Urgent: Do the Time Out Survey

[Tony Raven]

Do the survey before it closes today. I know it sounds like a platform
for the usual lycra lout rant but lots of cyclists replying could easily
give them a result they didn't expect - especially as the survey has
been off-line for several days. So do it now!!
http://www.timeout.com/competition/cyclingsurvey


--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

 

[Simon Bennett]

Tony Raven wrote:
> Do the survey before it closes today. I know it sounds like a
> platform for the usual lycra lout rant but lots of cyclists replying
> could easily give them a result they didn't expect - especially as
> the survey has been off-line for several days. So do it now!!
> http://www.timeout.com/competition/cyclingsurvey

Already done it. You might want to notify the C+ forum for more strength in
numbers.

 

[Tony Raven]

Simon Bennett wrote on 14/07/2006 13:21 +0100:
> Tony Raven wrote:
>> Do the survey before it closes today. I know it sounds like a
>> platform for the usual lycra lout rant but lots of cyclists replying
>> could easily give them a result they didn't expect - especially as
>> the survey has been off-line for several days. So do it now!!
>> http://www.timeout.com/competition/cyclingsurvey
>
> Already done it. You might want to notify the C+ forum for more strength in
> numbers.
>

I'm not a member so can't post but if anyone is and can.....


--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

 

[Bryan]

Simon Bennett wrote on 14/07/2006 13:21 +0100:
> Tony Raven wrote:
>> Do the survey before it closes today. I know it sounds like a
>> platform for the usual lycra lout rant but lots of cyclists replying
>> could easily give them a result they didn't expect - especially as
>> the survey has been off-line for several days. So do it now!!
>> http://www.timeout.com/competition/cyclingsurvey
>
> Already done it. You might want to notify the C+ forum for more strength in
> numbers.
>

I'm not a member so can't post but if anyone is and can.....


--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

Posted in the campaign section (wasn't too sure where to post it).

Bryan

 

[Jim Price]

Tony Raven wrote:
> Do the survey before it closes today.

> So do it now!!

But I don't live in London!

--

JimP

" " - John Cage

 

[Tony Raven]

Jim Price wrote on 14/07/2006 23:14 +0100:
> Tony Raven wrote:
>> Do the survey before it closes today.
>
>> So do it now!!
>
> But I don't live in London!
>

Neither do I. Still filled it in.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

 

[Danny Colyer]

Jim Price wrote on 14/07/2006 23:14 +0100:
>>But I don't live in London!

and Tony Raven responded:
> Neither do I. Still filled it in.

I got as far as "Whereabouts in London do you work" and went no further.

--
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[Tony Raven]

Danny Colyer wrote on 15/07/2006 09:34 +0100:
> Jim Price wrote on 14/07/2006 23:14 +0100:
>>> But I don't live in London!
>
> and Tony Raven responded:
>> Neither do I. Still filled it in.
>
> I got as far as "Whereabouts in London do you work" and went no further.
>

You are an honest man Mr Colyer.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

 

[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>, Tony Raven
('[email protected]') wrote:

> Danny Colyer wrote on 15/07/2006 09:34 +0100:
>> Jim Price wrote on 14/07/2006 23:14 +0100:
>>>> But I don't live in London!
>>
>> and Tony Raven responded:
>>> Neither do I. Still filled it in.
>>
>> I got as far as "Whereabouts in London do you work" and went no
>> further.
>
> You are an honest man Mr Colyer.

In that case, I am, too, because I had the same reaction.

--
[email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; All in all you're just another hick in the mall
-- Drink C'lloid

 

[Tony Raven]

Simon Brooke wrote on 15/07/2006 12:25 +0100:
>>> I got as far as "Whereabouts in London do you work" and went no
>>> further.
>> You are an honest man Mr Colyer.
>
> In that case, I am, too, because I had the same reaction.
>

So you never cycle in London which is how I justify it. The fact that I
don't work there should not stop me contributing to a cycling survey if
I cycle there (at least twice a week and four times this week)

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

 

[Jim Price]

Tony Raven wrote:
> Simon Brooke wrote on 15/07/2006 12:25 +0100:
>>>> I got as far as "Whereabouts in London do you work" and went no
>>>> further.
>>> You are an honest man Mr Colyer.
>>
>> In that case, I am, too, because I had the same reaction.
>>
>
> So you never cycle in London which is how I justify it. The fact that I
> don't work there should not stop me contributing to a cycling survey if
> I cycle there (at least twice a week and four times this week)
>
One of the things I hated about London was being asked to participate in
surveys. The Golgafrinchans use the results to make what you want cost
you more.

--

JimP

" " - John Cage

 

[Alan Braggins]

In article <[email protected]>, Tony Raven wrote:
>Simon Brooke wrote on 15/07/2006 12:25 +0100:
>>>> I got as far as "Whereabouts in London do you work" and went no
>>>> further.
>>> You are an honest man Mr Colyer.
>>
>> In that case, I am, too, because I had the same reaction.
>
>So you never cycle in London which is how I justify it. The fact that I
>don't work there should not stop me contributing to a cycling survey if
>I cycle there (at least twice a week and four times this week)

And not because you have to go to London for work? Oh well, takes all sorts.
(I looked at it, thought "I don't work/live/cycle in London", and closed it.)

 

[Ambrose Nankivell]

Simon Brooke wrote:
> in message <[email protected]>, Tony Raven
> ('[email protected]') wrote:
>
>> Danny Colyer wrote on 15/07/2006 09:34 +0100:
>>> Jim Price wrote on 14/07/2006 23:14 +0100:
>>>>> But I don't live in London!
>>>
>>> and Tony Raven responded:
>>>> Neither do I. Still filled it in.
>>>
>>> I got as far as "Whereabouts in London do you work" and went no
>>> further.
>>
>> You are an honest man Mr Colyer.
>
> In that case, I am, too, because I had the same reaction.

I left that bit blank and filled the rest in. I find myself on a bike in
London for 2 or 3 hours a year, which I suspect is above the mean for
Londoners, and definitely above the median, so I feel justified in writing.

A

 

[Danny Colyer]

Tony Raven wrote:
> So you never cycle in London which is how I justify it. The fact that I
> don't work there should not stop me contributing to a cycling survey if
> I cycle there (at least twice a week and four times this week)

Last time I visited London was 5 years ago, test riding recumbents.
Last time I cycled there other than test riding recumbents was 2 or 3
years before that, and I've only cycled in London 2 or 3 times.
Probably best that I didn't continue, then.

--
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[Tony Raven]

Danny Colyer wrote on 16/07/2006 00:30 +0100:
> Tony Raven wrote:
>> So you never cycle in London which is how I justify it. The fact that
>> I don't work there should not stop me contributing to a cycling survey
>> if I cycle there (at least twice a week and four times this week)
>
> Last time I visited London was 5 years ago, test riding recumbents. Last
> time I cycled there other than test riding recumbents was 2 or 3 years
> before that, and I've only cycled in London 2 or 3 times. Probably best
> that I didn't continue, then.
>

I filled it in primarily to try to subvert the obvious attempt to get a
news story that says "Our survey says that cyclists are homicidal
pavement cycling red light jumping law disregarding lycra louts" which
seemed to be the thrust of the questions.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

 

[congokid]

In article <[email protected]>, Tony Raven
<[email protected]> writes

>I filled it in primarily to try to subvert the obvious attempt to get a
>news story that says "Our survey says that cyclists are homicidal
>pavement cycling red light jumping law disregarding lycra louts" which
>seemed to be the thrust of the questions.

I doubt though that many of those who cycle on pavements, jump red
lights or otherwise disregard the law would have admitted the fact.

I completed it but wasn't comfortable with the general trend of the
questionnaire.

--
congokid
Eating out in London? Read my tips...
http://congokid.com

 

[Tony Raven]

congokid wrote on 16/07/2006 13:27 +0100:
> In article <[email protected]>, Tony Raven
> <[email protected]> writes
>
>> I filled it in primarily to try to subvert the obvious attempt to get
>> a news story that says "Our survey says that cyclists are homicidal
>> pavement cycling red light jumping law disregarding lycra louts"
>> which seemed to be the thrust of the questions.
>
> I doubt though that many of those who cycle on pavements, jump red
> lights or otherwise disregard the law would have admitted the fact.
>
> I completed it but wasn't comfortable with the general trend of the
> questionnaire.
>

But it was mainly aimed at motorists and pedestrians from the questions
posed and it was to counterbalance them, not other cyclists......never
mind its closed now.

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

 

[grannyhalfstep]

In stitches at Tony Raven. Well done Tony - anyone who makes marketers
tear their hair out by skewing their skewed 'surveys', gets my
congratulations. Whenever surveyed by such sharks, online, in the
street, or on paper, I lie automatically, convincingly and proudly.
Whoever composed their survey had not the slightest intention of coming
to representative conclusions on cycling in London, so it would be
positively naive to be honest when filling it in. In my experience they
may well add a random 'correction' to make up for the fact that the
responses don't match what the marketing department/journalist is
promoting/assuming.The resulting article is bound to be more than
irritating.

For those who usenet via google groups and missed the other Time Out
survey thread - see my comments on their reasoning
here:http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.cycling/msg/2ac8e87699424dac?hl=en&
'View entire thread' clickable.

Hopefully, some cyclist from the ngp or elsewhere has added to their
self-induced despair by emailing them to complain about the slant of
the survey and (most importantly), promising never to buy Time Out
again. Marketers estimate that 'for one person who bothers to write in,
1000* are of the same opinion'.

*Random big-numberism


>>>> But I don't live in London!

>> and Tony Raven responded:
>>> Neither do I. Still filled it in.