at your own
    reflection. This is the normal state of consciousness. But
    you can alter this perspective.

    Stare at your reflection, instead of looking at the eyes,
    look into them. Continue staring until you forget that you
    are looking at a mirror. Then pretend that you are actually
    standing in front of another person. Begin talking, or
    singing, or whatever you want. Continue doing this without
    thought, so that you kind of enter a state where you don't
    feel connected to the words you are speaking. Singing works
    best since you can sing a memorized song and do it without
    conscious attention, it will happen automatically.

    Now that you're detached from your words, and staring at
    someone else in the mirror, your perspective suddenly shifts
    out of your body. This is a similar feeling to what I was
    describing and what I believe Whitney was experiencing. If
    this doesn't work during the day time, then do it late at
    night, a little bit after your normal time of going to
    sleep. This will make it much easier to change your
    consciousness. If you become scared by the feeling of
    leaving your body and no longer being connected to the image
    of your personal identity, then don't worry, you can stop
    the experiment at any time. Just look away from the mirror,
    regain focus on the normal perspective, and you'll instantly
    return to your normal first-person waking consciousness.

    If you are successful in intentionally experiencing
    dissociation then it should be some indication to the fact
    that it is a normal function of every human. Some people
    just experience it more often than others, due to many
    factors such as drugs, stress, etc. I suppose for people who
    are afraid to face painful situations they might use it as
    an escape mechanism much as cutters use pain to numb
    themselves.

  3. My first thought is that you should stay out of rush hour
    traffic. But that's a moot point, you likely don't drive.

    Might have to give up playing the violin?

    The "going down stairs" is the interesting thought. Perhaps
    you have a circulation problem that isn't supplying oxy to
    your brain? Of course, I'm not a medical person. Just a
    commoner with a keyboard. If you have a choice of believe me
    or the doctor, I'd put my wager that the doctor is right.

    --

    Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org
    www.mormons.com

    "whitney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]... I'm
    hoping someone can give me some answers or shed some light
    on this for me.

    I'm an epileptic, have not had a grand mal seizure in 3
    years, switched to the current meds that I am taking 2 and a
    half years ago.

    I've always had these weird moments where my vision goes
    funny - like I'm completely detached from myself, like I'm
    watching my world on video. They last no longer than 10
    seconds, but when they happen I can't move or gauge where
    things are in relation to me. Nothing feels right.

    These little episodes used to happen every couple of months
    or so, but for the last year they have been happening at
    least once a day, sometimes two or three times a day.

    It can happen anywhere - sitting down, walking down the
    street, but mostly when going down stairs.

    Any ideas? Thanks

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