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Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]> wrote

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Peeing dark brown urine is hardly an ill effect.

Unless it's caused by blood.
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"Simon Caldwell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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KRO said:

You can tell by the colour of your (cough) urine

you really should see someone about that, anything more than a bit of
phlegm is a cause for concern...

Oh dear, got you now :-)

KRO

Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Darren G said:

rather not - all the ones I've seen are pretty heavy.

But if you're carrying an extra 2 litres of water that's an extra 2 Kg
for a lot of the day. I've never seen a portable backpacking filter
that weighs that much.

Ahhh, but how about powdered water?

Just add water!

Seriously I don't think it is really necessary to carry 2L of water around,
the most I've taken is 1 and a half (1 litre fruit juice, half litre flask
with hot drink) Even then I didn't drink it all.

What I try to do is make sure I drink plenty at breakfast, and again when I
return from the walk - that way I don't seem to need to drink as much
throughout the day.

regards

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Brian said:

Seriously I don't think it is really necessary to carry 2L of water around,

Quite agree, but the OP is sometimes taking 4, so in that case a filter
may represent a saving if the reason to carry so much is a distrust of
the supply on the hill.

Only time I'll fill a 2 litre plat is if it's (a) very hot and (b) I'm
away from resupply for a fair bit of time. A long crossing in the sea
kayak or a long ridge, for example. I did carry about 3l in the Grand
Canyon and we filtered the resupplies, but that is a desert!

Pete.
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:12:07 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Chris

Malcolm) said:

I think the problem is that in evolutionary terms doctors have only
recently been invented, and people can't cope with medical
advice. Just look at what happened, for example, when doctors started
telling women what to feed babies with, how often, how to give birth,
etc..

Indeed. Perhaps the most remarkable observation about that phenomenon is
that women took it. I can't get a woman to agree with anything I suggest...

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Simon Caldwell said:

John Laird said:

A fluid intake of 2-3 pints is not that hard to achieve, assuming you count
the water content of most food too. However, to say that most people are
dehydrated most of the time is frankly ridiculous, and we have been round
this argument before (started with the 8 glasses a day last time, iirc).
Millions of years of evolution are not likely to have resulted in an animal
that drinks when it is thirsty, doesn't when it isn't, and yet is somehow
dehydrated. Only athletes need to plan ahead and compensate for extreme
exertion. The rest of us need only drink when we feel the need.

I can't argue with any of that, I was just repeating what I was told
by someone I'd expect to know.

Pinch of salt time ?

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Though millions of years of evolution have certainly led to an animal
that voluntarily dehydrates itself by use of alcohol ;-)

Well, if the effect was immediate I suspect we would have learnt our lesson.

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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 16:40:58 +0100, John Laird
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Indeed. Perhaps the most remarkable observation about that phenomenon is
that women took it. I can't get a woman to agree with anything I suggest...

Oh, I dunno... I think that's a bit harsh!

;-)

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John Laird said:

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Guitar, eh?? What sort of guitar(s)?

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Best ask the compiler of my random sig file collection, not me ;-)

Ah, well...

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John Laird said:

A fluid intake of 2-3 pints is not that hard to achieve, assuming you count
the water content of most food too. However, to say that most people are
dehydrated most of the time is frankly ridiculous, and we have been round
this argument before (started with the 8 glasses a day last time, iirc).
Millions of years of evolution are not likely to have resulted in an animal
that drinks when it is thirsty, doesn't when it isn't, and yet is somehow
dehydrated. Only athletes need to plan ahead and compensate for extreme
exertion. The rest of us need only drink when we feel the need.

But there's surely a difference between 'needing' water & benefiting in
a measurable way (in terms of health, concentration or whatever) from
drinking more water?

Bernie

Chris Malcolm said:

Exactly. Carry more water, sweat more, drink more, empty all bottles
during walk, read a magazine article about dehydration causing brain
damage, carry more water next time, sweat even more, etc..

I used to take a kid on hill walks who felt the same way about
chocolate. If he managed to finish his supply on a walk, that meant he
might be risking chocolate deficiency, so he'd bring more on the next
walk. He thought that sore legs and shortness of breath were a sign of
chocolate deficiency, and sure enough, every time he sat down and ate
a bar of chocolate his legs felt better and he stopped panting.

I doubt anyone ever died, or even felt slightly ill, from lack of chocolate.

Bernie

Bernie Hughes said:

I doubt anyone ever died, or even felt slightly ill, from lack of chocolate.

Hm? You must be male.

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Bernie Hughes said:

I doubt anyone ever died, or even felt slightly ill, from lack of chocolate.

Hm? You must be male.

From a vague recollection of a book I vaguely recall reading:

"Chocolate stores well, and can be kept for periods of up to ten minutes in a
locked refrigerator, provided there are no women or children in the house."
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Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen

I tend to spend a lot of time on lower ground and in the glens so as
long as I have something to transpoort the water from the burn to lips
I am usually happy.

In hot dry places I never seem to carry enough and love the
convenience of those 2 litre PET bottles...

Richard Webb

Darren G said:

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I take a 1 litre water bottle, which I refill from streams. If in
very dry terrain where this isn't possible I'll carry a 2l platypus in
addition, eg Cuillin Ridge, Sahara Desert ;-)

what's your criteria for a 'clean' stream? do you purify it?

It's probably due to several years working in the water industry analysing
the levels of anamial by-products, bacteria and pesticides present in water
(and that's drinking water), but I tend to be a little hesitant about
filling up from streams

Well taps are rare in most glens (clearances you know) and its bloody
nice water.... After 25 years I am due a lurgy - so I am up on the
game now...

After 16 years of poisoned tap water in the English Midlands, I prefer
to take my chance with the burns...

Richard Webb

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 23:28:18 GMT, [email hidden] (RJ Webb)
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| I tend to spend a lot of time on lower ground and in the glens so as
| long as I have something to transpoort the water from the burn to lips
| I am usually happy.
|
| In hot dry places I never seem to carry enough and love the
| convenience of those 2 litre PET bottles...

Remember that in WWII soldiers in the northern parts Sahara desert survived
on one pint of water per day.

Dave F

Dave Fawthrop said:

Remember that in WWII soldiers in the northern parts Sahara desert survived
on one pint of water per day.

I doubt they enjoyed the experience very much.

In any case, what you can 'survive' on is hardly relevant. The aim is to
enjoy the walk surely? How many people set out for a day on the hill
with the sole intention of surviving?

Bernie

Judith said:

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I doubt anyone ever died, or even felt slightly ill, from lack of chocolate.

Hm? You must be male.

Admittedly. Nor do I have a sweet tooth; it's always difficult to
understand addiction from the outside :-)

Bernie

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 09:12:35 +0100, Bernie Hughes
<[email hidden]> wrote:

| Dave Fawthrop wrote:
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| > Remember that in WWII soldiers in the northern parts Sahara desert survived
| > on one pint of water per day.
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| I doubt they enjoyed the experience very much.
|
| In any case, what you can 'survive' on is hardly relevant. The aim is to
| enjoy the walk surely? How many people set out for a day on the hill
| with the sole intention of surviving?

I do not like carrying heavy stuff, like 2 litres of water on my back when
I can comfortably walk all day in the UK on a fraction of that.

Dave F

John Laird <[email hidden]> wrote

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I can't get a woman to agree with anything I suggest...

I find that a couple of drinks whilst watching a romantic comedy
together usually makes any suggestions unnecessary.....
;-)
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"Chris Malcolm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Bernie Hughes said:

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A fluid intake of 2-3 pints is not that hard to achieve, assuming you

count

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the water content of most food too. However, to say that most people

are

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dehydrated most of the time is frankly ridiculous, and we have been

round

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this argument before (started with the 8 glasses a day last time,

iirc).

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Millions of years of evolution are not likely to have resulted in an

animal

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that drinks when it is thirsty, doesn't when it isn't, and yet is

somehow

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dehydrated. Only athletes need to plan ahead and compensate for

extreme

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exertion. The rest of us need only drink when we feel the need.

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But there's surely a difference between 'needing' water & benefiting in
a measurable way (in terms of health, concentration or whatever) from
drinking more water?

Well, if there is, why hasn't evolution, which is very good at that
kind of thing, found these benefits and adjusted our thirst machinery?
Water isn't something recently invented by the food industry which
evolution hasn't had enough time to adapt to.

On the other hand, being able to persuade people they need to buy and
drink as much expensively bottled water as they can glug down must be
a businessman's fantasy come true!

Bottled water is one of the biggest rip offs there is. What's wrong with tap
water?

Adam

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